Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread VI

[major major]

For both Kolesar and Abramov I'm going to need to see how they do against men before I get excited by them.

Kolesar can out muscle anyone but he doesn't have what scouts call a "projectable frame". All that extra weight might not really be a plus at the next level, especially if he can't reach his opponents.

I haven't paid close attention to Abramov but he has similar production to last year when he certainly wasn't a top prospect. He disappeared in camp the second actual men showed up, so I'm going to wait for him to show up at the next level before getting pumped for him.

Thurkauf seems to be a more underrated guy. Size, speed, grit, it's not too hard to see an NHL future for him.

 

[WannabeFinn]

I haven't paid close attention to Abramov but he has similar production to last year when he certainly wasn't a top prospect. He disappeared in camp the second actual men showed up, so I'm going to wait for him to show up at the next level before getting pumped for him.

Wut

Abramov ranked 29th best NA skater in CSS Final rankings pre-draft http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm?cat=1&sort=finalRank&year=2016

He's also carrying much more of the offensive workload for his team this season compared to last, even though at a glance his stat lines seem quite similar.

Of course he's going to struggle against full grown men right now, remember teenage versions of Bjorkstrand/Atkinson?

 

[major major]

Wut

Abramov ranked 29th best NA skater in CSS Final rankings pre-draft http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm?cat=1&sort=finalRank&year=2016

He's also carrying much more of the offensive workload for his team this season compared to last, even though at a glance his stat lines seem quite similar.

Of course he's going to struggle against full grown men right now, remember teenage versions of Bjorkstrand/Atkinson?

I checked his teammate production for the two years and didn't notice much difference.

Nowhere have I said he won't make it, merely that he still has the odds against him, just as Bjorkstrand did. And I've seen nothing since the draft that has made me think Abramov's improved his odds yet.

 

[WannabeFinn]

I checked his teammate production for the two years and didn't notice much difference.

Gatineau 2015-16: 3.67 goals per game, Abramov scored 38 goals in 63 games

63 games x 3.67 per game = 231 goals on average, Abramov scored 16.45% of that

Gatineau 2016-17: 3.45 goals per game, Abramov scored 43 goals in 56 games

56 games x 3.45 per game = 193 goals on average, Abramov scored 22.28% of that

 

[Cowumbus]

Vitaly Abramov has been a tank this year. He is on pace to pass his numbers from last year in points. What I find interesting is his increase of scoring relative to his team. Last season he had 38 G out of his teams 248 total. This is 15.32% of the teams goals. He also contributed 13.61% of his teams points. As of now, Abramov has 44 out of 207 total goals, equating to 21.26 of his teams goals. His percentage in points also went up and is 16.82%. I like those increases, and I think it shows that he can be "the guy" for his team and carry the play. You want that in an NHLer and I love to see that in a skilled silky Russian prospect.

Zherdev/Filatov/Svitov were some of my favorite prospects, Abramov is getting up there.

 

[Cowumbus]

PLD has now played 20 games for both Cape Breton and the Armada. Since being traded he has gone from .3 GPG to .7 GPG more than doubling what he had. His APG have gone from .6 to .75 APG. That comes to a 61 percent increase in production after being traded. If he were to have played for the Armada all year at this pace he would have (rounding up) 90 points. Which is 10 points less than what he had during his U-17 season with Cape Breton.

 

[The Jones Zone]

Jarmo recently stated He watched a game between Abramov and PLD's teams

He described PLD as a "men among boys" or something to that..We can only hope

 

[Old Guy]

You think about Bjorkstrand, and PLD and Abramov spending the summer in the weight room and getting ready for a heavier load of games and physical play.

Think about the progress that can be made in the games of Nutivaara and Hannikainen. I would expect both Zach Werenski and Josh Anderson to both get stronger and better prepared to meet the grind on an NHL season. Maybe Sonny Milano shows signs of being ready.

The Vegas Golden Knights can't claim them all. This franchise is only providing a glimpse of what is to come.

 

[Doggy]

There has been very little talk about the defensive prospects. I know its easy to get a grasp on goals and assists and its fun to discuss PLD, Abramov, Sherwood, Kolesar and Big Thurk. I know its hard to assess non-offensive d-men by looking at stats and other than Ruopp they are all playing in Europe or NCAAs (so less media attention in the North America) and we have a great looking young corp right now...but...anyone wanna comment on these guys?

Carlsson was a first rounder...feel like there has to be some more info on him. I assume Ruopp gets an AHL contract and he's a big kid so perhaps he fills Heatherington's spot. What's the deal with Gavrikov? How about Peeke and Collins?

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Carlsson was a first rounder...feel like there has to be some more info on him.

I haven't seen any Linköping games, so I can't comment on his play. But I looked up stats. In his latest game he played on Linköping's 3rd pairing, but played 17 min so he is getting ice time.

Linköping is one of the top teams and very good defensively. So he's at least good enough to draw a regular shift as a 19/20 year old.

 

[Old Guy]

Gabriel Carlsson
HOMETOWN: OREBRO
TEAM:COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS
CURRENTLY PLAYING IN:EUROPE
BIRTHDAY: 1997-01-02
POSITION: D
ELIGIBLE FOR DRAFT: 2015
DRAFTED: 2015
SHOOTS: LEFT
HEIGHT: 6-4
ACQUIRED: 1ST ROUND (29TH OVERALL), 2015
WEIGHT: 183 LBS.


NHL Player System Rating Rules
Traditional Realistic Potential Rating (1-10)
(a player’s realistic potential ability):
PROSPECT TALENT SCORE - 7.0

7.0 = Second-Line Forward/ No. 3-4 Defenseman / Journeyman No. 1 Goaltender – players not quite good enough to play on the top line or pairing on a regular basis, but still possessing enough talent to contribute offensively, defend with some authority, or competently play the goaltender’s position for long stretches.

Defense: Kevin Shattenkirk, Alec Martinez, Jeff Petry
Forward: Tomas Tatar, Ryan Kesler, James Neal
Goaltender: Devan Dubnyk, Jaroslav Halak, Mike Smith

2014-15: Carlsson appeared in 17 SHL games for Linkoping, including 10 playoff contests, after spending most of the season with the club’s U20 team in the SuperElit league. He played for the Sweden U18 team in the 2014 Ivan Hlinka Memorial and 2015 World Junior Championship tournaments. Carlsson had 2 assists and was +3 with no penalties, averaging 12 minutes of ice time in seven regular season games and had 1 assist with an even plus/minus and 2 penalty minutes, averaging 10 minutes of ice time, in 10 playoff games. In 42 games with the Linkoping U20 team, including three playoff games, he had 9 assists and was +25 with 16 penalty minutes. Carlsson was +5 with 1 assist in five games at the Ivan Hlinka tournament. He had an even plus/minus with no points and 2 penalty minutes in five games at the World Juniors. Sweden finished eighth, falling to Canada, 5-3, in the quarterfinals. Carlsson was ranked second amongst international skaters in the Central Scouting final rankings and was selected by Columbus in the first round (29th overall) in the 2015 NHL Draft.

2015-16: Carlsson attended prospect camp with the Blue Jackets and Sweden’s U20 evaluation camp in Lake Placid before returning to Sweden for his first SHL season. Skating in 45 of 52 regular season games for third-place Linkopings, he scored 1 goal with 8 assists and was +4 with 2 penalty minutes, averaging 12 minutes of ice time per game. Linkopings was upset by defending champion Vaxjo in the playoff quarterfinals. Carlsson had an even plus/minus with no points nor penalties, averaging 11 minutes of ice time, in six playoff games. Playing for Sweden in the 2016 World Juniors, he had 3 assists and was +1 with 8 penalty minutes in seven games. Sweden finished fourth, falling 8-3 to the USA in the bronze medal game.

Talent Analysis
Carlsson is among the top young defensemen coming out of Sweden but unlike many of those players is more inclined towards the defensive elements of the game. He uses his size, reach, and improving hockey sense to play a very defensive style. He will rarely be seen jumping into the rush, but does make a solid first pass and is able to hold the line and put the puck on net quickly.

Future
Carlsson skated in Sweden in 2015-16, playing in the SHL as an 18-year-old. Yet to sign an entry-level contract with the Blue Jackets, his size, skill set and composure suggest he can be a sound second pairing defender in the NHL one day.


Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/gabriel-carlsson/#WZTglpDKEbChRlb2.99

 

[CBJx614]

You think about Bjorkstrand, and PLD and Abramov spending the summer in the weight room and getting ready for a heavier load of games and physical play.

I think Abramov definitely without a doubt needs at least a year of two of hitting the gym hard. PLD on the other hand is already 6'3 205-215 depending on where you look. He doesn't need to get bigger for fear of losing speed and agility, but I think he's gonna need a long off-season on the ice against grown men. I'm not saying he doesn't need to the hit the gym, you can always work on explosiveness and core strength. But I think his biggest hurdle will be getting his mind acclimated to the speed and physicality of the NHL.

 

[S1N4TR4]

I know Jarmo rarely swings and misses when it comes to draft picks... and I know he was a 5th rounder but, how about Tyler Bird.. our 5th round pick in 2014.. 24 points in 90 career games for Brown University. Yeeeesh.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I know Jarmo rarely swings and misses when it comes to draft picks... and I know he was a 5th rounder but, how about Tyler Bird.. our 5th round pick in 2014.. 24 points in 90 career games for Brown University. Yeeeesh.

Eh, I think his reputation is a bit exaggerated. He's a good scout/drafter, but in his time here it's looking quite mixed. But missing on a 5th rounder isn't that uncommon, Bird won't get a contract.

 

[Hello Johnny]

Eh, I think his reputation is a bit exaggerated. He's a good scout/drafter, but in his time here it's looking quite mixed.

He historically misses on 2nd rounders, but overall he's about as good as it gets when it comes to drafting. Trevor Timmins from Montreal is pretty good too, but I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who matches him nowadays.

 

[PG Canuck]

A look in at Sam Ruopp last night.

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2017/01/24/scouting-report-prince-george-cougars-vs-vancouver-giants/

Agree on Ruopp, disagree on Gabrielle. Need to watch more games if you think he doesn't have a good work ethic away from the puck.

 

[WannabeFinn]

I know Jarmo rarely swings and misses when it comes to draft picks... and I know he was a 5th rounder but, how about Tyler Bird.. our 5th round pick in 2014.. 24 points in 90 career games for Brown University. Yeeeesh.

Yes, Jarmo has had his fair share of draft selections that haven't panned out. Rychel (kinda), Søberg, Collins, Pelletier, Bird, etc.

But when he hits on a pick, he knocks it out of the park. Wennberg, Dano, Bjorkstrand, Werenski, Gavrikov, Nutivaara, etc.

 

[Doggy]

Yes, Jarmo has had his fair share of draft selections that haven't panned out. Rychel (kinda), Søberg, Collins, Pelletier, Bird, etc.

But when he hits on a pick, he knocks it out of the park. Wennberg, Dano, Bjorkstrand, Werenski, Gavrikov, Nutivaara, etc.

I am not dissing on Jarmo...projecting seventeen year olds in hard. But I think you are being premature. Werenski is special and Wennberg is very good...but they should be for where they were drafted. Bjorkstrand looks exciting but at this point he has proven nothing except given fans a tease of what might be.

How is Dano, Gavrikov and Nuti hitting it out of the park? Dano has 3 Gs and 10 Pts in 31 Games this year. I know he's still young but a projected 8 Gs and 26 Pts over a full 82 game schedule is hardly something to shout about...especially for a first round pick. Gavrikov? He hasn't played a single game outside the KHL yet...think there is plenty to prove. Nuti? I like the kid but battling to be a 5/6/7 d-man is not a homerun.

Getting Cam in the sixth, Calvert in the 5th and Savard in the 4th...that's impressive late round drafting! But that was Howson.

 

[Monk]

I am not dissing on Jarmo...projecting seventeen year olds in hard. But I think you are being premature. Werenski is special and Wennberg is very good...but they should be for where they were drafted. Bjorkstrand looks exciting but at this point he has proven nothing except given fans a tease of what might be.

How is Dano, Gavrikov and Nuti hitting it out of the park? Dano has 3 Gs and 10 Pts in 31 Games this year. I know he's still young but a projected 8 Gs and 26 Pts over a full 82 game schedule is hardly something to shout about...especially for a first round pick. Gavrikov? He hasn't played a single game outside the KHL yet...think there is plenty to prove. Nuti? I like the kid but battling to be a 5/6/7 d-man is not a homerun.

Getting Cam in the sixth, Calvert in the 5th and Savard in the 4th...that's impressive late round drafting! But that was Howson.

If you look at other GMs' drafting records, you're probably going to find a lot more strikeouts in the first round than you think there are...

 

[Doggy]

If you look at other GMs' drafting records, you're probably going to find a lot more strikeouts in the first round than you think there are...

No doubt...just saying Dano, Gavrikov and Nuti are not homeruns...at least not yet...not even close. And let's be honest...GMSH and GMJK have been awesome compared to GMDM. GMDM was a train wreck!

 

[major major]

I am not dissing on Jarmo...projecting seventeen year olds in hard. But I think you are being premature. Werenski is special and Wennberg is very good...but they should be for where they were drafted. Bjorkstrand looks exciting but at this point he has proven nothing except given fans a tease of what might be.
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"They should be for where they were drafted"? Wennberg is already vastly better than most 14OAs ever become. The players taken after him are Pulock, Zadorov, Lazar, Mueller, and Rychel. Werenski is already vastly better than most 8th OAs ever become. The players taken after him are Meier, Crouse, Rantanen, Guryanov, and Zboril.

How is Dano, Gavrikov and Nuti hitting it out of the park? Dano has 3 Gs and 10 Pts in 31 Games this year. I know he's still young but a projected 8 Gs and 26 Pts over a full 82 game schedule is hardly something to shout about...especially for a first round pick. Gavrikov? He hasn't played a single game outside the KHL yet...think there is plenty to prove. Nuti? I like the kid but battling to be a 5/6/7 d-man is not a homerun.

Its way too early to tell with them. It was too early to tell on most of Howson's homeruns until 4-8 years later!!

I
Getting Cam in the sixth, Calvert in the 5th and Savard in the 4th...that's impressive late round drafting! But that was Howson.

That is amazing drafting. Anderson is another 4th rounder.

 

[CBJx614]

I am not dissing on Jarmo...projecting seventeen year olds in hard. But I think you are being premature. Werenski is special and Wennberg is very good...but they should be for where they were drafted. Bjorkstrand looks exciting but at this point he has proven nothing except given fans a tease of what might be.

How is Dano, Gavrikov and Nuti hitting it out of the park? Dano has 3 Gs and 10 Pts in 31 Games this year. I know he's still young but a projected 8 Gs and 26 Pts over a full 82 game schedule is hardly something to shout about...especially for a first round pick. Gavrikov? He hasn't played a single game outside the KHL yet...think there is plenty to prove. Nuti? I like the kid but battling to be a 5/6/7 d-man is not a homerun.

Getting Cam in the sixth, Calvert in the 5th and Savard in the 4th...that's impressive late round drafting! But that was Howson.

How is drafting a player in the 7th round and then have him solidified as the #6 a year later not a homerun? The only reason he's only battling for a 5/6 spot is because spots 1-4 are filled by solid if not game breaking defensemen.


And how many years did it take those players to actually solidify themselves as the players they are now?

 

[Jackets16]

Werenski is special and Wennberg is very good...but they should be for where they were drafted.

I'm guessing there aren't many players drafted where Wennberg was drafted who are/were as good as he is.

 

[Doggy]

Wow I am taking a beating for this comment. I think its great what Wenny has done but aren't we supposed to assume mid first rounders will be first line players? In the last ten years, the #14 includes Jaden Schwartz, Dmitry Kulikov, Kevin Shattenkirk and Michael Grabner...four pretty darn good players. And going back just more than ten years add in Dubnyk and Seabrook.Its not like finding Grade A talent at the #14 slot is rare.

 

[major major]

Wow I am taking a beating for this comment. I think its great what Wenny has done but aren't we supposed to assume mid first rounders will be first line players?

No, we are not supposed to assume that. I don't know where people get that idea from. From what I can tell, about 1/3 are top line / top pair quality, 1/3 are lower in the lineup, and 1/3 are worth nothing or close to it.

In the last ten years, the #14 includes Jaden Schwartz, Dmitry Kulikov, Kevin Shattenkirk and Michael Grabner...four pretty darn good players. And going back just more than ten years add in Dubnyk and Seabrook.

Your own list doesn't prove your point. Grabner has been waiver fodder most of his career, he's not a top line forward.

And of course you could have listed other recent #14s such as:

Pokaluk
Z Boychuk
Oleksiak
Girgensons
Honka