If they were going to fire him, they would've done it by now. Unless someone the covet is made available this off-season, he's gonna be the coach next season and that way if things go off the rails early, they have a scapegoat and have a way to make some meaningful change if needed.
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The absolute worse time to change coaches is in season. I only hope they replace him and staff in the off season.
I'm not meaning to imply that it's their intention to fire him in the season, but I think they write off this season to injuries and growth and give him another shot next year. However if it's looking like we might be out of the playoff race before the new year they'll make a move. It really depends on what they do this offseason. I imagine we're gonna be pretty aggressive to get this team ready to compete with Johnny and hopefully a NHL ready top prospect from the 23 draft and hopefully a NHL ready Jiricek combined with a healthy Z and hopefully a healthy Tex as well.
If they can retool the D this offseason I think playoffs are the expectations with the amount of talent on the roster.
For those interested, Scott Wheeler ranked New Jersey #2 and Minnesota #1 among team prospect pools ahead of the Jackets.
Why even bring up Tex ???? A guy who ran back to Europe because he broke his finger. I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe, Tex will be back and work out. But that certainly should not be among the assumptions made getting ready for next year. He should be considered a surprise bonus, not an expected contributor.
The organization has now accepted the season is lost and is now tanking, a coaching change might interfere with that, he will be replaced in the off season.
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Is it possible you are being just a little too harsh and perhaps insensitive?
He ran back home because multiple close family members died, tf dude. The league wouldn't have allowed him to do that if it was because he broke his finger.
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CBJx614, this is not directed at you but I feel like I am having Deja vu all over again. Foudy has become the new Kevin Stenlund. This debate about whether Foudy is an NHL player has at least another season to drag on.
Perhaps I am being a bit "insensitive". But I have not heard one word about him wanting to come back. What I have heard is Jarmo asking him if he wants to come back. It would b e nice if he openly declared he wants to get back to the Jackets. He has not done so. So, as I said, he should be treated as a "bonus" if he returns, not something to plan around.
i kinda get the comparison here but i think the main difference is that stenlund had one NHL level tool (his shot) and also happened to have good size, but his skating was sub-NHL level. foudy's skating is NHL-plus and his compete level seems pretty good, it's just his hockey IQ + hands + shooting that aren't great.
fwiw portzline has reported that columbus 'expects' to have texier back for camp next season. that's quite a bit stronger than saying that jarmo asked for him to come back.
it's all a moot point, though. texier doesn't owe it to anyone to say publicly whether he's coming back at this time. he can't come back this season anyway. he's taking time away and should fix his focus on what's in front of him right now.
You mean the same Stenlund who we moved on from, and then put up 14 pts in 19 AHL games and was called up and has an even +/-, 8 pts in 24 NHL games this year?!
Also if we still had Stenlund he could be a step up from Silly and allow Silly to be getting minutes in the AHL. It would've also provided some competition in camp and not just allowed Silly to get a free pass on starting night/throughout the season.
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That's where the comparison with Foudy makes sense in comparison to guys like Milano and Duclair, they had the skills, it was that they couldn't think the game well/quick enough and that's where getting a ton of that AHL experience would've benefitted them all.
Im not implying he's gonna break out, I just think if he was handled properly the last few seasons, we could be looking at a different Foudy rn.
There's going to be a LOT of guys across the league from the 2016-2019 drafts that are looked back on as "what could have been" because of Covid shutting down leagues and the taxi squad system disrupting critical development years. Foudy should've had another year in London that he literally missed because the OHL didn't play. He is very much not alone across the league in that respect. I'm not defending how Columbus handled Foudy specifically here, just pointing out there was a major trauamatic worldwide event happening during those development years.
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Yeah; I'd been guessing Addison was considered graduated and didn't think Faber was going to move the needle. Wrong on both counts.
the issue with milano/duclair (and roslovic as well) is that they are physically talented enough (athleticism, hand/eye, skill) to be well-above average NHL players, but lacked the hockey IQ, and compete level/work ethic.
foudy is similar in that he has the athleticism to be an NHL player (above average skating) and his hockey IQ leaves something to be desired. but where those guys have above average skill and sub-NHL compete, foudy has above average compete and sub-NHL skill.
i don't even know if 'handling' has anything to do with it.
D+1 year: significant uptick in production for london, with a 28-40–68 line and +41 in 45 games played. plays 10 'playoff' games in the bubble, largely holds his own
D+2 year: COVID hits, CHL cancels season, AHL season gets significantly shortened. foudy puts up a 0-4-4 line in 24 reg season games, then a 3-13–16 line in 12 AHL games (edited/corrected)
D+3 year: too old to go back to the OHL. puts up 19 points in 29 AHL games, gets promoted to taxi squad, plays one game, gets sent back down, then a few games later gets hurt again and misses the rest of the season
D+4 year: makes the team despite spending camp injured, likely due to being waiver-eligible. struggles in a bottom six role on a team where everyone is struggling.
not saying he was destined for stardom or anything but it seems like bad luck more than anything.
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Re: Foudy
His athletic gifts are being overrated here. Some of his issues have to do with his struggles to nimbly move about - his skating gifts are straight line only.* While his hockey IQ was fine before, not high but he was smart. He looked much better to me a couple years ago. I think the injuries might have been a very serious setback. This is how many many prospects fail, their bodies just can't consistently do what they need to do at the NHL level, often because of injuries. I don't think there's much a different development path would change, he's had a lot of success in the AHL which is the most you can ask for.
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As a point of comparison look at Liam vs his brother Jean-Luc. They are often cited as two great skaters. Jean-Luc is a much better skater. Great outside edges. He can weave about the offensive zone and slip into space. Liam can't do any of that. He needs a big space to pull off a simple button hook. Big turning radius. The hands aren't the only limiting factor, the edges are a big part of what limits him.
His athletic gifts are being overrated here. Some of his issues have to do with his struggles to nimbly move about - his skating gifts are straight line only.* While his hockey IQ was fine before, not high but he was smart. He looked much better to me a couple years ago. I think the injuries might have been a very serious setback. This is how many many prospects fail, their bodies just can't consistently do what they need to do at the NHL level, often because of injuries. I don't think there's much a different development path would change, he's had a lot of success in the AHL which is the most you can ask for.
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As a point of comparison look at Liam vs his brother Jean-Luc. They are often cited as two great skaters. Jean-Luc is a much better skater. Great outside edges. He can weave about the offensive zone and slip into space. Liam can't do any of that. He needs a big space to pull off a simple button hook. Big turning radius. The hands aren't the only limiting factor, the edges are a big part of what limits him.
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The 3-13-16 line was regular season. He was 2-0-2 in 8 playoff games in 2019. He had 15 shots on goal during the playoffs, 12 in the first round (4 games), and 3 in the second round. Toronto shut him down as far as shots on goal. I've had my fill of Foudy. He's just there.
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C'mon man. That's wrong and you know it. Two deaths in your immediate family and you want to be there because of it? Have a little compassion. He didn't run away. Maybe your family isn't that important to you but clearly to him it was. Mental health... it's important.
That out of the way, I agree, he should be a surprise bonus. I still expect him to come back but I'm not going to count on it until he's here.
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Seriously? This is ridiculous. Dude, you need to go to church or something. Get a heart. That's flat out wrong and I'm no PC guy.
Don't push him too hard, he might threaten to cancel his season tickets
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well, I can't say anything about that because I've already said that after another disappointment. Although in my defense, it's more about keeping a happy wife and not shelling out Club level money. Been doing that since Day 1 and reached a breaking point (hence my hiatus that really didn't last that long
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Stenlund has 5 points, not 8.You mean the same Stenlund who we moved on from, and then put up 14 pts in 19 AHL games and was called up and has an even +/-, 8 pts in 24 NHL games this year?!
Also if we still had Stenlund he could be a step up from Silly and allow Silly to be getting minutes in the AHL. It would've also provided some competition in camp and not just allowed Silly to get a free pass on starting night/throughout the season.
