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Adam Warlock

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You could just quote me next time ;)

Not going to bat just playing Devil's advocate because this isn't 1:1 black and white, cut and dry. The woman was taken advantage of to a degree - but how bout you leave the hotel room if it's that bad?

If it got physical and they forcibly prevented her from leaving the room then she wouldn't even be talking to Player #1 the following day and called the cops herself.

What our society is struggles with in these situations is not acknowledging that there is a very problematic gray area between full consent to a sexual act and the use of physical force/violence to force someone into an act. A victim can feel like they have to comply bc they fear what might happen if they dont. In these cases, they are not consenting even if they arent being physically forced or expressing no. The defense in these situations is just that, i didnt force them and they didnt say no, which is true, but its the total lack of empathy to recognize that they put this person in this situation thats uncomfortable and intimidating thats the on going issue. We are seeing this a lot with these young athletes bc theyre apart of a culture thats made the self absorbed, entitled, and normalized inviting your friends to have their way with a girl without considering how intimidating thatll be for her.

It reminds me of the IASIP episode where Dennis tells Mac he wants to bring girls put on their boat to sleep with them bc theyll have no choice bc of the "implication" of danger. Mac questions him and Dennis, whos a physcopath, justifys it bc if they said no hed stop but "they wont say no".

And yes... all of these players are innocent until proven guilty...but the "well she went along with it didnt she?" take is why this is a major on going problem.
 

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No but it doesn't loop and you have to click play. It treats it like a 3 second embedded video
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(Mp4 is a video format, so… doesn’t that make it an embedded video? Asking for a friend)
 

oilexport

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What our society is struggles with in these situations is not acknowledging that there is a very problematic gray area between full consent to a sexual act and the use of physical force/violence to force someone into an act. A victim can feel like they have to comply bc they fear what might happen if they dont. In these cases, they are not consenting even if they arent being physically forced or expressing no. The defense in these situations is just that, i didnt force them and they didnt say no, which is true, but its the total lack of empathy to recognize that they put this person in this situation thats uncomfortable and intimidating thats the on going issue. We are seeing this a lot with these young athletes bc theyre apart of a culture thats made the self absorbed, entitled, and normalized inviting your friends to have their way with a girl without considering how intimidating thatll be for her.

It reminds me of the IASIP episode where Dennis tells Mac he wants to bring girls put on their boat to sleep with them bc theyll have no choice bc of the "implication" of danger. Mac questions him and Dennis, whos a physcopath, justifys it bc if they said no hed stop but "they wont say no".

And yes... all of these players are innocent until proven guilty...but the "well she went along with it didnt she?" take is why this is a major on going problem.
These were very young men and not scholars of informed consent
 

Starat327

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Don’t get me wrong, I’ll eat a steak pretty much right out of the cow, but I don’t mess around with salmonella, especially when it’s for other people. I’m not trying to get written up for selling raw chicken to some Karen.

Oh I know, it just seemed like an easy joke. That rotisserie looks legit.
 

deadhead

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The $7.99 chicken costs me $350.00 every time.
My wife orders for delivery now, probably adds $20 to the cost, but when you factor in the cost of driving and the time, probably break close to even. Biggest problem is finding space in an apartment to store a ream of toilet paper, but then you look at grocery store prices and figure it out.
 

bennysflyers16

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My wife orders for delivery now, probably adds $20 to the cost, but when you factor in the cost of driving and the time, probably break close to even. Biggest problem is finding space in an apartment to store a ream of toilet paper, but then you look at grocery store prices and figure it out.
Ya its called Insta Cart here. You pay a bit more, but man I would save a ton of cash by not walking through that damn place :)
 

Adam Warlock

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These were very young men and not scholars of informed consent
And thats the problem. We are not raising kids, boys and girls to know how to navigate these situations. For Gen Z its worse because their online lives have limited their social skills...not to mention theyve had unlimited access to porn since they go their first iphone so they grown up thinking thats normal sexual behavior. You pair that with the god like treatment these junior kids get at a young age and add alcohol and no wonder shit like this keeps happening.

Wrong doers need to be held accountable...but there are also bigger issues here to address.
 

mr figgles

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What our society is struggles with in these situations is not acknowledging that there is a very problematic gray area between full consent to a sexual act and the use of physical force/violence to force someone into an act. A victim can feel like they have to comply bc they fear what might happen if they dont. In these cases, they are not consenting even if they arent being physically forced or expressing no. The defense in these situations is just that, i didnt force them and they didnt say no, which is true, but its the total lack of empathy to recognize that they put this person in this situation thats uncomfortable and intimidating thats the on going issue. We are seeing this a lot with these young athletes bc theyre apart of a culture thats made the self absorbed, entitled, and normalized inviting your friends to have their way with a girl without considering how intimidating thatll be for her.

It reminds me of the IASIP episode where Dennis tells Mac he wants to bring girls put on their boat to sleep with them bc theyll have no choice bc of the "implication" of danger. Mac questions him and Dennis, whos a physcopath, justifys it bc if they said no hed stop but "they wont say no".

And yes... all of these players are innocent until proven guilty...but the "well she went along with it didnt she?" take is why this is a major on going problem.

This cannot be stated enough. This post hasn’t gotten enough attention. The implication. Imagine you are a girl that met a guy you like, and went back to his room with him, because just like him you are young and full of hormones…then 7 of his friends show up without your knowledge. Can you imagine what’s going through her head? She’s alone with Eight strange men, and the one she put her trust in is the reason why she is now surrounded by men that can all easily overpower her. Any consent after that is not consent. It’s consent under extreme duress, which is not consent.
 

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Oh I know, it just seemed like an easy joke. That rotisserie looks legit.
The funny thing is, many of my co-workers are kind of awful at their job, and have been selling undercooked chickens. One of our cashiers bought one that was still almost raw in the middle, and the assistant general manager who oversees my department has gotten several e-mails recently about members getting medium-rare birds.
 

marcsson68

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From the time I worked as prosecutor two things come up to my mind:

- Victims of sexual crimes are usually scarred for life. These offenses are among the ugliest of all. Severe penalties are justified.
- At the same time sexual crimes have the highest ratio of false accusations by far. And a made up accusation scars the alleged offender for life.

So it really isn’t a topic of black and white. Very tough. Very challenging.
 

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