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Was this the Shane Wright plan? Or just what ended up happening with him? I remember a lot of criticism of how Seattle was handling Shane Wright earlier in the season. I hope if we do this we are upfront with Dumais about it.
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Was this the Shane Wright plan? Or just what ended up happening with him? I remember a lot of criticism of how Seattle was handling Shane Wright earlier in the season. I hope if we do this we are upfront with Dumais about it.
You can only accomplish so much in practice. I think going back to the Q is just fine. The AHL is ideal but not possible for more than a taste, the Europe idea some wish was possible is overrated, the thought of showing him what to improve on while getting an NHL look and sending him back to junior doesnt accomplish too much because he wont find himself in the direct situations to improve on things like less time and space. I dont think he'll be over rippened and I dont think even a bit it would be a wasted year of development
I think it was good for Shane Wright. He added a pro battle level and looked much better when he went off to Juniors. I think people tend to get overly worried anytime a young player isn't in the lineup. A guy playing 60 games instead of 75 might actually be better off.
You could also condense the approach and send Dumais down to junior in November, immediately after the conditioning loan.
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One major difference between Dumais and Wright was that Wright never dominated Juniors before being drafted 4th overall (he was 27th in goals and 8th in points last season in the OHL). Pronman said from the time before Wright was drafted that he would benefit from going back to Juniors for one more season being given the opportunity to just dominate the league before making the jump to the NHL.
On the contrary, I think it it is safe to say that Dumais (2nd in goals and tops by far in points) has dominated The Q this season. To quote Johnny Football, Dumais has wrecked the league this year.
Exactly. I think the case for getting Dumais a taste of pro style hockey is better than the case for Wright was.
Could Dumais play for another team/division in juniors, wasn't that one of the complaints that a lot of his points have come against 'easier' teams because of the division stuff? I do remember reading somewhere that the Canadian junior teams are essentially fighting for themselves and are a league in their own right so maybe they don't like the idea of trading players, but playing in a tougher division would sound like an easy solution otherwise...
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I’m hoping they get swept, then he can play for CLE on an AHL contract (I think).
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I am not 100% sure where you are going with your question but if I understand correctly I think the suggestion that one Junior league is tougher or easier than the others is a bunch of hooey. There are three top level Canadian Junior leagues: QMJHL, OHL and WHL. They are set geographically and I believe what province (or state) a player is from dictates which league they will play in. Dumais is from Montreal, he was always going to play in The Q. Trades happen all the time within the leagues but I don't recall there being trades from league to league.
That said, I think decades ago The Q had a reputation for being high scoring with no defense. I think over the last couple decades that has proven to be false. No league is necessarily better than any of the others. Last year was an exceptional year for the WHL in the first round (six players drafted) but go back another year and the WHL had 4 first rounders, The Q had 4 first rounders and the OHL had just 1 first rounder.
Perhaps this is just my opinion but Dumais jumping to the OHL or WHL wouldn't necessarily accelerate his development any more than staying in The Q. Playing with and against 16-20 year olds is still playing with and against 16-20 year olds. I think what he needs is to play against more experienced - more physically developed players which he cannot do staying in any Canadian Juniors league. But it doesn't matter, the CBJ might not wanna send him overseas, he might not wanna play overseas and his Q team might not be willing to let him play overseas. So the point appears to be moot based on what someone said above (once a player plays in the Canadian Juniors they are apparently owned by that organization until they turn twenty or they are good enough for the NHL or their Junior team doesn't want them anymore). Seems too restrictive to me.
I meant within the Q. There's been talk earlier about the divisions being tougher/easier (i.e. West or East division being tougher than the Maritimes, from a quick glance). But I guess your arguments still apply, it's still the same age group. And there's probably power shifts year-on-year anyway,
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It was an interesting to see Kraken pull that one out for Wright. The experience vs icetime debate is a hard one to solve, but another positive I see in the Wright path, is that it would allow Dumais to spend heavier hours with CBJ physical trainers.
Still, I have hard time seeing Jarmo doing the that for someone who doesnt come in with similar draft status to Wright.
Yeah it's unlikely that they'd use a roster spot that way, and most likely Dumais isn't ready for even a brief stay. This is just a hypothetical in case he has a remarkably compelling pre-season.
I'd agree that skills training and physical training are more important than extra games played for a kid like Dumais.
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The Maritimes division this season is the weakest in the CHL. It played a part in his points total. He probably would have finished at the top playing in any division but maybe not at 140. Last year the Maritimes division was the strongest in the Q and he did great anyway. Next year the Maritimes should be stronger, especially Moncton and Cape Breton. It was really a down year.
Against the Maritimes : 39 goals and 70 assists in 44 games, +47
Against the East : 3 goals and 3 assists in 6 games, -4
Against Central : 8 goals and 9 assists in 8 games, +6
Against the West : 4 goals and 4 assists in 6 games, +5
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Thanks for the breakdown. I personally am not of the mind that he's a slam dunk for NHL production. I am still shellshocked from Vitaly Abramov and continue to watch Drouin score like Gilbert Brule in the NHL. Eric Robinson has as many goals this year as Drouin has combined in his last 129 games over the last three seasons. That said, still think Dumais has proven what he can in the CHL and needs a step up in competition.
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From Czech's WC Team thread on the tournament board:
According to this article, which is about czech GM Martin Havlat and his negotiations with czech players from America. None player said definite no to WCH (not even Hertl) and it looks like all playes want to play and even young players are being considered (specifically he mentions Svozil and D. Špaček). But time will tell more he is in touch with all of them
Posily na MS ze zámoří? Máme pozitivní reakce, hlásí Havlát. Kouká i na juniory - iDNES.cz
Blíží se mistrovství světa i konec základní části hokejové NHL. Některé týmy už se rozloučily s nadějí na postup do play off, proto začínají krystalizovat první potenciální posily pro národní tým. Generální manažer Martin Havlát hlásí pozitivní zpětné vazby, reprezentaci zatím nikdo neodmítl.www.idnes.cz
There's def no guarantee that anyone from that list does anything, but it's a helluva outlook for the future of the team.Even this list has shiny new toy syndrome
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That’s a great play/goal thanks for posting.
Around the CHL, Dumais had a nice pass to help Halifax get the game to OT, where they won 4-3
DBB had a nice goal in a blowout win (yesterday)
That's a nice comeback after Ivan Ivan Ivan Ivan Ivan Ivan.
(Ivan Ivan scored a hat trick to lead off the game).
