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Friedman: Carolina likely to offer an 8 year, $100+ M contract to Rantanen before the deadline

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Canes have Aho, Svechnikov, Jarvis, Slavin all signed long term on top of having more cap space than pretty much any team in the league moving forward. Enough money in fact to get Rantanen signed at whatever he’ll end up getting, bring in a top 1RD, a big deal for a goalie, and still have money leftover to upgrade at 2C or anywhere else in the line up they’d like to. Not to forget arguably hockey’s hottest prospect not in the NHL ready to come over after the KHL season.

If being cheap means setting your club up for an extended competitive/contending window, I’m cool with Dundon being cheap.
 
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So Rants is worth 12-12.5 easily but the line is drawn at 13-14? Lmfao who/what do they think they will get for that extra 500k-1.5mill?
 
NVious said:
So Rants is worth 12-12.5 easily but the line is drawn at 13-14? Lmfao who/what do they think they will get for that extra 500k-1.5mill?
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A team that is in desperate need of a "star" to attract fans and has the cap space to sign Rants will bid on him. Especially since the cap will be going up nicely in the next two years.
 
NVious said:
So Rants is worth 12-12.5 easily but the line is drawn at 13-14? Lmfao who/what do they think they will get for that extra 500k-1.5mill?
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You have to draw the line somewhere and considering the Canes have the 8 year vs 7 year advantage you're not going to just go 8 x 14 right off the bat. Of course they don't want to have a repeat of the Guentzel situation so I would think they will be more willing to move on the money line sooner in this case if it's needed.
 
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GIN ANTONIC said:
You have to draw the line somewhere and considering the Canes have the 8 year vs 7 year advantage you're not going to just go 8 x 14 right off the bat. Of course they don't want to have a repeat of the Guentzel situation so I would think they will be more willing to move on the money line sooner in this case if it's needed.
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I agree to some extent, but simultaneously if you are not a Free Agent draw and if you have the money, is nickle and diming one of the best performers (including playoffs) in the league in the last 5 years the way to go? Is it realistic for a guy to eat 1-2 mill that he would easily get on the market for a team he holds no allegiance to? Doesn't the team have to "go for it" at a certain point?
 
NVious said:
I agree to some extent, but simultaneously if you are not a Free Agent draw and if you have the money, is nickle and diming one of the best performers (including playoffs) in the league in the last 5 years the way to go? Is it realistic for a guy to eat 1-2 mill that he would easily get on the market for a team he holds no allegiance to? Doesn't the team have to "go for it" at a certain point?
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I mean, same could be said for the Avs as well right? Rants is an excellent player but he's not a top 5 stud so if he wants to use Drai as the comparison then he's off the mark there.

Pasta and Nylander are in the $11-11.5 range, let's say Mikko is better, although I think you could argue either way on Pasta... is he $3m better than Pasta?

Yes, it's a new cap world but even at $12.5 AAV he'd be the highest paid winger in the league... what's the precedent for him getting above that? Usually when the top paid player for a position is newly appointed it's by a little not by a lot. $13.5-$14 would be a big jump from his comparables and put him in top 3 in the league. He's not that player and he hasn't earned that.
 
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bleedgreen said:
Where are you getting the team is negotiating through the media? Rumor guys post rumors. This isn’t the team driving this.
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Why would the player or his agent leak that though? The only thing this does is make Rantanen look greedy if he doesn’t sign.
 
Canovin said:
Probably gets traded again before the deadline with another retention. Rantanen at 2.3M will tilt the ice for any contender
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Is Carolina really going to sabotage this year?
I guess they could turn around and use the assets to get another rental.
 
robbieberns said:
Canes have Aho, Svechnikov, Jarvis, Slavin all signed long term on top of having more cap space than pretty much any team in the league moving forward. Enough money in fact to get Rantanen signed at whatever he’ll end up getting, bring in a top 1RD, a big deal for a goalie, and still have money leftover to upgrade at 2C or anywhere else in the line up they’d like to. Not to forget arguably hockey’s hottest prospect not in the NHL ready to come over after the KHL season.

If being cheap means setting your club up for an extended competitive/contending window, I’m cool with Dundon being cheap.
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You do realize being cheap is not a phase, it's a habit. He actually has to stop being cheap to put the team over the top. That's why everyone is hesitant to believe it's been a plan and not a habit.
 
LeapOnOver said:
You do realize being cheap is not a phase, it's a habit. He actually has to stop being cheap to put the team over the top. That's why everyone is hesitant to believe it's been a plan and not a habit.
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They’ve signed the talent worth committing to, let the replaceable guys walk, and tried to sign a guy like Guentzel that was deemed worth it. They traded for and are going to do everything they can to sign Rantanen.

Hamilton, Pesce, Skjei, Teravainen, Noesen, Trocheck, these are all guys who have been proven to be replaceable. Signing four core pieces to long term deals and making moves to bring in and attempt to sign top of the line talent to fill that group out doesn’t equate to a plan in your eyes? To be it’s a front office that refuses to bog themselves down by signing a guy who isn’t much of a needle mover to an snchor of a deal while trusting your pro scouting department to identify value deals to replace aging guys who reach UFA.

If they were to have the non cheap route, they sign all their guys to deals that are more money for worse production than their previous deals, particularly in the latter half of all those deals. Completely handicaps them moving forward and makes deals for the likes of Rantanen impossible, let alone any concept of re-signing Rantanen and having room to make additional high end moves.
 
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GIN ANTONIC said:
I mean, same could be said for the Avs as well right? Rants is an excellent player but he's not a top 5 stud so if he wants to use Drai as the comparison then he's off the mark there.

Pasta and Nylander are in the $11-11.5 range, let's say Mikko is better, although I think you could argue either way on Pasta... is he $3m better than Pasta?

Yes, it's a new cap world but even at $12.5 AAV he'd be the highest paid winger in the league... what's the precedent for him getting above that? Usually when the top paid player for a position is newly appointed it's by a little not by a lot. $13.5-$14 would be a big jump from his comparables and put him in top 3 in the league. He's not that player and he hasn't earned that.
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The difference is that the Avs have the two Mack/Maks who at their best can be said to be the best 2 players in the game, the Canes do not.

The cap is going up, their 11 is now easily in the 12s based on capflation alone. Looking at playoff numbers, he is CLEARLY better than both of them.

Considering that basically every team in the league would give him 12, 12 is his absolute floor. If he wants money Detroit/Montreal/Chicago/Anaheim/Pitt would likely give him nearing 14 as they don't have much to lose, so again the question is if Mikko is the guy you go to war with over a mill and a bit? Even if he took his absolute floor, what exactly is an extra 1-2 mill going to get you? Not much.

You win with your best players performing in the playoffs and Mikko has done that in absolute spades and honestly from a Leafs perspective, I can tell you first hand talented players have absolutely zero guarantee they will perform (considering that none of our big 5 have ever outperformed Mikko in the playoffs and they're in the 11-14 range).
 
Nogatco Rd said:
Why would the player or his agent leak that though? The only thing this does is make Rantanen look greedy if he doesn’t sign.
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They all have underlings that work for them. I assume that’s really where leaks happen. Regardless the quote isn’t even that the Canes have made the offer, only that they “may”….and never says if he means now/deadline/summer so there’s nothing there for people to say the Canes are currently putting pressure on Rants.
 
BusQuets said:
What if he doesn't like Carolina's system or the city itself? Those are valid reasons.
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I guess but assuming he wants to play on a contender, there’s very few that have 13m to fit a guy and Carolina can give him the extra year.

He played hardball on two contract negations already though and got moved because of it the second time so omly time will tell. I think a huge contract will she very poorly for him in 3+ years but Carolina has to go for it.
 
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Nogatco Rd said:
Yeah i can see why it would make sense for the team to leak it, hard to make the case it came from Rantanen’s camp though
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You realize this whole rumor is straight out of Friedman's own musings, right? He literally said on his podcast this is what I "think" they'll offer him. Now, Friedman does often make informed speculation, but he made a point to say the $100M offer was something he was suggesting...

Where do you get the idea anything is being leaked?
 
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They’ve signed the talent worth committing to, let the replaceable guys walk, and tried to sign a guy like Guentzel that was deemed worth it. They traded for and are going to do everything they can to sign Rantanen.

Hamilton, Pesce, Skjei, Teravainen, Noesen, Trocheck, these are all guys who have been proven to be replaceable. Signing four core pieces to long term deals and making moves to bring in and attempt to sign top of the line talent to fill that group out doesn’t equate to a plan in your eyes? To be it’s a front office that refuses to bog themselves down by signing a guy who isn’t much of a needle mover to an snchor of a deal while trusting your pro scouting department to identify value deals to replace aging guys who reach UFA.

If they were to have the non cheap route, they sign all their guys to deals that are more money for worse production than their previous deals, particularly in the latter half of all those deals. Completely handicaps them moving forward and makes deals for the likes of Rantanen impossible, let alone any concept of re-signing Rantanen and having room to make additional high end moves.
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I wouldn't have traded for Rantanen with a player like Necas unless there was an extension in place. Isles did that with Vanek and got burned.

Speaking of handicaps, the owner has already let players around the league know that if you want a payday you are going to get traded, based on his actions.

bleedgreen said:
I still never get the concept of a team being at the cap every year being cheap.
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Why are fans saying they have tons of cap space if they are 'at the cap'?
 
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