Player Discussion Carey Price - Moving Home Edition

[loudi94]

Haha. I think Habs would have to give up Gallagher for Chicago to take price’s contract. It’s hard to stomach but you gotta give to get.

That would be the gift that keeps on giving if Chicago demanded Gally in order to take on Price's contract.

 

[Whalers Fan]

That would be the gift that keeps on giving if Chicago demanded Gally in order to take on Price's contract.

Bergevin is no longer employed by Chicago, so that's not happening.

 

[InglewoodJack]

My God this post is so bad.

We went TWO years with 8 or 9 mil in open cap space. So... no, his salary didn't stop us from anything.

Stop making excuses for a mgmt group who drove this franchise into the ground. The only reason we made the finals at all was because of Price.

Not only that but up until he retired he was the only player making ten mil to have passed the first round on mutliple occassions. We put a bunch of clowns in front of him and he still dominated in the postseason. We wasted a decade of having the best goalie in the league. A guy who was an automatic win if we scored three goals or more in the playoffs and you want to bitch about his salary? Brutal post.

The more time passes, the more the argument stays the same. Young Price was a bust at 22 because he wasn’t a Vézina candidate yet, but he had (I think) by far the most wins by a goalie at that age. Old price wasn’t worth the $10.5M cap hit because the team wasn’t that good, and yet he has the most playoff success for a guy with that type of contract. He was never the problem, and yet he takes all the blame.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The more time passes, the more the argument stays the same. Young Price was a bust at 22 because he wasn’t a Vézina candidate yet, but he had (I think) by far the most wins by a goalie at that age. Old price wasn’t worth the $10.5M cap hit because the team wasn’t that good, and yet he has the most playoff success for a guy with that type of contract. He was never the problem, and yet he takes all the blame.

It’s so dumb that these people go after a guy who consistently showed up in the playoffs.

Yeah, it’s HIS fault.

It’d be one thing if he was a Mitch Marner. That I’d understand. But to go after the guy who consistently led us to wins over better teams just makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[salbutera]

Paying a star player 10 mil is no biggie. Esp if he's your best player in the playoffs - which Price consistently was for us. And he also consistently beat better teams over the course of his career here as well. That's worth its weight in gold.

What kills you is the expensive contracts to bums who don't do anything for you at all. Drouin is a good example there. Or look at what Marner's doing to Toronto - 11 million is fine for a guy who's close to 100 points. But it's not fine if he doesn't show up in the postseason.

Not to mention the 8 or 9 mil in OPEN caps space we had for two f***ing years! But yeah, Price's salary was why we couldn't get players. Had nothing to do with a GM who thought dumpster diving was the way to build a team.

vast majority of star players earning $10M+ aren’t the best players in the playoffs, it’s become more than a common trend during cap era. Price, and McDavid who else?

Therein lies the problem…

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Paying a star player 10 mil is no biggie. Esp if he's your best player in the playoffs - which Price consistently was for us. And he also consistently beat better teams over the course of his career here as well. That's worth its weight in gold.

What kills you is the expensive contracts to bums who don't do anything for you at all. Drouin is a good example there. Or look at what Marner's doing to Toronto - 11 million is fine for a guy who's close to 100 points. But it's not fine if he doesn't show up in the postseason.

Not to mention the 8 or 9 mil in OPEN caps space we had for two f***ing years! But yeah, Price's salary was why we couldn't get players. Had nothing to do with a GM who thought dumpster diving was the way to build a team.

At one point, we had a Hart/Vezina winning goalie, A Norris winning D, a perennial 30G/60P winger and a stud top pairing D in Markov signed for only a total $26M cap hit.

It was wild how he filled out the remaining $45-50M of cap space with overpaid bottom six guys, bottom pairing D and washed up veterans.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

At one point, we had a Hart/Vezina winning goalie, A Norris winning D, a perennial 30G/60P winger and a stud top pairing D in Markov signed for only a total $26M cap hit.

It was wild how he filled out the remaining $45-50M of cap space with overpaid bottom six guys, bottom pairing D and washed up veterans.

Don't forget we hired the worst coach in the league. It was criminal.

And we still almost made it to the finals in 2014 anyway. If not for Kreider's bullshit hit...

 

[InglewoodJack]

It’s so dumb that these people go after a guy who consistently showed up in the playoffs.

Yeah, it’s HIS fault.

It’d be one thing if he was a Mitch Marner. That I’d understand. But to go after the guy who consistently led us to wins over better teams just makes no sense whatsoever.

He was gifted the starting job over Huet and then was gifted it again when Halak was clearly the better goalie at that point, and to this day fans haven’t forgiven him. I think Halak’s 2010 run really screwed with fan perception over how good goalies are- some 9th rounder played like god himself to beat two generational teams and after that, everything price did was seen as pretty regular even though his stretch of dominance is probably not something any of us are going to see on this team for another generation.

When Price came out for Subban’s night and did the low 5, it was really emblematic of the Price era’s failures. You have the most exciting defenseman we’ve had in decades and the best goalie we’ve had since Roy, they were buds, the team told them to stop having a personality, they shipped PK out (I get it but it shouldn’t have gotten to that point), left price hang out to dry, both of those guys had early retirements and save for some personal hardware, not much to show for their time in Montreal, as the two faces of what is supposed to be one of the world’s great sports franchises.

 

[BLONG7]

He was gifted the starting job over Huet and then was gifted it again when Halak was clearly the better goalie at that point, and to this day fans haven’t forgiven him. I think Halak’s 2010 run really screwed with fan perception over how good goalies are- some 9th rounder played like god himself to beat two generational teams and after that, everything price did was seen as pretty regular even though his stretch of dominance is probably not something any of us are going to see on this team for another generation.

When Price came out for Subban’s night and did the low 5, it was really emblematic of the Price era’s failures. You have the most exciting defenseman we’ve had in decades and the best goalie we’ve had since Roy, they were buds, the team told them to stop having a personality, they shipped PK out (I get it but it shouldn’t have gotten to that point), left price hang out to dry, both of those guys had early retirements and save for some personal hardware, not much to show for their time in Montreal, as the two faces of what is supposed to be one of the world’s great sports franchises.

Bergevin dropped the ball. Terrible how Therrien treated his star players.....
Water under the bridge I guess, Bergevin is a coffee boy in LA and Therrien is a clown on RDS? TVA?

Price and Subban took the high road, and it was nice to see them give the clowns a triple low five at the ceremony for PK. They earned it, and the fans loved it.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Bergevin dropped the ball. Terrible how Therrien treated his star players.....
Water under the bridge I guess, Bergevin is a coffee boy in LA and Therrien is a clown on RDS? TVA?

Price and Subban took the high road, and it was nice to see them give the clowns a triple low five at the ceremony for PK. They earned it, and the fans loved it.

just saw that Flames might interview Bergevin Lol if they hire him HuGo better be quick and offer Gallagher for Hanifin

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He was gifted the starting job over Huet and then was gifted it again when Halak was clearly the better goalie at that point, and to this day fans haven’t forgiven him. I think Halak’s 2010 run really screwed with fan perception over how good goalies are- some 9th rounder played like god himself to beat two generational teams and after that, everything price did was seen as pretty regular even though his stretch of dominance is probably not something any of us are going to see on this team for another generation.

I remember the trolls saying he'd been 'gifted' the starter's spot and that he had a 'silver spoon.'

Fact is though that he won the Calder Cup, wpn the MVP and came into the NHL and put up a .920 save percentage (amazingly good back then), finished 9th for the Vezina and would've had a good shot at the Calder had he played the whole year.

He wasn't 'gifted' anything... but that didn't stop people from slamming him.

Some context on his second year too. He started that year as a Vezina candidate. .922 before getting hurt. Came back and.... suuuucked. And he wasn't great the following year too. Of the criticisms I have for Price, the biggest one is that he seemed to try to play through injuries. I think it hurt him in the long run and it certainly didn't do anything for the team. Another gripe I had with Price was that he wanted to finish the game no matter what. This didn't help the team nor did it help Price... but that's neither here nor there.

And yeah, props to Halak. Insane run. And you're absolutely right that there were a couple of people who never got over it - even to this day.

When Price came out for Subban’s night and did the low 5, it was really emblematic of the Price era’s failures. You have the most exciting defenseman we’ve had in decades and the best goalie we’ve had since Roy, they were buds, the team told them to stop having a personality, they shipped PK out (I get it but it shouldn’t have gotten to that point), left price hang out to dry, both of those guys had early retirements and save for some personal hardware, not much to show for their time in Montreal, as the two faces of what is supposed to be one of the world’s great sports franchises.

Can't believe we had not one but TWO superstars and did nothing with it. Desharnais as our number one... Just God awful. At the time Subban was a top three blueliner in the league. Add in Price and the supporting cast... we didn't need much.

Honestly, so much of it stems from Therrien. First move Bergevin made and it was his worst. What a wasted opportunity. Can't believe we came out of that era without a cup.

 

[InglewoodJack]

I remember the trolls saying he'd been 'gifted' the starter's spot and that he had a 'silver spoon.'

Fact is though that he won the Calder Cup, wpn the MVP and came into the NHL and put up a .920 save percentage (amazingly good back then), finished 9th for the Vezina and would've had a good shot at the Calder had he played the whole year.

He wasn't 'gifted' anything... but that didn't stop people from slamming him.

Some context on his second year too. He started that year as a Vezina candidate. .922 before getting hurt. Came back and.... suuuucked. And he wasn't great the following year too. Of the criticisms I have for Price, the biggest one is that he seemed to try to play through injuries. I think it hurt him in the long run and it certainly didn't do anything for the team. Another gripe I had with Price was that he wanted to finish the game no matter what. This didn't help the team nor did it help Price... but that's neither here nor there.

And yeah, props to Halak. Insane run. And you're absolutely right that there were a couple of people who never got over it - even to this day.

Can't believe we had not one but TWO superstars and did nothing with it. Desharnais as our number one... Just God awful. At the time Subban was a top three blueliner in the league. Add in Price and the supporting cast... we didn't need much.

Honestly, so much of it stems from Therrien. First move Bergevin made and it was his worst. What a wasted opportunity. Can't believe we came out of that era without a cup.

When I say "gifted", I mean that performance-wise, Price wasn't really where Huet or Halak was (going off memory mostly here) yet, but that's what you do with high value prospects- you play through the growing pains and you reap the rewards once they hit their prime. He was so up and down during those years which is fair, he was learning the most difficult position in all of sports years younger than most goalies do, and he was doing it as the most scrutinized player in the league. It's tough.

Those Price vs. Halak battles were insane. During my posting heyday here, I think we got to like volume 20 or something of the Price vs. Halak thread? Even as recent as a few years ago I've heard people talk about how he should've let Price go- I can't remember the main rumour for him (was it Tarasenko? Feel like it was with the Blues but may be confusing this with Eller).

Poor Desharnais too. Such a fun player who had a lot to give, but was in the wrong role and was completely raked over the coals for it. I don't care how soft those 60 points were, but putting up 60 points in your first NHL season is crazy. He would've been a good team's excellent 2nd or 3rd line center, but instead MB threw out a 5'6 first line center as the key part of our offense. Christ.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

When I say "gifted", I mean that performance-wise, Price wasn't really where Huet or Halak was (going off memory mostly here) yet, but that's what you do with high value prospects- you play through the growing pains and you reap the rewards once they hit their prime. He was so up and down during those years which is fair, he was learning the most difficult position in all of sports years younger than most goalies do, and he was doing it as the most scrutinized player in the league. It's tough.

Those Price vs. Halak battles were insane. During my posting heyday here, I think we got to like volume 20 or something of the Price vs. Halak thread? Even as recent as a few years ago I've heard people talk about how he should've let Price go- I can't remember the main rumour for him (was it Tarasenko? Feel like it was with the Blues but may be confusing this with Eller).

Poor Desharnais too. Such a fun player who had a lot to give, but was in the wrong role and was completely raked over the coals for it. I don't care how soft those 60 points were, but putting up 60 points in your first NHL season is crazy. He would've been a good team's excellent 2nd or 3rd line center, but instead MB threw out a 5'6 first line center as the key part of our offense. Christ.

Desharnais would’ve been a great 4th line center. It was a coaching problem.

As for the Center role, Galchenyuk was great when given the opportunity. And if they felt he wasn’t the guy, they should’ve traded him for the center they wanted. Instead, they misused everyone and then complained that no centers were available.

 

[Vachon23]

Can't believe we had not one but TWO superstars and did nothing with it. Desharnais as our number one... Just God awful. At the time Subban was a top three blueliner in the league. Add in Price and the supporting cast... we didn't need much.

Honestly, so much of it stems from Therrien. First move Bergevin made and it was his worst. What a wasted opportunity. Can't believe we came out of that era without a cup.

+ Max Pacioretty was one of the best goal scorer in the league and Markov was great PP QB and good #2. It was time to pull a big move and bring that offensive treat to complete that team. They where probably trade opportunity for top players (Malkin ?) that didn't happen because he didn't want to pay the price

I was sad when Vancouver decided to keep Alain Vigneault one more year. I'm pretty sure he would have been the choice and he was at least a way better coach then

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

It’s so dumb that these people go after a guy who consistently showed up in the playoffs.

Yeah, it’s HIS fault.

It’d be one thing if he was a Mitch Marner. That I’d understand. But to go after the guy who consistently led us to wins over better teams just makes no sense whatsoever.

I don’t think anyone should bash Price, but the unfortunate reality is that injuries cost him. From the Kreider incident to the cup final where he was clearly playing hurt at the end, those two events possibly cost him getting his name on the cup. There was also the year where we lost to Boston in game 7 in OT with Pacioretty injured. Had Pacioretty not gotten hurt that was probably our best chance.

But here we are. In terms of his contract, any chance he retires, or is he just gonna continue to milk us for every last red cent?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don’t think anyone should bash Price, but the unfortunate reality is that injuries cost him. From the Kreider incident to the cup final where he was clearly playing hurt at the end, those two events possibly cost him getting his name on the cup. There was also the year where we lost to Boston in game 7 in OT with Pacioretty injured. Had Pacioretty not gotten hurt that was probably our best chance.

But here we are. In terms of his contract, any chance he retires, or is he just gonna continue to milk us for every last red cent?

No player is going to retire when on contract. He was injured on the job and would be playing if he could. He’s on IR exactly as he should be.

And - why do you care? We put him on LTIR and it doesn’t affect us. Moreover we’re rebuilding now and the cap is meaningless. If anything we should be taking on bad deals now while we’re still not contending. IT’s meaningless right now.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

No player is going to retire when on contract. He was injured on the job and would be playing if he could. He’s on IR exactly as he should be.

And - why do you care? We put him on LTIR and it doesn’t affect us. Moreover we’re rebuilding now and the cap is meaningless. If anything we should be taking on bad deals now while we’re still not contending. IT’s meaningless right now.

I’m hardly a cap guru, but can we just stash him on LTIR for each of the next four years and have it not affect us?

Personally I’m hoping to manage to land Dubois this off-season or next. He won’t be cheap. We have some expensive deals, so yes the cap matters, especially once we sign Caufield to what will surely be an expensive deal as well.

 

[BLONG7]

I’m hardly a cap guru, but can we just stash him on LTIR for each of the next four years and have it not affect us?

Personally I’m hoping to manage to land Dubois this off-season or next. He won’t be cheap. We have some expensive deals, so yes the cap matters, especially once we sign Caufield to what will surely be an expensive deal as well.

Something about being allowed to be 10% over the cap during the offseason, when Price's contract goes back on the books?
His deal never hurt our situation, and still doesn't now. As HuGo gets our cap situation straitened out, yes there are some deals that have to be handed out.
Unlike TO our best players should come in around 8M and not 11M so that is a good situation.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

vast majority of star players earning $10M+ aren’t the best players in the playoffs, it’s become more than a common trend during cap era. Price, and McDavid who else?

Therein lies the problem…

Price had the highest save% in the playoffs in his last 7 years. McDavid was the best player of last year's playoffs.

Making baseless claims and simplistic reductions, therein lies the problem...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

At one point, we had a Hart/Vezina winning goalie, A Norris winning D, a perennial 30G/60P winger and a stud top pairing D in Markov signed for only a total $26M cap hit.

It was wild how he filled out the remaining $45-50M of cap space with overpaid bottom six guys, bottom pairing D and washed up veterans.

The funniest part is that Bergevin inherited ALL of that. He just couldn't add to it. Even most of what he added later on were directly related to what he inherited. Weber, from Subban. Suzuki from Pacioretty.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

What pissed me off the most during the prime Price, Subban, Markov, Max Pac era was the fact that he never traded 1st rounders and prospects to go get good established players.

I mean everyone knew they were horrendous and drafting, yet he never traded away any draft capital to go amd get missing key pieces. 10 years on the job and no #1 or even a #2 Center to show for. (Suzuki doesn't really count since it happened at the tail end of his tenure).

Once, he went after Hossa and it worked out pretty well for what he gave up. But trades are hard... SMH.

If you can't see the talent in the core ypu have and don't help them in any REAL way, then that's on you and the owner!

It's very very sad that we haven't had a 40 goal scorer in 30 years or a 50 goal scorer in 40. No 100 point player since the Reagan administration.

Two top 3 draft picks that had no impact whatsoever... if I performed like that at my job, I would have gotten my pink slip long ago!

Can ypu imagine this team the last 15 years if they didn't have Price in nets?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Can ypu imagine this team the last 15 years if they didn't have Price in nets?

I think about those habs teams every day of my life and how without CP31 we would probably have at least one of McDavid , Mckinnon , Eichel , Marner ,Matthews , Jack Hughes , HIshier , Heiskanen , Makar, Barkov , Drysaitl , Nylander.

Instead the year we bottom outwe get KK
And the other year we bottom out we get Serg and gave him away for nothing cant make this stuff up

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

I think about those habs teams every day of my life and how without CP31 we would probably have at least one of McDavid , Mckinnon , Eichel , Marner ,Matthews , Jack Hughes , HIshier , Heiskanen , Makar, Barkov , Drysaitl , Nylander.

Instead the year we bottom outwe get KK
And the other year we bottom out we get Serg and gave him away for nothing cant make this stuff up

Don't forget Galchy!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

vast majority of star players earning $10M+ aren’t the best players in the playoffs, it’s become more than a common trend during cap era. Price, and McDavid who else?

Therein lies the problem…

Don’t point to what’s working as the problem.

The only ten million dollar player to have won multiple playoff rounds coming into this season was Carey Price. The guy was insane in the postseason over the past decade. He was well worth the money.

Unfortunately we just didn’t spend the rest of our dollars well.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What pissed me off the most during the prime Price, Subban, Markov, Max Pac era was the fact that he never traded 1st rounders and prospects to go get good established players.

I mean everyone knew they were horrendous and drafting, yet he never traded away any draft capital to go amd get missing key pieces. 10 years on the job and no #1 or even a #2 Center to show for. (Suzuki doesn't really count since it happened at the tail end of his tenure).

Once, he went after Hossa and it worked out pretty well for what he gave up. But trades are hard... SMH.

If you can't see the talent in the core ypu have and don't help them in any REAL way, then that's on you and the owner!

It's very very sad that we haven't had a 40 goal scorer in 30 years or a 50 goal scorer in 40. No 100 point player since the Reagan administration.

Two top 3 draft picks that had no impact whatsoever... if I performed like that at my job, I would have gotten my pink slip long ago!

Can ypu imagine this team the last 15 years if they didn't have Price in nets?

Galchenyuk’s a good example. Good young player. Produced when in the role. We play an inferior center in front of him.

If he’s not your guy… trade him. He had a ton of value. Instead we bury him on the third behind f***ing DD. Just mindblowingly dumb.