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I am totally prepared to see Ohio State at 4 tomorrow, behind FSU, Auburn and Alabama. I wouldn't agree with it, and I know it would take quite the voting jumble, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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It will be interesting to see how it shakes down ... Ohio State will have to beat MSU next week to make it all matter anyhow. Who's to say Auburn wins the SEC at this point? Either Mizzou or A&M are a good bet to push them; some real wildcards there.
As for the suspension (or potential of); I have to think that it's a 1 game gesture ... simply no place for that.
As for the suspension (or potential of); I have to think that it's a 1 game gesture ... simply no place for that.
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I think this is most likely, but it'll be close.
For OSU to get into the title game cleanly, they would need:
- To hammer MSU. Anything within two touchdowns won't cut it, AND
- South Carolina to beat Clemson tonight [SC wins 31-17], AND
- Texas A&M to beat Missouri (this would put South Carolina into the SEC championship game), AND
- South Carolina to beat Auburn next week, AND
- FSU to lose against Duke
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Here's one guy's thought:
BCS National Championship
Florida State vs. Ohio State
Jan. 6, 8:30 p.m.| Pasadena, Calif.
Matchup Analysis
In the final year of the BCS, No. 1 Florida State will take on No. 2 Ohio State in the BCS Championship Game. -- Jerry Palm
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
BCS National Championship
Florida State vs. Ohio State
Jan. 6, 8:30 p.m.| Pasadena, Calif.
Matchup Analysis
In the final year of the BCS, No. 1 Florida State will take on No. 2 Ohio State in the BCS Championship Game. -- Jerry Palm
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
Fro
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i think if Auburn beats Mizzou by anything more than 10, their strength of schedule will come into play over OSU's (as of last week 38 vs 60)...the weak big10 will be the downfall of their chances...
1857 Howitzer
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Don't listen to anyone who says a 1 lose SEC team will jump a 13-0 OSU team. All OSU needs to do is win and their in.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/bcs
Looks like we should all(or at least everyone but the OSU haters) be Mizzou fans in the SEC championship game. Kind of close and if Auburn wins it they could jump us although it would still be very close.
Looks like we should all(or at least everyone but the OSU haters) be Mizzou fans in the SEC championship game. Kind of close and if Auburn wins it they could jump us although it would still be very close.
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Look at the totality of the schedules:
Ohio State's non conference opponents were Buffalo (8-4 in the MAC), California (1-11 in the Pac-12), San Diego State (7-5 in the Mountain West), and Florida A&M (3-9 in the D-1AA MEAC). Auburn's were Washington State (6-6 in the Pac-12), Arkansas State (7-5 in the Sun Belt), Florida Atlantic (6-6 in Conference USA), and Western Carolina (2-10 in the D-1AA Southern Conference). Missouri's were Murray State (6-6 in the D-1AA Ohio Valley Conference), Toledo (7-5 in the MAC), Arkansas State (7-5 in the Sun Belt), and Indiana (5-7 in the B1G). Missouri gets the edge here, followed by Auburn (barely) over Ohio State. I figure that Western Carolina and Florida A&M are a wash, the other non-BCS conference games are a wash, and obviously Washington State gets the edge over California.
In conference, OSU defeated bowl-eligible teams Wisconsin, Penn State, and Iowa; the only ranked team defeated was Wisconsin (who's 9-3). Their best win is against Wisconsin. They play Michigan State this week, who has the 86th-ranked offense in the country. Obviously it's an impressive defense, but that's a feeble offense.
In conference, Auburn defeated bowl-eligible teams Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Georgia, and Alabama. Ranked teams defeated are Alabama and Texas A&M. Their best win is against Alabama, who was ranked #1 and had won 25 consecutive games (including a national championship). They have a loss to LSU, which is both bowl-eligible and ranked in the top 15. Their opponent this week is Missouri, who will be ranked around #5 and has the nation's 18th-ranked offense.
In conference, Missouri defeated bowl-eligible teams Vanderbilt, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M. Texas A&M is ranked. They have a loss to South Carolina, who is both bowl-eligible and ranked in the top 10; this loss was in overtime and was with their backup QB. Their best win was probably against Georgia, ranked #7 at the time; they lost starting QB James Franklin, but still pulled away and turned a nail-biter into a 15-point win. Their opponent this week is Auburn, who will be ranked around #3 and has the nation's 16th-ranked offense.
Looking at the totality of the schedules so far, I think it's impossible to simply say "13-0 trumps 12-1" without any consideration for anything else. And if the computers have the SEC champion higher and the human polls have OSU higher, I think it's clear that there's a new anti-SEC bias at work, or else some type of manipulation taking place to ensure a certain matchup, or whatever else you guys have been saying for the last seven years.
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Rank every team in the SEC 1-15 and of course the top teams at the end of the season will have wins over ranked opponents...
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I' only posted currently-ranked teams. If we were going by "ranked at the time", then I'd point out that OSU beat #16 Northwestern....#16 Northwestern who went 1-7 in B1G play, with that one win being a 37-34 win over Illinois (who was also 1-7 in-conference and 4-8 overall).
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OSU's lead over Auburn for 2nd is 25 points in both polls (obviously the AP poll doesn't matter for BCS)
Jeff Svoboda @JeffSvoboda 15m
At least 46 of 62 coaches have OSU ahead of Auburn. But three coaches ranked OSU fifth and one had them at No. 6, per USA Today.
Chuck Dunlap @SEC_Chuck
Final regular season NCAA Strength of Schedule rankings: AU 16, MIZ 43, ALA 66, OSU 80, FSU 85.
Jeff Svoboda @JeffSvoboda 15m
At least 46 of 62 coaches have OSU ahead of Auburn. But three coaches ranked OSU fifth and one had them at No. 6, per USA Today.
Chuck Dunlap @SEC_Chuck
Final regular season NCAA Strength of Schedule rankings: AU 16, MIZ 43, ALA 66, OSU 80, FSU 85.
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Sorry Mayor not going to read all of that. The simple fact is if OSU wins they will be number 2 in both human polls and there is no way the computer polls can make up for that and put the SEC winner into the number 2 spot. You can debate if this is right or wrong all you want, but that's not going to chance the fact that a 13-0 OSU team will be in the title game.
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I'm not debating or arguing anything at this point. We still have a couple of pretty big (and relevant) games to be played in six days.
And don't worry; I'm already prepared for all scenarios.
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The point still stands. If the SEC has the top 3/4's of their conference with a ranking at the beginning of a year it shifts perception. A team that loses to a ranked team isn't judged as harshly or dropped as far as one who loses to an unranked team. Likewise beating an unranked team yields less praise than beating a ranked one.
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On the flip side, a team that comes in ranked highly and then has a couple of losses (especially early), it's a lot tougher to maintain a higher rank than a team that starts lower and spreads out losses.
You make it sound like 3/4 of the SEC was actually ranked in the preseason this year, which isn't true. The consensus top-5 coming into the year was Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon/Stanford, and Texas A&M.
Other ranked preseason SEC teams: Florida (around #10), Georgia (around #6), LSU (around #15), South Carolina (around #7). That's a grand total of 6/14 SEC schools that had any type of preseason ranking. Notice that Auburn and Missouri are both missing from this list.
Ranked preseason B1G teams: Michigan (around #15), Michigan State (around #25), Northwestern (around #23), and Wisconsin (around #22). That's 6/12 B1G teams, meaning that the B1G actually had a higher percentage of their conference ranked coming into the year than the SEC.
And if we start getting into the issue of who was ranked when they were beaten, this actually favors OSU more than both Auburn and Missouri. Missouri's only top-10 opponent at the time was Georgia; they played Florida after the Gators had a couple of losses, and the SC loss came after the Gamecocks had fallen out of the top 20 entirely. Auburn's previous big win (Georgia) came after the Bulldogs had completely peed down their own leg, and barely beating them didn't help them at all. OSU beat Wisconsin and Northwestern when both were ranked; Wisconsin is now 21 and Northwestern isn't even ranked at all.
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That's a great way to spin it isn't it? Both conferences had the same number of teams in the preseason 25, but because the SEC has more teams in the conference so the B1G has a higher percentage. But what about WHERE they were ranked? Let's not pretend that 5 teams in the top 10 is the same as 5 teams collected primarily in the back half of the top 25.
Fro
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harris poll just came out...OSU at 2 with wider gap than Coaches poll (like 60 points) but AU had 3 1st place votes, OSU had 5...next weekend will be interesting...
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Meyer won't suspend ejected Ohio State players
https://twitter.com/13abc/status/407249680511168512
http://www.13abc.com/story/24106375...ected-ohio-state-players#.UpugbwzYa_k.twitter
https://twitter.com/13abc/status/407249680511168512
http://www.13abc.com/story/24106375...ected-ohio-state-players#.UpugbwzYa_k.twitter
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I'm not sure I can add a lot to what you already know. Sparty has a decent D. I say decent because they have not been tested. OSU's offense should certainly provide a good test.
I worry most about OSU's tight ends getting loose down the middle of the field. Sparty seems to over-commit their linebackers to the run and leaves the middle susceptible to slants, or tight ends and running backs slipping in behind them.
A lot gets said about Sparty's DBs being very good, but again, they haven't faced the kind of speed OSU is gonna throw at 'em. Dennard #31 is probably the best one, but he got a bit dinged up against Minnesota. He'll play, but I don't know how close he'll be to 100%.
As advertised, Sparty's offense is just pitiful. I mean downright painful to watch. Nearly lost my TV a couple times this season. Running game is starting to come around a little, but the D got 3 turnovers against Minnesota and the O only put up 14 total points.
I'm just hoping the D can keep Sparty in the game, and the O doesn't eff it up for them. Dantonio is usually good for a few curveballs in big games, so it could be entertaining.
Sparty On!
I worry most about OSU's tight ends getting loose down the middle of the field. Sparty seems to over-commit their linebackers to the run and leaves the middle susceptible to slants, or tight ends and running backs slipping in behind them.
A lot gets said about Sparty's DBs being very good, but again, they haven't faced the kind of speed OSU is gonna throw at 'em. Dennard #31 is probably the best one, but he got a bit dinged up against Minnesota. He'll play, but I don't know how close he'll be to 100%.
As advertised, Sparty's offense is just pitiful. I mean downright painful to watch. Nearly lost my TV a couple times this season. Running game is starting to come around a little, but the D got 3 turnovers against Minnesota and the O only put up 14 total points.
I'm just hoping the D can keep Sparty in the game, and the O doesn't eff it up for them. Dantonio is usually good for a few curveballs in big games, so it could be entertaining.
Sparty On!
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Here is another story on the ejection / suspension issue. Noticed he didn't mention Braxton by name, "...another person who came off the bench..."
http://espn.go.com/college-football...keyes-players-marcus-hall-dontre-wilson-fight
http://espn.go.com/college-football...keyes-players-marcus-hall-dontre-wilson-fight
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Failing to suspend for the fight is fine; the ejections (in my opinion) are sufficient punishment. But in the case of Hall, you cannot give the finger to the crowd no matter what happens on the field. That's a separate incident from the fight.
Two years ago, Mark Dantonio didn't do anything about William Gholston's two consecutive personal fouls (one for a punch), so the B1G stepped in and suspended him for the next game.
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