CBJ Board Other Sports Thread: Part VIII

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FANonymous

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Taking this from THE Ohio State University's own code of ethics:



http://www.ohiostatealumni.org/WHOWEARE/Pages/CodeOfEthics.aspx

So, this does not apply to football players? And what athlete do you know of - in any major sport - that doesn't consider themselves a role model to young children? How many kids do you see sporting Ohio State gear every day? You would have to be an idiot to not think that dawning one of those jerseys would pin you to a higher set of standards.

Rofl, really? Code of ethics pages? The software terms of service agreements of the college world? That's your argument?

Look, you want to look up to people who run fast. Go for it. Personally I think that's stupid, but hey, it's your life, who am I to judge. But to get mad when someone who is only there to play football, and only there to play football because there is no proper farm league for the NFL where he could go, play and get paid real money instead of scholarships, does something you don't agree with well, I guess I'd suggest you find a better role model.
 

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You could take the same advice here. You're defending a unanimously reprehensible action.

Where am I defending it? Where I'm saying if he gets punished it should go further up the ladder too? You must be the kind of person who would break up a dog-fighting ring and only punish the dogs then.
 

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- Distance himself from his atrociously bad disciplinary record at Florida, which saw numerous players with pretty serious legal issues that he never really much cared to address

this is the only part i'll somewhat disagree with...while the track record was spotty, he suspended players many times for big games...now why he let some players (excuse the poor cliche) get away with murder...players like Carlos Dunlap being suspended for being drunk sitting in his car, chris rainey suspended after texting "time to die" to his gf, solomon patton suspended multiple games for having alcohol when under 21, and the list goes on and on of players he DID suspend
 

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Look, you want to look up to people who run fast. Go for it. Personally I think that's stupid, but hey, it's your life, who am I to judge. But to get mad when someone who is only there to play football, and only there to play football because there is no proper farm league for the NFL where he could go, play and get paid real money instead of scholarships, does something you don't agree with well, I guess I'd suggest you find a better role model.

85 scholarship players per team. 126 D-1A teams. 10,710 players, not including walk-ons who play anyway.

How many of them gave a crowd the finger this year?
 

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this is the only part i'll somewhat disagree with...while the track record was spotty, he suspended players many times for big games...now why he let some players (excuse the poor cliche) get away with murder...players like Carlos Dunlap being suspended for being drunk sitting in his car, chris rainey suspended after texting "time to die" to his gf, solomon patton suspended multiple games for having alcohol when under 21, and the list goes on and on of players he DID suspend

I'm surprised at you. Years of following an SEC school doesn't seem to have taught that simple lesson: among our own kind, we will argue and point out the flaws in each others' programs and players nonstop. But when others are around, we all band together to defend each other.

Then when they leave, it's back to sniping.
 

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oh i get that...but i can't stand blind arguing...urbs has a lot of grey to him...i'm still trying to figure out the true reason he left UF...and from what i've been told, it wasn't due to esophigel spasms...

i'm just already to the point where instead of not really caring, i'm not swaying towards hoping AU jumps OSU...i understand wanting your team in the BCS game, but there are too many on twitter and facebook (and here) saying there's ZERO chance Auburn jumps them...the 16th ranked SOS means they played MUCH tougher opponents, and to come out with only 1 loss...is quite impressive...
 

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i'm just already to the point where instead of not really caring, i'm not swaying towards hoping AU jumps OSU...i understand wanting your team in the BCS game, but there are too many on twitter and facebook (and here) saying there's ZERO chance Auburn jumps them...the 16th ranked SOS means they played MUCH tougher opponents, and to come out with only 1 loss...is quite impressive...

Here's how I see it.

Let's say that Boise State came into the year ranked #3, and Ohio State was unranked. OSU slowly picks their way up; they suffer an early loss to Wisconsin, who then stumbles. OSU goes into the last week of the regular season with a 10-1 record. They're #4 in the country, and playing #1. If they beat #1, they get to play #5 the very next week. And if they beat those two teams, they'll still end up behind Boise State, who would only be playing their toughest game that week against a team outside the top 10 (but still their highest-ranked opponent of the year). Play a tougher schedule all year, end up 12-1, close by beating #1 and #5, and still end up behind a team that played exactly one team of consequence who also happened to have an offense ranked in the bottom 1/3 of all of D-1A.

I'm pretty sure that Columbus would be burned to the ground if their #4 team beat #1 and #5 in consecutive weeks and didn't leapfrog #2. The fans certainly wouldn't be saying, "Ah, that's the system. What can you do?" No, I'd have to believe that the idea of "just sit there and accept it" would be as far removed from reality as possible.
 
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85 scholarship players per team. 126 D-1A teams. 10,710 players, not including walk-ons who play anyway.

How many of them gave a crowd the finger this year?

Again. You're stating numbers without making a point. "1 guy gave an extremely hostile crowd the finger so..."

Just finish the sentence so that we can actually have a discussion. I'm not interested in guessing what you mean. What do you want him to do? Write a formal apology? Dance a jig for you? Do the worm down the entire length of I-70? I can't believe people are choosing to get so pissy about an arbitrary finger.
 

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oh i get that...but i can't stand blind arguing...urbs has a lot of grey to him...i'm still trying to figure out the true reason he left UF...and from what i've been told, it wasn't due to esophigel spasms...

i'm just already to the point where instead of not really caring, i'm not swaying towards hoping AU jumps OSU...i understand wanting your team in the BCS game, but there are too many on twitter and facebook (and here) saying there's ZERO chance Auburn jumps them...the 16th ranked SOS means they played MUCH tougher opponents, and to come out with only 1 loss...is quite impressive...

Just to be clear I'm not saying there's no chance OSU gets jumped due to being a homer, but because I know how the system works. The BCS is flawed and it's gone after this year, but someone that should get a shot is always going to be left out most years. Can't wait for the who's number 4 fights next year. The SEC has played the system well the past 7 years, but this year something they were not counting on happen, two non-SEC BCS schools going undefeated and under this system two undefeated BCS teams are always going to beat out a one loss team.

The big schools need to break away from the NCAA and form a true playoff system of their own.
 

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Just to be clear I'm not saying there's no chance OSU gets jumped due to being a homer, but because I know how the system works. The BCS is flawed and it's gone after this year, but someone that should get a shot is always going to be left out most years. Can't wait for the who's number 4 fights next year. The SEC has played the system well the past 7 years, but this year something they were not counting on happen, two non-SEC BCS schools going undefeated and under this system two undefeated BCS teams are always going to beat out a one loss team.

Since the 2006 season, which is what kicked off the SEC's seven-year run, there has been one team that "played the system" by coming in ranked #1 and then playing in the national championship game. That team was OSU, who lost in said game by a 41-14 score.

The big schools need to break away from the NCAA and form a true playoff system of their own.

I do not support this one bit. If the larger schools were to break away and form their own separate system, here's what would happen.
- Roughly half of D-1A would drop down to 1-AA. Since the lower level has a 65 scholarship limit instead of 85, the only options would be to either raise the limit for 1-AA up to 85 or force the new school to drop down.
- Since the 1-AA schools wouldn't have the cash to be able to raise up to 85, it would be a drop.
- Since about 60 schools would be dropping a level, that's around 1,200 students who would lose their scholarship. For a lot of kids, that's the only way that they're even able to be in college in the first place. Not everyone can afford to sacrifice four years and huge amounts of student loan debt if they're chasing something that goes from "possible NFL dream" to "complete pipe dream".
- There would doubtless be a penalty or simply a disincentive of some type for 1-A schools playing 1-AA schools. This would mean that the new 1-AA schools wouldn't be able to collect four checks of between $600,000 and $1,000,000 every year, which basically keeps their entire athletic department afloat.
- In the absence of a solvent athletic department, it would create a cascade effect of cuts to programs, with football being among the first on the chopping block (since cutting those 65 scholarships would also allow for 65 from women's sports, and since maintaining a football program that stands no chance of doing anything makes no sense).
- That would put 130 more kids out, multiplied by however many schools see the writing on the wall....you get the idea.

I can't stand the "split 'em up!" argument. To me, it strikes me as something propagated by fans of larger schools who want to simply steamroll 60+ schools and countless numbers of kids just to get whatever they want.
 

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Clearly how we define playing the system is totally different.

The rest again I did not read. I'm not saying I support the idea, but if you want a true champ that's the only way it's going to happen.

Ok this time I'm done.
 

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85 scholarship players per team. 126 D-1A teams. 10,710 players, not including walk-ons who play anyway.

How many of them gave a crowd the finger this year?

Probably less than there are rapists, thieves and felons (who continue to play without interdiction from their schools or conferences)

I don't understand the outrage. I've been to the big house for the game twice. Being flipped off was the least of my concerns. As a representative of the university, I knew better than not to do it. This guy didn't. Big deal. No one cares except people who want to ***** about everything OSU does. The kid already missed 3/4 of one game as punishment. Besides, the final say comes from Gene Smith and the Big 10. Maybe we should wait on Monday to see what happens before going crazy with fury over the actions of some 20 year old kid in the heat of the moment. IMO, he'll probably get suspended for at least a quarter if not the game on Saturday. I don't think the outcome of the game depends on it either way, so damned if I can understand how OSU doing or not doing anything amounts to anything except another reason to complain.

Oh, and Auburn and their fans and the SEC and their fans can stop whining already. I don't care that they beat #1. Maybe they shouldn't have lost to 9-3 LSU. Winning is what matters, and they slipped up. Tough nuts. The system, as it is today, is not about giving second chances. Lose and you're done. There have been a lot of 10-2 teams that could have beaten the eventual national champion in their years...but that isn't how it works. May as well start coping with it now. If F$U or OSU slip up between now and then, sure, they have an argument, but as long as they have a 0 in the right hand column, anything else said about it is just whining.
 

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while sure,i get the undefeated thing, i still say losing once with a 16th ranked SOS is more impressive than not losing with the 60th ranked one...
 

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How sad is it that the most interesting current topic on HF-CBJ is about a football player flipping the bird.

Does the CBJ even HAVE a player fired up enough to flip the bird?
 

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while sure,i get the undefeated thing, i still say losing once with a 16th ranked SOS is more impressive than not losing with the 60th ranked one...

Does it matter that the one loss was to a team that was beaten three times and that the last two victories were on the last plays of the games and contained more than just a little luck?

The BCS is a flawed system and it should not be expected to produce a true champion. Florida State's SoS is even worse than OSU, but nobody seems to be questioning their right to be in the championship game. Hell, Duke's been charmed, this year, I'd love to see them humble the Seminoles in the ACC title game!

OSU is 1 for 3 in title games under this format. How many other teams would wish to have that record of success? Michigan State will be a good test for them, as will Missouri for Auburn. Let the chips fall where they may and the arguments continue, ad nauseam!
 

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How sad is it that the most interesting current topic on HF-CBJ is about a football player flipping the bird.

Does the CBJ even HAVE a player fired up enough to flip the bird?

I don't think that's quite fair, Jf. Though the Jackets can't seem to muster the energy to consistently play solid hockey, I have no doubt that one (or even two!) of them could work up the strength to raise a single digit. Considering their long history of failure, though, I'm not so sure they could manage to put up the correct one.
 

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i don't think anyone is questioning FSU for their schedule b/c they're blowing out opponents they should be, not letting them score with them...they blew out a then #3 Clemson in Death Valley and from that point on they were deemed worthy...that's a noteworthy win...

to bring some levity here, on the way into work i was flipping stations and landed on 97.9 for a second until I heard Jimmy Jam say that the talking heads at ESPN have no clue about the OSU/Mich rivalry...that Jesse Palmer doesn't know, and then said KIRK HERBSTREIT doesn't know about the rivalry....ummmm SERIOUSLY????

I get that many OSU fans refer to him as a fake buckeye, but to say he doesn't understand the rivalry, didn't he play in it 4x???
 

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i don't think anyone is questioning FSU for their schedule b/c they're blowing out opponents they should be, not letting them score with them...they blew out a then #3 Clemson in Death Valley and from that point on they were deemed worthy...that's a noteworthy win...

to bring some levity here, on the way into work i was flipping stations and landed on 97.9 for a second until I heard Jimmy Jam say that the talking heads at ESPN have no clue about the OSU/Mich rivalry...that Jesse Palmer doesn't know, and then said KIRK HERBSTREIT doesn't know about the rivalry....ummmm SERIOUSLY????

I get that many OSU fans refer to him as a fake buckeye, but to say he doesn't understand the rivalry, didn't he play in it 4x???

I'm sure that untr00 buckeye will have the nerve to criticize Hall for the middle finger when it's clearly all of our faults. :shakehead
 

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They do? Sometimes I get the feeling I'm the only sane fan of that team!

yup...had one guy on twitter tell me he's an outsider to the program...i don't get it...he's in a tough position, say something positive, he's a homer, say something negative, he's a fake buckeye...but the guy is paid to talk unbiasedly...he's one of the few i thought did a decent job...
 

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I'm not sure how you can suspend him when it's the schools, the coaches and the media constantly pumping up the whole rivalry angle. If it wasn't the most important game of the season, things like this likely wouldn't happen, but when you ram it down the throats of both sides that losing this game in any fashion is unacceptable, it's easy to have these types of violent emotional outbursts. This rivalry is not currently built on mutual respect, it's built on animosity and hatred.

So you're saying it's this guy's fault that some OSU player flipped off the crowd?

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So you're saying it's this guy's fault that some OSU player flipped off the crowd?

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I'm saying punishing the kid who flipped the bird alone, is the same as breaking up a dog-fighting ring and punishing only the dogs. It doesn't make any sense. You want to punish him? Fine. Just make sure you punish the media, coaches and fans who built this into what it is now as well, otherwise you're accomplishing nothing.
 

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yup...had one guy on twitter tell me he's an outsider to the program...i don't get it...he's in a tough position, say something positive, he's a homer, say something negative, he's a fake buckeye...but the guy is paid to talk unbiasedly...he's one of the few i thought did a decent job...

Herby is one of only a few things I like about College Football.

On a side note; this was the first OSU game I've watched, from beginning to end, in about 3 or 4 years. With that condition, I will say that team doesn't deserve a national title shot. Missed tackles, blown coverages. We couldn't stop a screen. Our kickoff and punt coverage was poor. The only thing that saved us, outside of Michigan not being able to stop the run, was some idiotic decisions on the Michigan sideline.
 

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I'm saying punishing the kid who flipped the bird alone, is the same as breaking up a dog-fighting ring and punishing only the dogs. It doesn't make any sense. You want to punish him? Fine. Just make sure you punish the media, coaches and fans who built this into what it is now as well, otherwise you're accomplishing nothing.

I'm fine with punishing Woody Hayes for that player flipping the bird to the crowd. Let's suspend him for the rest of the season. And Tim May, Clay Hall, the BTN, that drunk UM coach who got fired, my buddy Leo the Michigan fan, my friend Tom who posted "Go Blue" on his FB page. Suspend 'em all.
 
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