Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI

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the issue with milano/duclair (and roslovic as well) is that they are physically talented enough (athleticism, hand/eye, skill) to be well-above average NHL players, but lacked the hockey IQ, and compete level/work ethic.

foudy is similar in that he has the athleticism to be an NHL player (above average skating) and his hockey IQ leaves something to be desired. but where those guys have above average skill and sub-NHL compete, foudy has above average compete and sub-NHL skill.


i don't even know if 'handling' has anything to do with it.

D+1 year: significant uptick in production for london, with a 28-40–68 line and +41 in 45 games played. plays 10 'playoff' games in the bubble, largely holds his own

D+2 year: COVID hits, CHL cancels season, AHL season gets significantly shortened. foudy puts up a 0-4-4 line in 24 reg season games, then a 3-13–16 line in 12 AHL games (edited/corrected)

D+3 year: too old to go back to the OHL. puts up 19 points in 29 AHL games, gets promoted to taxi squad, plays one game, gets sent back down, then a few games later gets hurt again and misses the rest of the season

D+4 year: makes the team despite spending camp injured, likely due to being waiver-eligible. struggles in a bottom six role on a team where everyone is struggling.

not saying he was destined for stardom or anything but it seems like bad luck more than anything.
Idk, when I watched him in London I never thought he looked like a top 2 player on his team. Evangelista, Thomas and McMichael stuck out more (for forwards, Bouchard the most overall).

Scoring wise, for a first round pick in the CHL, his production was not very impressive.

If people were/are counting on anything more than a bottom 6 energy guy, I wouldn’t hold your breath. At this point I’m not even sure he has the skill to make it on a 3rd line. Cliff Pu even had some good seasons there :laugh:

His development was definitely impacted by Covid though.
 
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Perhaps I am being a bit "insensitive". But I have not heard one word about him wanting to come back. What I have heard is Jarmo asking him if he wants to come back. It would b e nice if he openly declared he wants to get back to the Jackets. He has not done so. So, as I said, he should be treated as a "bonus" if he returns, not something to plan around.
I believe your conclusion may prove accurate if your underlying reasoning is faulty.
 
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If they were going to fire him, they would've done it by now. Unless someone the covet is made available this off-season, he's gonna be the coach next season and that way if things go off the rails early, they have a scapegoat and have a way to make some meaningful change if needed.

eh. i’ll go out on a limb and say IF we land Bedard there’s no chance in hell Larsen is coaching this team next season.
 

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eh. i’ll go out on a limb and say IF we land Bedard there’s no chance in hell Larsen is coaching this team next season.

But anyone else?
I'm not sure the Jackets would make a coaching change even if they land Bedard. If its Fantilli or Carlsson I doubt that would be reason enough. I'm not sure either of them are slam dunks to make the team right out of camp. On the other hand I have no clue as to what their development would look like in Cleveland.
 
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I'm not sure the Jackets would make a coaching change even if they land Bedard. If its Fantilli or Carlsson I doubt that would be reason enough. I'm not sure either of them are slam dunks to make the team right out of camp. On the other hand I have no clue as to what their development would look like in Cleveland.
I’m trying to figure out if the poster thinks the only player the team could draft that would necessitate a coaching change in Bedard and why, if so, they think that.
 

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Hate to say this, but I don't think Mateychuk's ability to block passing lanes has improved at all from last year. Taking the role of spectator on a couple Regina goals tonight. Not good.

Because of that and some other issues in his game, he seems to be a longer term project than what I originally thought of him. I doubt he will be "too good" for WHL next year.
 
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Hate to say this, but I don't think Mateychuk's ability to block passing lanes has improved at all from last year. Taking the role of spectator on a couple Regina goals tonight. Not good.

Because of that and some other issues in his game, he seems to be a longer term project than what I originally thought of him. I doubt he will be "too good" for WHL next year.
Were you expecting a 19 year old defenseman to force his way onto the team? I think thats more of a hit at your expectations vs his level of play. Im not even sure im ready to see Jiricek next year, nevermind Mateychuk
 
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Were you expecting a 19 year old defenseman to force his way onto the team? I think thats more of a hit at your expectations vs his level of play. Im not even sure im ready to see Jiricek next year, nevermind Mateychuk
No I wasn't, but thought it's possible he would be ready for AHL where he isn't eligible to play next year.
 

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Hate to say this, but I don't think Mateychuk's ability to block passing lanes has improved at all from last year. Taking the role of spectator on a couple Regina goals tonight. Not good.

Because of that and some other issues in his game, he seems to be a longer term project than what I originally thought of him. I doubt he will be "too good" for WHL next year.

A bit disappointing for sure. By itself, that would seem to be something he could learn later, right? I doubt it is the hardest thing to learn, maybe just needs some good coaching. But you tell me, maybe there are many little things like that that he struggles with a la Boqvist.
 

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A bit disappointing for sure. By itself, that would seem to be something he could learn later, right? I doubt it is the hardest thing to learn, maybe just needs some good coaching. But you tell me, maybe there are many little things like that that he struggles with a la Boqvist.
Big difference between them is that Mateychuk doesn't seem as allergic to taking the body in DZ and there aren't any apparent conditioning issues with him. In my view Mateychuk defends space pretty well in terms of being in right position but the stick and skates don't get in the way of puck as quickly as situations call for, in other words he isn't good at predicting oncoming passes.

There could be many other defensive details he sucks at but I'm not sure if I'm able to accurately identify and analyse them in great depth, and then to assess how they're going to affect his NHL potential. Regardless of what the actual issues are and how fixable they are with coaching, I surely do hope that organisation will have the right personnel to help him patiently when that time comes. Rushing could very well be catastrophic to his development.
 

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As everyone is talking about getting Bedard ( and what a get he would be) is it high probable that Dumais is just a good pro who could also change the CBJ fortunes next year? I see that both are neck and neck in point totals this year. Might our already signed draft pick be a franchise player? I’ll hang up and listen, thanks for taking my call
 

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As everyone is talking about getting Bedard ( and what a get he would be) is it high probable that Dumais is just a good pro who could also change the CBJ fortunes next year? I see that both are neck and neck in point totals this year. Might our already signed draft pick be a franchise player? I’ll hang up and listen, thanks for taking my call
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As everyone is talking about getting Bedard ( and what a get he would be) is it high probable that Dumais is just a good pro who could also change the CBJ fortunes next year? I see that both are neck and neck in point totals this year. Might our already signed draft pick be a franchise player? I’ll hang up and listen, thanks for taking my call
No. Dumais plays in a much less competitive league on a better team, is not a center, is older, and has no elite traits. I’m not sure he is close to making the jump to the NHL game (although this Org loves to rush prospects so who knows).

If he becomes a player similar to Marchand, that could definitely help - but Dumais is probably 2-3 years away from sniffing NHL action.
 

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Jiricek now is #3 in Athletic (Wheelers) ranking ….
3. David Jiricek, RHD, 18 (Columbus Blue Jackets — No. 6, 2022)
July 2022 rank: No. 18 (change: +15)

Jiricek has some extremely desirable attributes, marked by a booming point shot (it’s a bomb, and he does a really good job keeping it on target and a couple of feet off the ice), a strong, athletic 6-foot-3 frame, and a commanding on-ice presence. He’s a staunch man-to-man in-zone defender, he moves his feet well for his size (though I do worry about his stilted backwards skating/pivots and how often he gets caught flatfooted), and thrives in transition with his ability to both close out on gaps (less so than maintain them) with his length and aggression and lead a ton of rushes as an eager puck transporter (he’s a much better skater going forward).

Offensively, he’s also a capable handler and distributor whose point shot is complemented by an aggressive approach. There are also some subtleties to his game (first passes that are almost never off-target, a sneaky-silky first touch, etc.). But his modus operandi is that he’s a confident, active, engaged three-zone player who has almost all of the tools you look for in a top defender.

When his timing is on and he’s stepping up early to take the ice in the neutral zone, he can really dominate a game on both sides of the puck. He can be a little overzealous at times (offensively and defensively), but that eagerness to make something happen also defines his game and he’s a lot to handle when he builds a head of steam through his tall crossovers and starts circling the offensive game. He wants to dictate and influence the game on his terms, rather than wait for it to come to him (which can also come with waiting a little too long to make his decisions at the time, but is more often apparent in quick, aggressive choices


Mateychuk is up to #14…
14. Denton Mateychuk, LHD, 18 (Columbus Blue Jackets — No. 12, 2022)
July 2022 rank: No. 28 (change: +14)

Mateychuk has built quite a reputation for himself in hockey circles for his ability to direct play and drive results when he’s on the ice. That style helped him work his way onto Team Canada’s U18 worlds team as an underager and has made him one of the top defensemen in junior hockey in the last two seasons. Those are among the many reasons he was named Moose Jaw’s captain this year and will make him a big part of the 2024 Canadian world junior team in Gothenburg.

He’s already a plus-level skater, which helps him escape pressure with his feet, push up ice in control, trail in transition, walk the line, and steer opposing players into tough spots despite not being the biggest guy. He’s the definition — or close — of the modern defenseman.

Mateychuk pushes when he can and everything he does is done with poise and command. He plays a reliable and calculating game built around his mobility and sound decision-making. He defends at a high level and is strong over his 5-foot-11 frame. Plus he’s a July birthday so he’s got plenty of time to build on his strong foundation and develop his distinguishing qualities (namely his movement and control of the game).

He just always seems to be involved in all three zones. I see a clear top-four upside and there’s nothing in his game that gives me pause in saying that

Biggest surprise is Jordan Dumahas moved all the way up to #24….
24. Jordan Dumais, RW, 18 (Calumbus Blue Jackets — No. 64, 2022)
July 2022 rank: Not ranked

One of my favourite prospects in the sport and the most productive player in major junior hockey not named Connor Bedard over the course of the last two seasons, I will be more surprised if Dumais doesn’t make it as a playmaking top-nine winger at this point than I will if he does. That, in and of itself, is no small thing to be saying about a 5-foot-9, 18-year-old third-round pick. But that’s what he’s owed because of one simple fact: Players who’ve produced like he has historically almost never miss. He should win QMJHL MVP. He should be one of the top-six right wings for Canada at next year’s world juniors. I’m confident he’s going to produce in the AHL like he did in his first Traverse City Prospects Tournament (and everywhere else). And then he’s going to figure it out at NHL pace, despite questions about his size and skating, because he’s too good and too intelligent on the ice not to.

Dumais’ extensions through his stride need some cleaning up (they can look stunted and drag at the toe caps), but he has become a tremendously hardworking player with a wide-ranging offensive game that allows him to create offence in a variety of ways. He’ll beat you with a quick give-and-go on one shift, a standstill pass or shot on the next, a dance to the high slot on the next, and quick hands and determination around the net on the next. He brings it every night. He tracks back and makes hustle plays. His shot is pinpoint accurate and gets off of his blade effortlessly in catch-and-release sequences. He’s really good along the wall and the back check on retrievals and steals. Though he’s not physical, he hunts pucks without fear and willingly engages in puck battles. He’s got A-level vision, hands, and anticipation. He’s crafty as anything. He routinely elevates his linemates and does things himself (as evidenced by the uptick in their production and the gap that he still maintains well above and beyond his peers). I’m willing to stick my neck out for him to become a top-six NHL winger if the Blue Jackets handle his development appropriately (which I’m confident they will)
 

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Jiricek now is #3 in Athletic (Wheelers) ranking ….
3. David Jiricek, RHD, 18 (Columbus Blue Jackets — No. 6, 2022)
July 2022 rank: No. 18 (change: +15)

Jiricek has some extremely desirable attributes, marked by a booming point shot (it’s a bomb, and he does a really good job keeping it on target and a couple of feet off the ice), a strong, athletic 6-foot-3 frame, and a commanding on-ice presence. He’s a staunch man-to-man in-zone defender, he moves his feet well for his size (though I do worry about his stilted backwards skating/pivots and how often he gets caught flatfooted), and thrives in transition with his ability to both close out on gaps (less so than maintain them) with his length and aggression and lead a ton of rushes as an eager puck transporter (he’s a much better skater going forward).

Offensively, he’s also a capable handler and distributor whose point shot is complemented by an aggressive approach. There are also some subtleties to his game (first passes that are almost never off-target, a sneaky-silky first touch, etc.). But his modus operandi is that he’s a confident, active, engaged three-zone player who has almost all of the tools you look for in a top defender.

When his timing is on and he’s stepping up early to take the ice in the neutral zone, he can really dominate a game on both sides of the puck. He can be a little overzealous at times (offensively and defensively), but that eagerness to make something happen also defines his game and he’s a lot to handle when he builds a head of steam through his tall crossovers and starts circling the offensive game. He wants to dictate and influence the game on his terms, rather than wait for it to come to him (which can also come with waiting a little too long to make his decisions at the time, but is more often apparent in quick, aggressive choices


Mateychuk is up to #14…
14. Denton Mateychuk, LHD, 18 (Columbus Blue Jackets — No. 12, 2022)
July 2022 rank: No. 28 (change: +14)

Mateychuk has built quite a reputation for himself in hockey circles for his ability to direct play and drive results when he’s on the ice. That style helped him work his way onto Team Canada’s U18 worlds team as an underager and has made him one of the top defensemen in junior hockey in the last two seasons. Those are among the many reasons he was named Moose Jaw’s captain this year and will make him a big part of the 2024 Canadian world junior team in Gothenburg.

He’s already a plus-level skater, which helps him escape pressure with his feet, push up ice in control, trail in transition, walk the line, and steer opposing players into tough spots despite not being the biggest guy. He’s the definition — or close — of the modern defenseman.

Mateychuk pushes when he can and everything he does is done with poise and command. He plays a reliable and calculating game built around his mobility and sound decision-making. He defends at a high level and is strong over his 5-foot-11 frame. Plus he’s a July birthday so he’s got plenty of time to build on his strong foundation and develop his distinguishing qualities (namely his movement and control of the game).

He just always seems to be involved in all three zones. I see a clear top-four upside and there’s nothing in his game that gives me pause in saying that

Biggest surprise is Jordan Dumahas moved all the way up to #24….
24. Jordan Dumais, RW, 18 (Calumbus Blue Jackets — No. 64, 2022)
July 2022 rank: Not ranked

One of my favourite prospects in the sport and the most productive player in major junior hockey not named Connor Bedard over the course of the last two seasons, I will be more surprised if Dumais doesn’t make it as a playmaking top-nine winger at this point than I will if he does. That, in and of itself, is no small thing to be saying about a 5-foot-9, 18-year-old third-round pick. But that’s what he’s owed because of one simple fact: Players who’ve produced like he has historically almost never miss. He should win QMJHL MVP. He should be one of the top-six right wings for Canada at next year’s world juniors. I’m confident he’s going to produce in the AHL like he did in his first Traverse City Prospects Tournament (and everywhere else). And then he’s going to figure it out at NHL pace, despite questions about his size and skating, because he’s too good and too intelligent on the ice not to.

Dumais’ extensions through his stride need some cleaning up (they can look stunted and drag at the toe caps), but he has become a tremendously hardworking player with a wide-ranging offensive game that allows him to create offence in a variety of ways. He’ll beat you with a quick give-and-go on one shift, a standstill pass or shot on the next, a dance to the high slot on the next, and quick hands and determination around the net on the next. He brings it every night. He tracks back and makes hustle plays. His shot is pinpoint accurate and gets off of his blade effortlessly in catch-and-release sequences. He’s really good along the wall and the back check on retrievals and steals. Though he’s not physical, he hunts pucks without fear and willingly engages in puck battles. He’s got A-level vision, hands, and anticipation. He’s crafty as anything. He routinely elevates his linemates and does things himself (as evidenced by the uptick in their production and the gap that he still maintains well above and beyond his peers). I’m willing to stick my neck out for him to become a top-six NHL winger if the Blue Jackets handle his development appropriately (which I’m confident they will)
marchenko also on the list at #36, ceulemans and svozil were listed as honorable mentions.
 
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Radulov 8 last games 2 + 8 = 10
Voronkov 8 last games 4 + 5 = 9
Safonov 8 last games 4 + 4 = 8

Btw, Radulov had problems with playmaker Shipachyov. This is important to remember. Good players often need similar like Voronkov and Safonov. That is reason why I think Dima could play in TOP 6.
 
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We don’t have the roster space for him in the near term anyway. Mateychuk can take his time to get here.
I agree he can take his time to get here as I want him to be further along in his development. I don’t agree about not having roster space as aside from Werenski, no other DMen have proven themselves to be more than 5, 6, 7, 8 guys
 

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No. Dumais plays in a much less competitive league on a better team, is not a center, is older, and has no elite traits. I’m not sure he is close to making the jump to the NHL game (although this Org loves to rush prospects so who knows).

If he becomes a player similar to Marchand, that could definitely help - but Dumais is probably 2-3 years away from sniffing NHL action.
I just want to say thanks for the response
speaking for myself only I imagine that there are many fans like me who don’t know a great deal about these players having never seen them play and I only go by what I read in the stats and some select articles so I want to say thank you and I appreciate it
 
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