Rumor: CBJ interested in Ryan Callahan

[Jackets16]

I believe what I said was "hasn't quite worked as planned", referring to the injuries Gaborik has suffered.

Read the Gaborik thread and you'll find me saying we should hold onto him because his offensive talents could be a wild card for this team in the playoffs.

Yes this team does have room to improve, but I don't think making moves is the right way to approach that improvment. Free agency, prospects, and maturation thats how you improve the right way in this league.

Fair enough

 

[brianhatesu]

I don't know if demanded is the right word but I do recall that it was essentially "handed" to him. I think Dougie Mac made the call to give it to him as a way to appease the star player and help in contract negotiations for his long term deal. I don't recall Hitchcock being involved

Doug was gone by the time Nash got the C and had nothing to do with contracts or making him happy. It was pretty much just handed to him, mainly by a lack of any other qualified people to take it.

 

[alphafox]

There is no way I would include a 1st for Callahan. Of course, I wouldn't take Callahan for free though. He is going to get paid WAY too much.

I can see that. From what I have seen of the 2014 class outside of maybe three guys your looking at second/third line tweeners, which is why I'm willing to trade the pick.

Additionally I am in the camp that Callahan is asking for that $ and term because 1) he is the captain of the team 2) he knows the rangers can afford it 3) he knows that he is the last leader on that team (Seriously, who is going to give the C too?) and 4) he has seen the rangers overpay guys considerably less valuable than him (Richards, Redden, Gomez). If he is simply set on the dollars and term rumored than I agree its not worth it to trade for him, however I'd much rather have Callahan @ 5.25 million than Umberger at 4.6 million.

 

[Crede777]

We added Gaborik and nobody was concerned with how he'd affect leadership in the locker room.

Nash should be similar. Just look at him as 30-40 goals in a season. Little else. Leave the leadership and the soldiering to guys like Johnson, Dubinsky, Foligno, etc. Let Nash sit in his corner and do whatever it is he does, provided he scores those goals.

 

[Jaxs]

I don't know if demanded is the right word but I do recall that it was essentially "handed" to him. I think Dougie Mac made the call to give it to him as a way to appease the star player and help in contract negotiations for his long term deal. I don't recall Hitchcock being involved

I remember Hitch giving Nash reading material on leadership over the summer after Foote abandoned ship.

 

[Jackets16]

I can see that. From what I have seen of the 2014 class outside of maybe three guys your looking at second/third line tweeners, which is why I'm willing to trade the pick.

Additionally I am in the camp that Callahan is asking for that $ and term because 1) he is the captain of the team 2) he knows the rangers can afford it 3) he knows that he is the last leader on that team (Seriously, who is going to give the C too?) and 4) he has seen the rangers overpay guys considerably less valuable than him (Richards, Redden, Gomez). If he is simply set on the dollars and term rumored than I agree its not worth it to trade for him, however I'd much rather have Callahan @ 5.25 million than Umberger at 4.6 million.

So, would I, but I don't think even the Rangers would take Umberger. So, we wouldn't have one or the other. We would likely have both.

 

[Samkow]

yeah..."a friend said" isn't good enough. PM one of the mods if you can verify your sources. If not, don't post it.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Doug was gone by the time Nash got the C and had nothing to do with contracts or making him happy. It was pretty much just handed to him, mainly by a lack of any other qualified people to take it.

You're right, my bad. I still think upcoming contract negotiations played into it.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I remember Hitch giving Nash reading material on leadership over the summer after Foote abandoned ship.

And Nash had already been named Captain in March before the previous season ended. Hitchcock was probably thinking that he's been given a leader who doesn't now how to lead.

Regardless of the semantics behind the situation, I think everyone can agree Nash was given the C because he was the best player, not because he was a leader.

 

[Jaxs]

And Nash had already been named Captain in March before the previous season ended. Hitchcock was probably thinking that he's been given a leader who doesn't now how to lead.

Regardless of the semantics behind the situation, I think everyone can agree Nash was given the C because he was the best player, not because he was a leader.

Agree on both points.

 

[Derby]

And Nash had already been named Captain in March before the previous season ended. Hitchcock was probably thinking that he's been given a leader who doesn't now how to lead.

Regardless of the semantics behind the situation, I think everyone can agree Nash was given the C because he was the best player, not because he was a leader.

Agreed, but that's not even remotely close to "demanded" . And who can blame a young kid for accepting that honor? It's not his fault they offered it to him because he was the best player, is it?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

This entire situation is uncomfortable. Stay pat please.

 

[alphafox]

Honestly what I'm really hoping for is that the Callahan talk is a smoke screen for a Girardi trade. He would add a needed element to the Blue line.

 

[Viqsi]

Gobsmacked that there are posters out there who want Nash back considering the change in this teams fortunes since he left.

He'd be supporting cast for the first time in his NHL career. I wouldn't trade much in the way of real assets to get him, but he'd be great otherwise.

* * *​

Umberger has to be included, I think most would rather have Callahan at a bit more than Umby at his current deal.

Callahan produces at the same or lower rate than Umby, is smaller, is more frequently injured, and wants about half again the cash for two more years, and folks prefer him?

Holy jumping hell, people. This is barking insanity. It's like asking "which would you prefer - Shea Weber at $6m/year or James Wisniewski at $9m/year" and folks are picking Wiz.

 

[EDM]

I cannot understand how anyone would want Callahan over RJ. Yes, RJ had a very, very bad year last year. This year he is third on the team in scoring. He is in shape and playing well. He still is a leader. I just can't understand why people can't get past his bad year last year.

 

[Viqsi]

I cannot understand how anyone would want Callahan over RJ. Yes, RJ had a very, very bad year last year. This year he is third on the team in scoring. He is in shape and playing well. He still is a leader. I just can't understand why people can't get past his bad year last year.

EDM and I agree?

Okay, that clinches it. The idea is confirmed to be absurd. Time to move on.

 

[pete goegan]

...Callahan produces at the same or lower rate than Umby, is smaller, is more frequently injured, and wants about half again the cash for two more years, and folks prefer him?

Holy jumping hell, people. This is barking insanity. It's like asking "which would you prefer - Shea Weber at $6m/year or James Wisniewski at $9m/year" and folks are picking Wiz.

I cannot understand how anyone would want Callahan over RJ. Yes, RJ had a very, very bad year last year. This year he is third on the team in scoring. He is in shape and playing well. He still is a leader. I just can't understand why people can't get past his bad year last year.

I prefer RJ to Callahan, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see Umberger replaced. I'm not just going on past performances, I'm making my judgement based on what I see on the ice this season. I don't think he's skilled enough to be a top six player on this team, anymore. Obviously, he's not useless garbage, as some seem to think, but his poor hands frequently make him the place rushes go to die and I think he holds back his linemates. I suppose you could switch him with Atkinson on the third line and play him with Calvert and Dubinsky, but it seems like Cam plays best when with those two. Unfortunately, he's paid too much to play on the fourth line.

This is just my opinion, clearly not shared by Todd Richards, the front office, and some here. I like him, personally - he's from my home area, graduated from my university, and seems to be a nice guy - and I'll continue to root for his success. I just don't have much confidence in him.

 

[Kev22]

Channeling my inner Ned Braden, I don't believe a word of that Callahan ****. While he fits the mold style wise, his salary demands do not. Acquiring and then signing Callahan would hamstring this franchise. If people have problems with Umberger's contract, imagine the albatross that Callahan would become.

The club's money is going to be tied up on contract extensions for Johansen (he's going to get a big deal), Atkinson, Jenner, Murray and the like in the future. Bringing on Callahan would severly hamper our ability to keep our own. GMJK is looking to acquire long term players that fit our salary structure and Callahan just simply doesn't fit.

As for Umberger, I've been for trading him for a long time, but I don't think it would be a good move at this point. He's played well and if we make the playoffs, he's proven that he's a performer when the lights are the brightest.

 

[cslebn]

Honestly what I'm really hoping for is that the Callahan talk is a smoke screen for a Girardi trade. He would add a needed element to the Blue line.

I like this.

 

[blahblah]

Honestly what I'm really hoping for is that the Callahan talk is a smoke screen for a Girardi trade. He would add a needed element to the Blue line.

I like this.

I like the player, but what "needed element" is that? I've watched him over the years and while he's a good player, I'm not sure why we need or what to add him to an already over crowed mix.

He's a big minute guy and pretty durable. You'd have to replace someone. I guess the candidate would be Tyutin. You aren't buying much, age wise, and you probably aren't saving any dollars (probably spending more of just as long if not longer contract).

JJ has worked himself, over the last 3 months, to an almost plus player.

What are we looking to fix here? Our defense still makes some mistakes, but I don't see it being all the grievous in nature. I see just as bad, if not worse, from defensive players on a regular basis from teams around the league.

This doesn't even touch my belief in that I don't think the Ranger have an interest in moving him.

As far as Callahan goes, if you bring him in it's for leadership I guess. It's certainly not to fill any holes in your offense. I still haven't figure out who we want him to replace in the lineup.

 

[Fro]

its more that most of us believe we could use a solid vet blueliner for the playoff run...not that the team needs a dman per se, but that another vet who's been there that can help...

 

[Samkow]

I don't care what you overheard at the R-Bar urinals, this team doesn't need (nor do see them being interested) in a blueline upgrade. I'll be somewhat pissed if they take that route.

Stay the course on the blueline (at least until the summer)

 

[Cash for Nash]

I like this.

I've been saying this for a few days now. Wouldn't have any problem fitting in seeing as how half are ex-teammates. And he's from the same hometown as Mr. Horton.

I just couldn't imagine Sather sending another star player here. He would really have to win the trade. And believe they are better off without him considering the cost.

Be a great fit though.

 

[Jackets16]

While he fits the mold style wise, his salary demands do not. Acquiring and then signing Callahan would hamstring this franchise. If people have problems with Umberger's contract, imagine the albatross that Callahan would become.

The club's money is going to be tied up on contract extensions for Johansen (he's going to get a big deal), Atkinson, Jenner, Murray and the like in the future. Bringing on Callahan would severly hamper our ability to keep our own. GMJK is looking to acquire long term players that fit our salary structure and Callahan just simply doesn't fit.

I agree

 

[CBJWerenski8]

What I am REALLY hoping for is this is all a smokescreen by Jarmo to scare the team into continuing to play well. I bet they don't want big changes either.