CBJ Board Other Sports Thread: Part VIII

[pete goegan]

Worst idea of the century, injured kicker or not.

Nothing to lose.

 

[FANonymous]

Suckered again. Don't you have to have a certain level of intelligence and discipline in order to get into college?

Not if you can run really fast!!!!

 

[Sore Loser]

Second best game/finish I've seen all year (with a tip of the hat to Auburn/Georgia) ... never know what to expect from an Ohio State/those guys game, but would have guessed far different from this. Great game, both teams.

 

[EspenK]

Worst idea of the century, injured kicker or not.

I don't know. He's 7-5 if he fails, 8-4 and a hero if it works. QB was hobbling and sooner or later he was going to get hurt.Plus up until that point OSU hadn't stopped a pass all day unless the receiver dropped it or Gardner mis-threw.

 

[EspenK]

Let me see...

Can't tackle,
No pass defense,
No short passing game,
Response to adversity is to have two starters thrown out.

Yep, that's another one of my teams.

Teams playing the Bucks have more wide open receivers than I've ever seen against any other team. They either have the loosest coverage philosophy in football or defenders with the shortest attention spans on the planet. I hate watching this team play. Carlos and Braxton should kick the ***** of every player on the defensive side of the ball.

Agreed. I would hope he'd get the Miami job; but I went there, too, and they're bad enough, already, without inflicting that on them.

Another wide open receiver. Is that some sort of record, yet?

There's an Italian slang word - agita - which perfectly describes what this team does to me. A first down on every throw stops the clock. Great way to let Michigan tie it up!

Agree with everything except Fickell to Miami. I went to OU - would be happy to see him in Oxford.
But Fickell to somewhere please.

 

[pete goegan]

But Fickell to somewhere please.

Yes, oh yes, please! Replaced with someone who can devise and teach pass defense schemes and techniques. I really had hopes, now that OSU has something of a passing attack for them to practice against; but Fickel still seems to be using the same schemes as Woody, Earle, Coop, and Tressel - keep backing up until the ball is caught, then try to hurt the receiver. Of course, learning how to tackle correctly might help in that regard, as well.

Two straight years without a defeat and I'm still not happy. I've become a typical Buckeye fan!

 

[pete goegan]

More than 600 yards of offense for Michigan, and they still lose!

 

[EspenK]

Yes, oh yes, please! Replaced with someone who can devise and teach pass defense schemes and techniques. I really had hopes, now that OSU has something of a passing attack for them to practice against; but Fickel still seems to be using the same schemes as Woody, Earle, Coop, and Tressel - keep backing up until the ball is caught, then try to hurt the receiver. Of course, learning how to tackle correctly might help in that regard, as well.


Two straight years without a defeat and I'm still not happy. I've become a typical Buckeye fan!

In general I don't understand pass defense. When I was a kid, I was always taught to keep behind the receiver but to watch the ball. Now it seems like receivers are always behind the Db who is not watching the ball at all. Unless it hits him in the head (which happened to one Mich guy) he has no chance to knock it down or intercept it. College or pro it is the same.???

 

[NotWendell]

Two straight years without a defeat and I'm still not happy. I've become a typical Buckeye fan!

...or an Associated Press voter.

 

[pete goegan]

In general I don't understand pass defense. When I was a kid, I was always taught to keep behind the receiver but to watch the ball. Now it seems like receivers are always behind the Db who is not watching the ball at all. Unless it hits him in the head (which happened to one Mich guy) he has no chance to knock it down or intercept it. College or pro it is the same.???

Well, if the current theory is to watch the receiver and then turn for the ball when he does, it might help if the defender was in the same area code when the ball arrives!

 

[Sore Loser]

I think they gave too much respect to their opponent's offense ... they were playing not to lose instead of playing to win. It cost them a lot of yards and thus, a lot of heartache.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Now we see if all that crap that Jim Delaney has spewed about "integrity" actually holds. Giving the finger to the crowd has always warranted supplemental discipline, and a double-barreled bird after being ejected would seem to trigger a suspension next week.

I'm guessing that the possibility of a BCS title game check is simply too enticing for the conference to actually do it though.

In general I don't understand pass defense. When I was a kid, I was always taught to keep behind the receiver but to watch the ball. Now it seems like receivers are always behind the Db who is not watching the ball at all. Unless it hits him in the head (which happened to one Mich guy) he has no chance to knock it down or intercept it. College or pro it is the same.???

College football doesn't outlaw faceguarding (although interference will be called if there's contact), and most DBs at that level don't have a quick enough break on the ball to play pro-style coverage. It makes more sense to pursue a WR all over the place, then either turn at the last second or simply crowd so much that it hits the DB in the head or back.

The other thing is that most DBs have poor ball instincts. They tend to overestimate how much of a play that they can make, which can result in a quick offensive touchdown if they guess wrong. So pursue-and-turn coverage is also regarded as a way of limiting risk, especially since a lot of receivers have no clue how to truly catch with their hands (as opposed to trapping it against their chest).

 

[1857 Howitzer]

Can you provide some examples where giving the finger has resulted in extra punishment Mayor? I'm not saying one way or the other what should happen, but I'd like to know what's happened in the past.

 

[SuperGenius]

can you provide some examples where giving the finger has resulted in extra punishment mayor? I'm not saying one way or the other what should happen, but i'd like to know what's happened in the past.

[MB]back in the early thirties there was a baseball manager named stump mcgill who really liked beer and the ladies. A good old baseball man, i'd say. Anyways, back on one rainy tuesday, the game was cancelled and he got in his old jalopy and went looking for a good time in a nearby burgh. He found the local watering hole, called the barrel, with the help of his leadoff man who was hitting .218 at the time with a 50 oz. Bat. Now it's too bad he didn't have his big bat with him this night because when they walked into the bar they were met with dirty looks. I guess the bar folk didn't like their chattanooga jackets and caps and they refused to serve them. Good old stump and the leadoff man gave the whole bar a double fisted set of birds on the way out. I guess four birds in hand are worth none in the barrel! Hahahaha[/MB]

 

[Samkow]

[MB]back in the early thirties there was a baseball manager named stump mcgill who really liked beer and the ladies. A good old baseball man, i'd say. Anyways, back on one rainy tuesday, the game was cancelled and he got in his old jalopy and went looking for a good time in a nearby burgh. He found the local watering hole, called the barrel, with the help of his leadoff man who was hitting .218 at the time with a 50 oz. Bat. Now it's too bad he didn't have his big bat with him this night because when they walked into the bar they were met with dirty looks. I guess the bar folk didn't like their chattanooga jackets and caps and they refused to serve them. Good old stump and the leadoff man gave the whole bar a double fisted set of birds on the way out. I guess four birds in hand are worth none in the barrel! Hahahaha[/MB]

 

[1857 Howitzer]

Lol Nicely done John.

 

[Sore Loser]

[MB]back in the early thirties there was a baseball manager named stump mcgill who really liked beer and the ladies. A good old baseball man, i'd say. Anyways, back on one rainy tuesday, the game was cancelled and he got in his old jalopy and went looking for a good time in a nearby burgh. He found the local watering hole, called the barrel, with the help of his leadoff man who was hitting .218 at the time with a 50 oz. Bat. Now it's too bad he didn't have his big bat with him this night because when they walked into the bar they were met with dirty looks. I guess the bar folk didn't like their chattanooga jackets and caps and they refused to serve them. Good old stump and the leadoff man gave the whole bar a double fisted set of birds on the way out. I guess four birds in hand are worth none in the barrel! Hahahaha[/MB]

Not nearly as good as MB's Don Cherry ... but a solid roast, nonetheless.

 

[bester vaive]

So you're saying Mayor Bee is a southpaw? ...Seriously, some sort of discipline needs to occur (besides Urban _eyer handling it "in house.")

 

[Samkow]

lolol.

 

[EspenK]

WAR EAGLE! WAR EAGLE! WAR EAGLE! WAR EAGLE!

 

[Sore Loser]

I cannot believe what I just saw at the Iron Bowl. Un. Real.

 

[EspenK]

Bet Saban wishes he left the clock at 0:00

 

[Halfboard]

WAR F***ING EAGLE....................................

 

[Mayor Bee]

Can you provide some examples where giving the finger has resulted in extra punishment Mayor? I'm not saying one way or the other what should happen, but I'd like to know what's happened in the past.

Notable incidents:
2013 (NCAA) - Hawaii assistant Chris Demarest suspended one game for obscene language/gesture.
2012 (NCAA) - Saint Joseph's guard Halil Kanacevic suspended two games for an obscene gesture.
2011 (NCAA) - New Mexico State guard Christian Kabongo suspended indefinitely for obscene gesture. He was reinstated after two games.
2010 (NHL) - Islanders defenseman James Wisniewski suspended two games for an obscene gesture toward Sean Avery.
2010 (NFL) - Titans defensive coordinator Chuck Cecil fined $40,000 for obscene gesture toward officials. Cecil had previously been fined in 2009 for verbal abuse of officials; Mike Pereira said he'd have suspended Cecil both times.
2006 (NCAA) - Pitt TE Darrell Strong suspended one game for obscene gesture toward the crowd. In this incident, he caught a TD pass to cut the deficit to 22-12 in the 4th quarter, and was flagged for excessive celebration. This pushed the two-point conversion attempt back to the 18, resulting in an incompletion/
1998 (NFL) - Panthers running back Fred Lane suspended one game without pay for obscene gesture that was not caught on TV cameras. This suspension was by the team itself.
1996 (NFL) - Bryan Cox fined $87,500 (then a record) for an obscene gesture toward an official

This is just a small handful. There was another incident with Ole Miss guard Marshall Henderson being suspended three games to begin a season; he had made an obscene gesture to the crowd after the previous year's NCAA tournament loss. He had other issues in the offseason, so I'm not including it above.

The precedent in college sports is normally for the player's school to issue the suspension, rather than the governing body. There does not seem to be a precedent of a school failing to do so, which would force the hand of the conference or NCAA itself. Of course, we all know Urban Meyer's history of discipline from his Florida days...

 

[Mayor Bee]

[MB]back in the early thirties there was a baseball manager named stump mcgill who really liked beer and the ladies. A good old baseball man, i'd say. Anyways, back on one rainy tuesday, the game was cancelled and he got in his old jalopy and went looking for a good time in a nearby burgh. He found the local watering hole, called the barrel, with the help of his leadoff man who was hitting .218 at the time with a 50 oz. Bat. Now it's too bad he didn't have his big bat with him this night because when they walked into the bar they were met with dirty looks. I guess the bar folk didn't like their chattanooga jackets and caps and they refused to serve them. Good old stump and the leadoff man gave the whole bar a double fisted set of birds on the way out. I guess four birds in hand are worth none in the barrel! Hahahaha[/MB]

That's good stuff there.

The HOF shortstop Rabbit Maranville was a legendary prankster, and played in an era when players kept their gloves in the field while their team was at bat. Maranville was known to occasionally use the other shortstop's glove to trap a bird that would get onto the field, so when his counterpart would go to put his glove on, the bird would pop out and scare the hell out of him.