Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/LAK/PHI] Provorov (30% retain by LAK) to CBJ; Walker, Grans, Petersen, '23 LAK 1st, '24 LAK 2nd, '24 CBJ 2nd to PHI; Connauton, Hodgson to LAK

[ViD]

At the end of the day Columbus basically swapped Gavrikov with Provorov. Except that Gavrikov is going to make $6m per year for two years and Provorov is going to make $4.7m for two years. Except Provorov is experienced in playing big time minutes and Gavrikov is not. Except Provorov is experienced in QBing first PP unit and Gavrikov is not. Except Provorov has scored highlight reel goals and Gavrikov hasn’t.

Columbus did good here, oh they did.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

For CBJ and PHI this looks ok, though not sure CBJ has the guys to be going for it... but didn't have to spend much.

For the Kings this is quite a lot to give up for a cap dump of about $5.5 mil all told. The guys coming back are whatever.

 

[ProfessorFink22]

Not LA… Their cap situation forced them to do that otherwise no way Jose. Got to be a cheaper way to get rid of around 3 mil.
Clb will make the po with Provorov and will pay him 7+ on his next contract? Doubt it. Timing issue here. On a different team sure a mid 1st and a 2nd is fine.

I've seen teams pay more to shed cap than what LA paid, I don't think the price was all that huge. A B grade prospect won't move the needle for their window to win now. LA fans can tell me if I'm wrong?

Is that the barrometer for a 'win' from Columbus? They didn't pay the price for a 7+ million defensemen, they paid the price for a quality top four D-man who isn't exiting his prime. I think Provorov can be that, all percieved character issues aside... And at a very reasonable cap hit for the next two years.

There's not one single player, within the realm of possibility in the real world, who Columbus could trade for to instantly make the playoffs. This trade is one piece that takes them closer to the playoffs and fills in one of their largest weaknesses.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

ECHL goalies did badly but both Swedes did ok in Lehigh .911 and .900
Loved Lindblom
Older dudes like me remember Forsberg and Pelle.

Like the big Swedish defenders and wish they would have hung onto Oskar.

Forsberg’s best days were behind him as a Flyer but him and Gagne bring back fond memories as does Pelle Lindbergh, man what could have been, perhaps a cup in 87 if he were there.

 

[PDX Flyer]

At the end of the day Columbus basically swapped Gavrikov with Provorov. Except that Gavrikov is going to make $6m per year for two years and Provorov is going to make $4.7m for two years. Except Provorov is experienced in playing big time minutes and Gavrikov is not. Except Provorov is experienced in QBing first PP unit and Gavrikov is not. Except Provorov has scored highlight reel goals and Gavrikov hasn’t.

Columbus did good here, oh they did.

Huh? Outside of minutes what has Provorov done? Besides an outlier PP season like 5 years ago he has been awful on the PP. his goal tally that year had a lot more to do with the system and teammates, not him. He sucks on the PP.

His only good years are when Ghost and Niskanen covered him. He has never carried a defensive pair.

Big minutes? You know he played on the Flyers, right? They haven’t played a serious game in years

 

[sxvnert]

Kings.. I don’t know about this… feels like they paid a lot

Kings gave up Walker + 2 yrs of Provo retention ($2,025,000) to get rid of Cal Petersen (2yr @ 5m) albatross contract. Completely worth it.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Like the big Swedish defenders and wish they would have hung onto Oskar.

Forsberg’s best days were behind him as a Flyer but him and Gagne bring back fond memories as does Pelle Lindbergh, man what could have been, perhaps a cup in 87 if he were there.

Regarding 87, Hextall won the Conn Smythe on the losing team. I get your point about losing Pelle early but that doesn’t translate to 87

 

[Maurice of Orange]

For CBJ and PHI this looks ok, though not sure CBJ has the guys to be going for it... but didn't have to spend much.

For the Kings this is quite a lot to give up for a cap dump of about $5.5 mil all told. The guys coming back are whatever.

Columbus needs to address their goaltending next as they could use a tandem goalie if Merzlikins falters again, Columbus also needs some middle 6 centers something fierce as Roslovic and Sillinger aren’t cutting it.

If Roslovic doesn’t get his shit together he could find himself on the trading block and Sillinger would probably be more useful as a winger but if he had a line driver maybe another shot down the middle wouldn’t hurt.

 

[ViD]

Huh? Outside of minutes what has Provorov done? Besides an outlier PP season like 5 years ago he has been awful on the PP. his goal tally that year had a lot more to do with the system and teammates, not him. He sucks on the PP.

His only good years are when Ghost and Niskanen covered him. He has never carried a defensive pair.

Big minutes? You know he played on the Flyers, right? They haven’t played a serious game in years

Provorov was the defense of the Flyers since he got into their lineup. He has the second highest PPG only behind Ghost averaging 24 minutes per game.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Regarding 87, Hextall won the Conn Smythe on the losing team. I get your point about losing Pelle early but that doesn’t translate to 87

It was a great series I take nothing away from Hextall he did everything he could break dancing on his head but the Oilers were attacking from every direction.

Pelle was something special as he has more of a calming demeanor, Hexy was the opposite in the net and was wildly out of position at times to make the saves required.

Don’t want to get off track but if given a chance to talk about the players I grew up watching I’ll jump at the opportunity.

 

[traffic cone]

CBJ won this deal.

Provorov for at least two seasons with 30% retention. An UFA D like he him would fetch the same picks on deadline day.

And people thinking CBJ should rebuild clearly haven’t followed the team at all. Most injuries, worst coach, young team. It’s more likely that they are a playoff team next season than a non-playoff team.

PHI did good as well.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Kings gave up Walker + 2 yrs of Provo retention ($2,025,000) to get rid of Cal Petersen (2yr @ 5m) albatross contract. Completely worth it.

Remember when Petersen had a .924 save percentage in 11 games or a .922 save percentage in 8 games, good times.

Just noticed that, I haven’t even been spelling his last name right and that’s usually something I always try to get right with every player.

Cal’s time in Ontario probably didn’t seem much better by judging his stats with a .904 save percentage in 40 games, I didn’t catch any Ontario games this season so I didn’t see Petersen play much.

 

[JRichard]

Kings gave up Walker + 2 yrs of Provo retention ($2,025,000) to get rid of Cal Petersen (2yr @ 5m) albatross contract. Completely worth it.

And guy named Grans.
And 22nd pick has your logo in there so he must have been yours at some point.
And a 2nd
and lets not forget you got 2 old ahlers.

that would be the complete picture of your need to pay some more to resign Gavrikov (22nd pick). Never mind the 3rd in 24 you gave Clb.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Provorov was the defense of the Flyers since he got into their lineup. He has the second highest PPG only behind Ghost averaging 24 minutes per game.

I think there is a lot of context missing and the Flyers defense has been awful. As you said he has been their man guy so there is that. Just have to disagree. I’m glad with the return and I think it is best for the team to get his persona out.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Seems good for all three teams

 

[fsanford]

I've seen teams pay more to shed cap than what LA paid, I don't think the price was all that huge. A B grade prospect won't move the needle for their window to win now. LA fans can tell me if I'm wrong?

Is that the barrometer for a 'win' from Columbus? They didn't pay the price for a 7+ million defensemen, they paid the price for a quality top four D-man who isn't exiting his prime. I think Provorov can be that, all percieved character issues aside... And at a very reasonable cap hit for the next two years.

There's not one single player, within the realm of possibility in the real world, who Columbus could trade for to instantly make the playoffs. This trade is one piece that takes them closer to the playoffs and fills in one of their largest weaknesses.

They did not have get up Durzi or Roy honestly that was thought would be needed to get rid of Peterson.

Grans has been trending down, does not mean he cannot figure things out. D men can take longer. But there are a couple of guys ahead of them at the moment who are waiting their turn. Kings have an abundance of RHD's

To summarize they gave up a couple of salary dumps, a guy struggling in the AHL at the moment and a 2nd rounder. To secure Gavrikov.

If you want to go to original trade it was a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for a longer term Gavrikov, and a yet to be determined Korpisalo tenure. And not much else.

Kings also got some grit back in the deal which they absolutely need.
I am okay with it.

 

[ViD]

I think there is a lot of context missing and the Flyers defense has been awful. As you said he has been their man guy so there is that. Just have to disagree. I’m glad with the return and I think it is best for the team to get his persona out.

Well, I’m not saying he’s a Norris contender, but he’s an experienced guy who played as 1D and Columbus got him for a fairly cheap price and going to pay him $4.7m. So the risk/reward ratio is really good for the Jackets

 

[PDX Flyer]

Well, I’m not saying he’s a Norris contender, but he’s an experienced guy who played as 1D and Columbus got him for a fairly cheap price and going to pay him $4.7m. So the risk/reward ratio is really good for the Jackets

Yeah that is true. I’m not up to date on the Jackets blue line but if they can put him with a solid puck mover on the second pair it could work. I’ve just never seen him be the dominant partner on a pairing before

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Seems good for all three teams

Flyers had to start somewhere and this is a good start for Briere and the team.

The Flyers had to rebuild in order to eventually compete against our division rivals as teams like the Devils and Islanders have owned the Flyers it’s been difficult to watch, especially seeing Provorov on the power play or on a 3 on 3 OT.

Used to love watching the Flyers beat the Islanders and seeing all the Isles fans cry over just about everything, but lately they’ve just been shiting on the Flyers like they were nothing and laughing about it, Flyers need to make it competitive again. Sorry if I’ve dredged up bad memories.

 

[kingsfan28]

I've seen teams pay more to shed cap than what LA paid, I don't think the price was all that huge. A B grade prospect won't move the needle for their window to win now. LA fans can tell me if I'm wrong?

Is that the barrometer for a 'win' from Columbus? They didn't pay the price for a 7+ million defensemen, they paid the price for a quality top four D-man who isn't exiting his prime. I think Provorov can be that, all percieved character issues aside... And at a very reasonable cap hit for the next two years.

There's not one single player, within the realm of possibility in the real world, who Columbus could trade for to instantly make the playoffs. This trade is one piece that takes them closer to the playoffs and fills in one of their largest weaknesses.

The most important thing in this deal was getting rid of Petersens 5 mil cap albatros, and everyone knew it was going to cost them a prospect and a player. With the log jam at rhd, they moved one rhd Walker and his 2.4 mil cap, so a younger guy like Clarke could step in. Then moved Grans , another rhd, who was probably 4th on the depth chart in the minors and really had no shot in LA. I wished they'd kept the 2nd, but thats in 2024 and picks can always be recouped. Now they're sitting at about 13 mil in cap space which is more than enough to sign Gabrokov and others. All the team involved got what they needed as far as I'm concerned.

 

[The Madrigal]

Kings gave up Walker + 2 yrs of Provo retention ($2,025,000) to get rid of Cal Petersen (2yr @ 5m) albatross contract. Completely worth it.

Um, no. They gave up a future 2nd round pick and their 5th or 6th best prospect (Helge Grans) to free up 5.6 million in cap space this year (Jones and Walker 7.6 million - Provorov 2 million = 5.6 million) and then 3 million in 2024 (Jones 5 million = Provorov 2 million = 3 million).

 

[summer tooth]

Flyers defense looking a little worse for wear but it’s a start.
1st Pair LD Sanheim RD Walker
2nd Pair LD York RD Ristolainen
3rd Pair LD Seeler RD Attard
LD Zamula
RD Grans
RD DeAngelo < Trade or Buyout
—————————————————
Columbus defense looks reinvigorated with a fresh look.
1st Pair LD Werenski RD Peeke
2nd Pair LD Provorov RD Blankenburg
3rd Pair LD Svozil RD Gudbranson
LD Bean
RD Boqvist
RD Jiricek < More AHL development, will get looks.
—————————————————
LA making space to resign and bringing up the kids.
1st Pair LD Anderson RD Doughty
2nd Pair LD Gavrikov RD Roy
3rd Pair LD Durzi RD Clarke
RD Spence
LD Bjornfot
LD Moverare

It does seem like a fresh rejuvenation for CBJ and will be great having Werenski back too.

 

[Coffee]

There would’ve been riots in downtown Columbus now

The mayor wouldn’t allow it

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

I'll start by saying that I hate Rob Blake, and that he shouldn't be allowed to clean-up the mess that he made with these contracts, but a lot of people here have absolutely no idea how to value Kings players.

Firstly, if you fail to understand that Sean Walker is nothing more than a cap dump, you seriously don't watch the Kings. I didn't even want Walker taking 3rd pair minutes last season, and said repeatedly throughout the season that I'd have dumped him for a 7th if possible. He's a warm body 6th/7th defeseman making way too much money, period.

Grans is still a very young defenseman, and with those you never know who/what they might blossom into, but he's stagnated in the AHL and just had a poor season. His time was running out with the Kings as he was nowhere close to making the Kings roster (he alternated between 2nd and 3rd pairing of unimpressive play in Ontario). He's been passed by Spence at RD in Ontario, Clarke is turning pro, and Doughty and Roy aren't going anywhere. He needs a fresh start, and I hope this works for him, but he didn't have 2nd round value anymore.

In this trade the Kings traded a massively overpaid AHL goaltender, dumped a overpaid 6/7th defenseman, a 2nd round pick, and a stagnated prospect at a position of strength to open cap space. This is a good job by Blake to try and dig a bit out of the hole HE created, but he should still be fired

 

[The don godfather]

Jackets gold medal flyers silver medal kings bronze medal. That's how I see this trade.