Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread VI

[major major]

Gilbert Brule was a small scoring center. Rychel is a big strong player who gets his nose dirty in front of the net, in the corners, and willing to fight. Those qualities are bottom 6 material (he's better than Josh Anderson, but Anderson is playing better.). He has finishing ability and some (but not alot) of vision. He could be a top 6er one day, but he could be in our bottom 6 right now and be fine, as could Anderson.

Most of Rychel's value as a prospect comes from that top 6er possibility. As a depth winger he probably doesn't give you anything you can't get from a cheap UFA like Winnik. I think Anderson is more valuable because he can actually "beat the market" as a depth winger, not as a scorer but as a forechecker and physical force.

 

[Jackets16]

True. I have Rychel around 6th (behind Werenski, Bjorkstrand, Korpisalo, Milano, and Anderson), but a lot of clubs would love to have a 6th best prospect as good as Rychel.

Still I don't think he even goes top 15, maybe not top 25 if he could be re-drafted this year. He's been okay. It's not like all the players taken around him (Mantha, Mueller, Gauthier, etc..) have become something, but teams don't want to give up that chance to draft a guy who'll really breakout. Think of Claude Giroux or Max Pacioretty or some other late first rounder. I would have said that would be counterbalanced by the fact that Rychel is a more sure commodity than other prospects, but after this AHL run I don't know if that's true anymore.

I think it's reasonable to ask if Zaar might be the better prospect (I was surprised that they're almost the same age) and Carlsson, Merzlikins, and Kolesar could all pass him soon.

I agree. I am just saying his value hasn't dropped, IMO, just because some others in our organization have passed him.

 

[major major]

I agree. I am just saying his value hasn't dropped, IMO, just because some others in our organization have passed him.

Oh it's definitely dropped. It might mean nothing in the long run and he can still have a decent career, but a 21 year old can't have this long of a bad stretch in the AHL without losing some value.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Most of Rychel's value as a prospect comes from that top 6er possibility. As a depth winger he probably doesn't give you anything you can't get from a cheap UFA like Winnik. I think Anderson is more valuable because he can actually "beat the market" as a depth winger, not as a scorer but as a forechecker and physical force.

I think Anderson and Rychel are very similar players. Anderson's career has been better thus far, but I like Rychel's chances of becoming a top six forward than Anderson. I think there's room for both of them on our team, but if one is getting moved, it should be Rychel. However, moving him for another mid first is a backwards step.

 

[The Wheelchair]

I think Anderson and Rychel are very similar players. Anderson's career has been better thus far, but I like Rychel's chances of becoming a top six forward than Anderson. I think there's room for both of them on our team, but if one is getting moved, it should be Rychel. However, moving him for another mid first is a backwards step.

I think if there's a center on the board in the 10-15 range (say, McLeod) that the team really likes, they should be willing to move Rychel to get that center. I wouldn't trade him to take another wing or a defenseman, and I wouldn't trade him for a pick. But I think the prospect pool is weak enough in the center department that you've got to consider dealing from strength (wing) to get a guy you really like.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I think if there's a center on the board in the 10-15 range (say, McLeod) that the team really likes, they should be willing to move Rychel to get that center. I wouldn't trade him to take another wing or a defenseman, and I wouldn't trade him for a pick. But I think the prospect pool is weak enough in the center department that you've got to consider dealing from strength (wing) to get a guy you really like.

I would be OK with a prospect for prospect swap with Rychel for a C prospect, but not for a draft pick to draft one. Rychel is pretty much NHL ready, I would want a pretty much NHL ready center in return. Not something down the road.

 

[WannabeFinn]

What team is going to trade an NHL ready center, that has a ceiling higher than 4th line, for a winger prospect lol

 

[CBJWerenski8]

What team is going to trade an NHL ready center, that has a ceiling higher than 4th line, for a winger prospect lol

In a package deal..But its happened before. Mike Reibero to Washington for Cody Eakin comes to mind immediately.

 

[WannabeFinn]

In a package deal..But its happened before. Mike Reibero to Washington for Cody Eakin comes to mind immediately.

Yeah Washington traded a prospect and a 2nd rounder for a 32 year old center with 1 year left on his contract. I don't think Jarmo would make a move like that.

The closest comparable to 2012 Ribeiro is Antoine Vermette. 33 years old, 1 year left on his contract @ 3.75m cap hit. Obviously Vermy's offensive production isn't at 2012 Ribeiro's level but his defensive game makes up for it, at least somewhat. Would you trade Rychel for Vermette?

 

[EspenK]

Yeah Washington traded a prospect and a 2nd rounder for a 32 year old center with 1 year left on his contract. I don't think Jarmo would make a move like that.

The closest comparable to 2012 Ribeiro is Antoine Vermette. 33 years old, 1 year left on his contract @ 3.75m cap hit. Obviously Vermy's offensive production isn't at 2012 Ribeiro's level but his defensive game makes up for it, at least somewhat. Would you trade Rychel for Vermette?

If we have the cap space I'd do it. I think it would make the team better next season. And Vermette could be shipped out at the deadline if the team is the team and somehow finds a way to miss out again.

 

[Xoggz22]

What I see is a prospect pool that appears to be very deep and more talented than at any point in our history. A lot of this is not just on paper either as we have seen several players with the CBJ and not look out of place (cue the "CBJ sucks so of course they'll look OK" crowd). If Rychel is considered a 6-10 prospect then hot damn we have a good prospect pool.

That's the way I look at it. For once we can bring up young players to move under performing vets out of the lineup rather than look to them as saviors. If we are fortunate enough to land Puljajarvi and he cracks the lineup it will likely be in a bottom six role as an upgrade. I like the sound of that.

 

[Xoggz22]

Also, I'm not sure if anyone has looked but we appear to have 10 defensemen slated for Lake Erie next year (based on assumed qualifying offers):

Werenski
Paliotta (expect to be qualified)
Heatherington
Siebenaler
Yavenko
Kukan
Sifers
Ramage
Carlsson
Nutivaara

Goloubef has his work cut out for him keeping Werenski and Kukan in Eerie. Tyutin is definitely a player to be moved (will be difficult as discussed in 40 other threads). And Prouts contract allows him to be a #7 if the team gets smart.

That's some solid depth on the way and that's just to move into the 3rd pair - in my opinion.

 

[major major]

If we have the cap space I'd do it. I think it would make the team better next season. And Vermette could be shipped out at the deadline if the team is the team and somehow finds a way to miss out again.

If he's not better than Wennberg, I don't want another C.

I suppose adding a C who isn't a #1C might make sense, if you're dead set against Jenner or Foligno at center (unlike me), AND if you don't want Karlsson in the top 9 (like me).

 

[major major]

I think Anderson and Rychel are very similar players. Anderson's career has been better thus far, but I like Rychel's chances of becoming a top six forward than Anderson. I think there's room for both of them on our team, but if one is getting moved, it should be Rychel. However, moving him for another mid first is a backwards step.

Anderson has a whole 'nether gear. He's faster, he's bigger, he hits harder, and he plays hard all the time.

 

[EspenK]

If he's not better than Wennberg, I don't want another C.

I suppose adding a C who isn't a #1C might make sense, if you're dead set against Jenner or Foligno at center (unlike me), AND if you don't want Karlsson in the top 9 (like me).

I think we would be a better team with a 3rd C and Karlsson on the 4th line centering Calvert & Anderson/Rychel.

I think moving Jenner/Foligno to C makes our top 9 a bit disjointed.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

I think we would be a better team with a 3rd C and Karlsson on the 4th line centering Calvert & Anderson/Rychel.

I think moving Jenner/Foligno to C makes our top 9 a bit disjointed.

I sort of agree with the Jenner/Foligno moving to center, but if Puljujarvi makes the team I think he'll play in a top-9 role which could allow Jenner to be a 1b C.

Foligno-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Jenner-Puljujarvi
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson

Edit: if we could somehow package Hartnell/Rychel/etc for a cost controlled top-6 C (unlikely, I know), our F group would look phenomenal, as I would slide Jenner on Dubinsky and Cam's wing.

 

[EspenK]

Foligno-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Jenner-Puljujarvi
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson

or

Jenner-Dubi-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Vermette-Puljujarvi
Foligno-Karlsson-Calvert

I like my suggestion better although the Foligno on the 4th line howls will be deafening. For next year I think this is a stronger lineup
although I could support

Jenner-Dubi-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Foligno-Puljujarvi
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson/Rychel

Good news is there are lots of options if the team stands pat.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Jenner-Dubi-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Foligno-Puljujarvi
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson/Rychel

Good news is there is lots of options if the team stands pat.

I can get behind this too, ride whoever has the "hot hand" between Jenner and Foligno at 3C to play with Hartsy and Pulj.

And I agree, the team has plenty of flexibility at F, even with inevitable injuries since Clarkson, Campbell and Boll will all be in the press box, plus with Milano, Rychel, and Chaput ready to come up. I'm hesitantly expecting a MUCH better year next season.

 

[major major]

or

Jenner-Dubi-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Vermette-Puljujarvi
Foligno-Karlsson-Calvert

I like my suggestion better although the Foligno on the 4th line howls will be deafening.

As they should be. Zero minutes for Anderson and limited minutes for Foligno is a serious waste, and Vermette is a downgrade from those guys. Have you watched him lately?

For next year I think this is a stronger lineup
although I could support

Jenner-Dubi-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Hartnell-Foligno-Puljujarvi
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson/Rychel

Good news is there are lots of options if the team stands pat.

This looks much better to me.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

None of these lineups include David Clarkson. I think you guys are going to be sorely disappointed next year

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

None of these lineups include David Clarkson. I think you guys are going to be sorely disappointed next year

What place does Clarkson have in this team's lineup? Serious question. He was slow, and often injured, while barely contributing offensively. Bjorkstrand should be a lock to make the lineup, as should Puljujarvi and Anderson/Rychel. Clarkson will be in the press box over any of the kids.

 

[Viqsi]

Rychel is a better prospect than any prospect outside of the top 7 or 8 in this draft. Trading him for another first is a backwards step

He was, based on the possibility of further development. That hasn't gone as planned so far, and while it's not yet possible to rule such things out entirely (player development is not a linear process, after all), it's admittedly not looking good.

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I think if there's a center on the board in the 10-15 range (say, McLeod) that the team really likes, they should be willing to move Rychel to get that center. I wouldn't trade him to take another wing or a defenseman, and I wouldn't trade him for a pick. But I think the prospect pool is weak enough in the center department that you've got to consider dealing from strength (wing) to get a guy you really like.

This would strike me as being prudent, if only so we can have someone developing and available to replace Karlsson if we lose him to expansion, or Dubinsky as he gets older and moves down.

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I would be OK with a prospect for prospect swap with Rychel for a C prospect, but not for a draft pick to draft one. Rychel is pretty much NHL ready, I would want a pretty much NHL ready center in return. Not something down the road.

Why? We don't actually need a "pretty much NHL ready" center at Rychel's skill level and upside. Heck, one could argue we did that already with Karlsson.

 

[Jovavic]

Rychel is a better prospect than any prospect outside of the top 7 or 8 in this draft. Trading him for another first is a backwards step

I'm bet the Blues are happy they decided to trade Rundblad for the pick they used on Tarasenko

 

[CBJWerenski8]

He was, based on the possibility of further development. That hasn't gone as planned so far, and while it's not yet possible to rule such things out entirely (player development is not a linear process, after all), it's admittedly not looking good.


Why? We don't actually need a "pretty much NHL ready" center at Rychel's skill level and upside. Heck, one could argue we did that already with Karlsson.

Yes we do. Outside of Chaput, who may not even be in the organization next year, we have no NHL level prospects at the center position in the AHL.

I'm bet the Blues are happy they decided to trade Rundblad for the pick they used on Tarasenko

Okay, one example...Got another?

 

[Jovavic]

That's the big one that comes to mind, I'm sure Mayor Bee could do some research and get back to you lol