Confirmed with Link: Carter Hart Officially Charged With One Count Of Sexual Assault (Per His Lawyers); Non-roster, salary cap info in OP

[flyerslducks]

I’m not saying I think they’ve made changes but I hope. Being scared straight is preferable to carrying on doing what they’re doing IMO. Then again, most people don’t need to be scared straight to not do something like this. I’m sure stories will emerge about these players and a couple posters hinted at Hart’s reputation in his hometown being not too good. It would be nice for one of the players to take accountability and plead Guilty, I agree. My stance is I hope they have/will change(d) their behavior as that shit is unacceptable

even if they became amazing people I don’t want any one of these scum near this team. This whole organization needs a f***ing purge. As fans of this team for years, it’s a whole new low to have this brought on us.

 

[BiggE]

It’s a sad day. I don’t know Carter Hart. Is he likely a more mature and better person than he was that dark day? Probably. Does he regret what happened? Again, probably.

But lets not forget that there was only one victim that night. Hockey Canada didn’t shell out millions of dollars over something that never happened. A young lady was assaulted. Even if she gave some kind of drunken ok prior to the actions of those young men, it does not excuse or justify their actions. They committed a crime and deserve, if convicted, to pay a price.

I feel for those men too, their NHL dream is over and they may very well spend time in prison. I hope they learn a lesson from this, and, as they move on with their lives, become better people and live their lives in peace.

However, I feel for that young lady much more. This will affect her for a long time, perhaps forever. It’s also a shame that this might not go to trial until 2026. That does no one involved any favors. The court needs to do whatever it takes to speed this process up and bring a resolution to this horrible matter for everyone’s sake.

Finally, Hockey Canada needs to make damn sure that the culture that allowed this, and almost certainly many previous incidents to occur, is gone for good. This must never happen again.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I’m sure stories will emerge about these players and a couple posters hinted at Hart’s reputation in his hometown being not too good.

Wait, when was this? Did they get deleted?

Sure, Jan.



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But if they knew, you'd think they would also know that it was going to come out eventually. Why put out a lie you know is going to be exposed? Unless they did him a solid which is, sadly, believable

 

[Gregor Samsa]

even if they became amazing people I don’t want any one of these scum near this team. This whole organization needs a f***ing purge. As fans of this team for years, it’s a whole new low to have this brought on us.

Yep. Unless the reports are grossly misleading or there was no sexual incident, or Hart somehow wasn’t there, it’s clear he took part in something inappropriate which makes him look like a scumbag at best. Good riddance

 

[Tripod]

Well that’s not Scott Fenton who made the ambiguous legal response on behalf of Wasserman.

Meg Savard....she was the lawyer for Jacob Hoggard, lead singer of group Hedley.

For those who don't know, this was a high profile case of sexual assault just 2 years ago.

Charged in 2018 for alleged rape in 2016
In 2022 convicted, given 5 years
Appealed
Is out on bail
Appeal trial is slated for Sept this year

so don't expect a quick process with this trial.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

It’s a sad day. I don’t know Carter Hart. Is he likely a more mature and better person than he was that dark day? Probably. Does he regret what happened? Again, probably.

But lets not forget that there was only one victim that night. Hockey Canada didn’t shell out millions of dollars over something that never happened. A young lady was assaulted. Even if she gave some kind of drunken ok prior to the actions of those young men, it does not excuse or justify their actions. They committed a crime and deserve, if convicted, to pay a price.

I feel for those men too, their NHL dream is over and they may very well spend time in prison. I hope they learn a lesson from this, and, as they move on with their lives, become better people and live their lives in peace.

However, I feel for that young lady much more. This will affect her for a long time, perhaps forever. It’s also a shame that this might not go to trial until 2026. That does no one involved any favors. The court needs to do whatever it takes to speed this process up and bring a resolution to this horrible matter for everyone’s sake.

Finally, Hockey Canada needs to make damn sure that the culture that allowed this, and almost certainly many previous incidents to occur, is gone for good. This must never happen again.

Well said, my man. Well said.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Wait, when was this? Did they get deleted?



But if they knew, you'd think they would also know that it was going to come out eventually. Why put out a lie you know is going to be exposed? Unless they did him a solid which is, sadly, believable

I didn’t see anything specific but I saw a few suspicious posts. When Hart took the leave, a poster here said he did a deep dive into Edmonton hockey circles, or something like that, and what he found wasn’t good. On the main boards, for the same Hart indefinite leave topic, another poster said something about Edmonton can’t wait for him to come back so they can give him the welcome he deserves, or something similar. Maybe I read too much into it but it came off like someone “in the know” saying Edmonton wasn’t happy with him

 

[The don godfather]

Woah carter hart ? Unreal solid goaltender. I'm shocked.

 

[DancingPanther]

I feel nothing but seething hatred for this guy. Throw him in f***ing jail

 

[flyershockey]

There's no way these organizations weren't aware of pending charges. They could play the same game of elimination that fans have played for the last couple of years. And they have connections all over North America to gain intel. I'm guessing they granted the leave of absence because the lawyers said that was the smoothest path to eventually void contracts.

 

[BernieParent]

The dark days were when these scumbags thought they were in the clear. At least now there is a chance they face justice.

You are right, of course, but I was thinking of how this horrible act had spread over years like a toxic cloud as we became aware of it, first as a broad-spectrum injustice and now hitting home to a prominent member of the Flyers.

 

[FanForLife]

I'd be shocked if any of these players play in NHL again, or hockey anywhere, even if found innocent in court in the end. In fact, I don't know what occupational options will be made available to them no matter what....who would want to associate with them? Horrible look.

 

[Flyer lurker]

There's no way these organizations weren't aware of pending charges. They could play the same game of elimination that fans have played for the last couple of years. And they have connections all over North America to gain intel. I'm guessing they granted the leave of absence because the lawyers said that was the smoothest path to eventually void contracts.

WE have asked for years why are the flyers drafting more goalies (2 last year) now you know why. By all means he should get his day in court. I truly hope he is innocent and not just ruled innocent.

But if he is guilty I want him in jail with tex cobb from the fletch movies.

 

[JABEE]

We’re talking about the same guys pleading not guilty, right?

The burden of proof might indeed fall short of conviction, and I’m not pretending I expected differently, but talking about remorse from this band of shitheads seems a wee bit premature.

When we know they tried to intimidate the girl into saying she wasn't drunk and liked a bunch of guys joining in.

We know the prosecution has video tapes of what happened. We know their testimonies to the investigators concede they had sex with the victim.

These millionaires are facing justice for their actions.

 

[JABEE]

There's no way these organizations weren't aware of pending charges. They could play the same game of elimination that fans have played for the last couple of years. And they have connections all over North America to gain intel. I'm guessing they granted the leave of absence because the lawyers said that was the smoothest path to eventually void contracts.

I remember hearing stuff last year about how the Flyers couldn't trade him in good faith knowing potential charges were still out there. Everyone in the hockey world was aware of the biggest story facing Hockey Canada.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Hart is going to be player 1, filmer, and the ringleader, isn’t he? That would be par the course

 

[Devonator]

A question for any here with a legal background or knowledge....lets assume the Players are proved to be innocent....and that they want to resume their playing careers.....but the various NHL Teams will not allow them to come back....Can the players then sue the NHL for denying them employment??

 

[Gregor Samsa]

A question for any here with a legal background or knowledge....lets assume the Players are proved to be innocent....and that they want to resume their playing careers.....but the various NHL Teams will not allow them to come back....Can the players then sue the NHL for denying them employment??

I would think the players aren’t entitled to play in the NHL. It’s not one of their rights

 

[Devonator]

I would think the players aren’t entitled to play in the NHL. It’s not one of their rights

But on a legal level....if they are innocent, can they be banned still from the NHL and on what grounds? I would think the players might have a case against the NHL.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

A question for any here with a legal background or knowledge....lets assume the Players are proved to be innocent....and that they want to resume their playing careers.....but the various NHL Teams will not allow them to come back....Can the players then sue the NHL for denying them employment??

This thread needs to be renamed Innocent vs Not Guilty, Your Honor.

I have no legal background, but I'm pretty sure you can sue anyone for anything if you know the right people.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Hart is going to be player 1, filmer, and the ringleader, isn’t he? That would be par the course

whatever is #darkesttimeline..

thats what will happen

 

[Gregor Samsa]

But on a legal level....if they are innocent, can they be banned still from the NHL and on what grounds? I would think the players might have a case against the NHL.

Teams don’t want them. There is a good chance the players look bad even if found not guilty. No team will want to touch them and deal with bad backlash. OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were found not guilty but I doubt many want to be seen hanging out with them

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

A question for any here with a legal background or knowledge....lets assume the Players are proved to be innocent....and that they want to resume their playing careers.....but the various NHL Teams will not allow them to come back....Can the players then sue the NHL for denying them employment??

They’re not going to be proven to be innocent. They may be found to be not guilty in a court of law but they won’t be innocent.

They cannot sue the NHL for “denying” them employment in that situation. The NHL and their member organizations can employee whoever they wish. Well, I guess, they could sue because you can sue for anything but it wouldn’t be a winning lawsuit.

Now could they file a suit against the alleged victim for loss of income in a situation where they were freed of all charges? Possibly. Or could they sue the teams if they terminate their contract? Possibly.

According to Westhead this may not go to trial until 2026 and by that time, IIRC, all of these players won’t be under contract anyway.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

whatever is #darkesttimeline..

thats what will happen

Hart turns out to be ringleader…flees to Russia…plays hockey there…plays Michkov…whispers in his ear….Michkov never comes over

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Hart turns out to be ringleader…flees to Russia…plays hockey there…plays Michkov…whispers in his ear….Michkov never comes over

now ur gettin it.