CBJ Board Other Sports Thread: Part VIII

[FANonymous]

Failing to suspend for the fight is fine; the ejections (in my opinion) are sufficient punishment. But in the case of Hall, you cannot give the finger to the crowd no matter what happens on the field. That's a separate incident from the fight.

Two years ago, Mark Dantonio didn't do anything about William Gholston's two consecutive personal fouls (one for a punch), so the B1G stepped in and suspended him for the next game.

I'm not sure how you can suspend him when it's the schools, the coaches and the media constantly pumping up the whole rivalry angle. If it wasn't the most important game of the season, things like this likely wouldn't happen, but when you ram it down the throats of both sides that losing this game in any fashion is unacceptable, it's easy to have these types of violent emotional outbursts. This rivalry is not currently built on mutual respect, it's built on animosity and hatred.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I'm not sure how you can suspend him when it's the schools, the coaches and the media constantly pumping up the whole rivalry angle. If it wasn't the most important game of the season, things like this likely wouldn't happen, but when you ram it down the throats of both sides that losing this game in any fashion is unacceptable, it's easy to have these types of violent emotional outbursts. This rivalry is not currently built on mutual respect, it's built on animosity and hatred.

"....and how can you fire Woody Hayes for punching a Clemson linebacker? His team played poorly in a big game, and he was just frustrated."

"How can the Big Ten suspend Rob Reynolds? It's a rivalry game, and choking an opposing player when you have the chance is something that's just bound to happen!"

We're not talking about some 18-year-old true freshman here. This is a fifth-year senior and a starter who certainly knows better. There are some lines that are not to be crossed under any conditions, and giving a double-barreled finger to the crowd is one of them. Hell, if I were to post the unblurred picture here, it would be removed immediately and I'd be infracted.

 

[Samkow]

I'm not sure how you can suspend him when it's the schools, the coaches and the media constantly pumping up the whole rivalry angle. If it wasn't the most important game of the season, things like this likely wouldn't happen, but when you ram it down the throats of both sides that losing this game in any fashion is unacceptable, it's easy to have these types of violent emotional outbursts. This rivalry is not currently built on mutual respect, it's built on animosity and hatred.

You should give somebody the double middle-finger at work during a high-pressure time and use that excuse.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[FANonymous]

You should give somebody the double middle-finger at work during a high-pressure time and use that excuse.

Let us know how it goes.

I'll give it right here.

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If you suspend a child for doing what you taught him to do, which is to take this game as more than just a game, then you should be held accountable as well. You think they're going to suspend any of the media attention given to the game? You think the coaches are going to face any serious repercussions? Give me a break.

This entire situation was created by more than just the players, so why should just the players be held responsible?

 

[Sore Loser]

You should give somebody the double middle-finger at work during a high-pressure time and use that excuse.

This should be the end of this argument, because it's absolutely correct.

Look, at 22 years old, I was a working American citizen. Heck, I was already married at that point ... I certainly knew better than to flip anyone off unless I wanted to pay a price. He's no kid - he's old enough to drink, old enough to be a college graduate in the spring (at which point, it just becomes life) ... he knows better. You can't go around acting like a jackass, I don't care how stressful the situation is.

EDIT: and before anyone goes ranting about how I've never been in a stressful sports situation, I will mention that I was once a TEENAGE athlete, who certainly knew better than to flip off an opposing crowd ... even at 15 or 16.

 

[FANonymous]

This should be the end of this argument, because it's absolutely correct.

Give me a break. Football isn't their job yet. So equating college football with work is asinine. I don't care how old the person is, if you're playing College Football for a storied program like OSU, you likely aren't living in the real world. Are there repercussions for acting like that in the real world? Sure. But getting a massive scholarship to attend a somewhat prestigious school simply because you can run fast is not reality for the vast majority of people in life.

How about you do your job with the constant scrutiny of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, with every move you make video-taped and dissected. And do it in exchange for free education too as opposed to legally making cash.

Should he have done it? No. But to get all mad at him when we're all the ones who crated this rivalry monster is ridiculous. It's akin to creating a kitten killing robot and then acting surprised when it kills a kitten.

Also, if football had enforcers, they could have just settled it on the field like in hockey and no one would have cared.

 

[Fro]

what i don't get is urban was quick to suspend guys for conduct that hurt the team at UF...but at OSU he's seems to not...maybe just the pressure to win in the B1G, but just interesting to me

 

[Jaxs]

Give me a break. Football isn't their job yet. So equating college football with work is asinine. I don't care how old the person is, if you're playing College Football for a storied program like OSU, you likely aren't living in the real world. Are there repercussions for acting like that in the real world? Sure. But getting a massive scholarship to attend a somewhat prestigious school simply because you can run fast is not reality for the vast majority of people in life.

How about you do your job with the constant scrutiny of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, with every move you make video-taped and dissected. And do it in exchange for free education too as opposed to legally making cash.

Should he have done it? No. But to get all mad at him when we're all the ones who crated this rivalry monster is ridiculous. It's akin to creating a kitten killing robot and then acting surprised when it kills a kitten.

Also, if football had enforcers, they could have just settled it on the field like in hockey and no one would have cared.

Agree with your line of reasoning in this and previous posts. Missing the rest of the game was suspension enough for all involved, and the bolded is truth! Could you imagine the knockdown dragouts those guys could have?

 

[1857 Howitzer]

what i don't get is urban was quick to suspend guys for conduct that hurt the team at UF...but at OSU he's seems to not...maybe just the pressure to win in the B1G, but just interesting to me

Hyde got 3 games for, IMHO, nothing but an over blown media created story.

 

[NotWendell]

He should be suspended for one game.

 

[Fro]

Hyde got 3 games for, IMHO, nothing but an over blown media created story.

against cream puffs..i mean like when he suspended players for the SEC championship game or against Georgia...not Coastal Carolina...

 

[Fro]

the margin is .950 to .923....

pretty close...style points will matter on saturday

 

[EspenK]

the margin is .950 to .923....

pretty close...style points will matter on saturday

Let's go Mizzou.

 

[Sore Loser]

Give me a break. Football isn't their job yet. So equating college football with work is asinine. I don't care how old the person is, if you're playing College Football for a storied program like OSU, you likely aren't living in the real world. Are there repercussions for acting like that in the real world? Sure. But getting a massive scholarship to attend a somewhat prestigious school simply because you can run fast is not reality for the vast majority of people in life.

How about you do your job with the constant scrutiny of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, with every move you make video-taped and dissected. And do it in exchange for free education too as opposed to legally making cash.

So in essence, what you're saying is, it's okay for a collegiate athlete to act like a complete D.B., because they aren't part of the "real world".

Got it.

Really, don't feel bad for those "kids". I would have KILLED to get an athletic scholarship to a school as prestigious as OSU. Four years of free education, housing, and food? Yeah ... real rough. There's a reason I was working at 22 - it's because I didn't have the same luxuries as these "kids" have. So yes, I do expect them to live up to their expectations as near-pro athletes and role models. I guarantee you there's nothing in that scholarship that says it's okay to flip off other teams' fans, and in one year, he may very well be playing in the NFL ... so if he doesn't have it figured out by now, will he have higher expectations by then?

We should be mad and disappointed that this happened. It shouldn't happen, plain and simple, and if/when it does, then there should be consequences. Defending it is ludicrous.

 

[1857 Howitzer]

against cream puffs..i mean like when he suspended players for the SEC championship game or against Georgia...not Coastal Carolina...

What is he to do suspend players for no reason just to show he can? I'm not getting your point. The past two seasons there have been extremely few incidents with the football players and when there has been off field problems they have been taken care of and if anything he has gone a little harder on them then he really had to.

 

[1857 Howitzer]

the margin is .950 to .923....

pretty close...style points will matter on saturday

Nope. Win and their in. ESPN and SEC nut huggers will spend the whole week telling us this but it BS.

 

[Fro]

What is he to do suspend players for no reason just to show he can? I'm not getting your point. The past two seasons there have been extremely few incidents with the football players and when there has been off field problems they have been taken care of and if anything he has gone a little harder on them then he really had to.

the point is sure he suspended a player for screwing up earlier in the season, now that something is on the line he isn't...different from how he was at UF...

Nope. Win and their in. ESPN and SEC nut huggers will spend the whole week telling us this but it BS.

i'm not saying it WILL happen, just saying there are some that need to realize its VERY possible that it DOES happen

 

[1857 Howitzer]

the point is sure he suspended a player for screwing up earlier in the season, now that something is on the line he isn't...different from how he was at UF...



i'm not saying it WILL happen, just saying there are some that need to realize its VERY possible that it DOES happen

Sorry Hall is not going to make any difference in the game anyway so it's not like he's not going to suspend him because he can't win without him.

And there's no chance none nada OSU doesn't go to the title game if they win by a point or 50.

Anyway I hate collage football discussions so I'm going to try to stay out of this one going forward.

 

[FANonymous]

So in essence, what you're saying is, it's okay for a collegiate athlete to act like a complete D.B., because they aren't part of the "real world".

What I'm saying is it's going to happen regardless of whether you like it or not, especially when we breed perfect conditions for it. You worked when you were 22, congratulations. So did most of us. To complain that people with much better opportunities aren't held to the same standards is a different argument altogether. If you're looking to a child who hasn't ever tasted adult-life in the real-world as a role model, that's on you. He can run fast, whopdee ****ing doo, why exactly should that make him a role model?

We should be mad and disappointed that this happened. It shouldn't happen, plain and simple, and if/when it does, then there should be consequences. Defending it is ludicrous.

I am disappointed that it happened, but you really think that he is the only one responsible for what happened? It had nothing to do with the media and the coaches pumping up the rivalry throughout the years or even just this season? It has nothing to do with the amount of hate between the teams and their fans that they won't even refer to the opposing school by the appropriate name? It has nothing to do with the general consensus that "all is forgiven" in a crappy season so long as you win in this rivalry? It has nothing to do with the bands of the universities taking pot-shots at each other in just about every half-time show? That's what I think is ludicrous. The fact that anyone is surprised that something like this happened in a Michigan-OSU game is laughable. To punish one guy when there's a whole host of older and more experienced people driving this thing, who all should know better, that's what I take issue with.

Suspend him or don't, I don't really care, but if you suspend him there needs to be a long look at fines/sanctions against how the two schools interact so the rivalry is built out of respect and not hatred. That's how you keep things like this from happening.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Give me a break. Football isn't their job yet. So equating college football with work is asinine. I don't care how old the person is, if you're playing College Football for a storied program like OSU, you likely aren't living in the real world. Are there repercussions for acting like that in the real world? Sure. But getting a massive scholarship to attend a somewhat prestigious school simply because you can run fast is not reality for the vast majority of people in life.

How about you do your job with the constant scrutiny of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, with every move you make video-taped and dissected. And do it in exchange for free education too as opposed to legally making cash.

Should he have done it? No. But to get all mad at him when we're all the ones who crated this rivalry monster is ridiculous. It's akin to creating a kitten killing robot and then acting surprised when it kills a kitten.

Also, if football had enforcers, they could have just settled it on the field like in hockey and no one would have cared.

10,000 players in D-1A football, but apparently 9,999 of them don't really know what it's like.

 

[FANonymous]

10,000 players in D-1A football, but apparently 9,999 of them don't really know what it's like.

Feel free to actually make a point.

 

[Sore Loser]

10,000 players in D-1A football, but apparently 9,999 of them don't really know what it's like.

Ding.

 

[Sore Loser]

Feel free to actually make a point.

You could take the same advice here. You're defending a unanimously reprehensible action.

 

[Sore Loser]

He can run fast, whopdee ****ing doo, why exactly should that make him a role model?

Taking this from THE Ohio State University's own code of ethics:

Integrity: We keep our promises. Our reputation rests on honesty, fairness, and treating everyone with respect.

http://www.ohiostatealumni.org/WHOWEARE/Pages/CodeOfEthics.aspx

So, this does not apply to football players? And what athlete do you know of - in any major sport - that doesn't consider themselves a role model to young children? How many kids do you see sporting Ohio State gear every day? You would have to be an idiot to not think that dawning one of those jerseys would pin you to a higher set of standards.

 

[Mayor Bee]

What is he to do suspend players for no reason just to show he can? I'm not getting your point. The past two seasons there have been extremely few incidents with the football players and when there has been off field problems they have been taken care of and if anything he has gone a little harder on them then he really had to.

Several reasons why:
1) Giving the finger (or two) to the crowd is a suspendable offense
2) OSU likes to pat themselves on the back for being "above" all the stuff that those contemptible plebe schools do
3) The B1G does the same
4) By suspending a player for a suspendable offense, Meyer gets to:
- Claim some type of moral high ground
- Distance himself from his atrociously bad disciplinary record at Florida, which saw numerous players with pretty serious legal issues that he never really much cared to address

However, by not suspending Hall, Meyer:
- Runs the risk of OSU's higher-ups overruling him and issuing a suspension anyway. This would make him look like a typical "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" clown who would stoop to any low just for the sake of a win.
- Runs the rusk of OSU's higher-ups agreeing with him, but the B1G issuing a suspension. This would be profoundly embarrassing for the entire school, by making everyone look like a bunch of buffoons who will sell out for the sake of a win. This includes Meyer among them.
- Incurs the barbs of the national media, most of whom either fall into the "Meyer is a saint" or "Meyer is the devil incarnate" camps with little middle ground.
- Gives ammo to people like me, who have long regarded him as a complete hypocrite who will gladly take anything that benefits him and blast anything that doesn't...and if the situation reverses itself, he has no qualms about continuing that same pattern. (As his recent comments about the nature of the BCS bear out)

The funny thing to me will be hearing the local sports media lauding Meyer for...well, I'm not sure what. They hated him at Florida for his negative recruiting and his players' legal problems and his noodle-spined discipline, yet have gone full-blown revisionist to try to exonerate him of any responsibility that a head coach and father figure might is expected to have. Nothing quite like listening to the Columbus media praising his handling of kids at Florida, which they were blasting him for just a few short years ago.