Confirmed Trade: [CAR/PIT] Jake Guentzel (25% retained), Ty Smith for Michael Bunting, Ville Koivunen, Vasili Ponomarev, Cruz Lucius, 2024 cond. 1st, 2024 cond. 5th

[Nogatco Rd]

From Karpat to Car/Pit

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Dubas must love keeping Bunting employed.

I wonder if Vancouver had Bunting if the trade would've went through.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Dubas must love keeping Bunting employed.

I wonder if Vancouver had Bunting if the trade would've went through.

he did the same thing in toronto with former sault ste. marie palyers and staff. the one likeable thing about him as a gm is he's extremely loyal

 

[66-30-33]

I still hate this trade...A Broz level prospect, a bottom 6 type prospect, and a slow skater.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Good pickup for the Canes. Basically, got Guenzel

I still hate this trade...A Broz level prospect, a bottom 6 type prospect, and a slow skater.

Guentzel for the Michael Jackson Tribute Band.

 

[Mike Jones]

Anybody know why Ty Smith is still playing for Wilkes-Barre Scranton? He had an assist with them tonight.

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[The Grim Reaper]

I still hate this trade...A Broz level prospect, a bottom 6 type prospect, and a slow skater.

Strange to hate a trade largely involving prospects until you see them hit the ice for your team.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Anybody know why Ty Smith is still playing for Wilkes-Barre Scranton? He had an assist with them tonight.

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I don't think Carolina has a farm team

Strange to hate a trade largely involving prospects until you see them hit the ice for your team.

Funny thing is most Pens fans said the same thing about Jake when he was drafted. Too small, not strong enough and a bad skater. Like if we all became professional scouts !!

 

[66-30-33]

Strange to hate a trade largely involving prospects until you see them hit the ice for your team.

They can always get good but with our luck they will all bust.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I also like how this is such a terrible trade according to Canucks fans coming into this thread, yet their team was practically begging Pittsburgh to send Guentzel to Vancouver and they couldn't beat this offer. What does that say about your prospect pool that this "terrible trade" was better than what you offered?

They could’ve beat this offer, they chose not too. There’s a difference.

 

[mattihp]

It might depend a bit on what you are trying to compare. If it's league to league, I think you're correct. But if the goal is use each league as a measure of how a prospect might perform in the NHL, then I don't think it's a good list. I think the AHL would be firmly above the KHL if you are looking at that. Plenty of low level pluggers go from the NHL to the KHL and put up big numbers.

If Prospect A was PPG in the AHL and Prospect B was PPG in the KHL (with all other things being equal), I would take the PPG AHL player every time.

The AHL is not firmly abobe KHL, they are nearing the KHL in quality.

 

[TooManyHumans]

The Penguins gave up 20 games of Guentzel, games that don't matter to the Penguins. Not sure why any Penguins fans would be so upset about this. I'm just glad the Penguins are finally acknowledging that this team isn't good enough and needs to start rebuilding.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Anybody know why Ty Smith is still playing for Wilkes-Barre Scranton? He had an assist with them tonight.

I don't think Carolina has a farm team

Correct. Canes don't have an AHL affiliate this season so it was best for him to just be loaned to WBS from Carolina, and probably best for WBS as well.

 

[Wattsburgh]

Poor Pittsburgh fans went from prospect greed, saying they’d be disappointed if Blake wasn’t the prospect “included” with Morrow…. to googling their new prospects within minutes…

Greed? So you would want quantity over quality for your team as well? Another jealous fan of the 3 out of 4 Cup runs is strong in this one.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

The Penguins gave up 20 games of Guentzel, games that don't matter to the Penguins. Not sure why any Penguins fans would be so upset about this. I'm just glad the Penguins are finally acknowledging that this team isn't good enough and needs to start rebuilding.

This isn't the start of a rebuild, so the Penguins aren't acknowledging it's time to start to do so.

 

[bleedgreen]

Greed? So you would want quantity over quality for your team as well? Another jealous fan of the 3 out of 4 Cup runs is strong in this one.

Canes fans don’t see this is quantity over quality. We have one A prospect. After that the next five or six are in the same group for us. Pono, Koivunen, Blake, Fus, Nadeau….we all have our opinions on who the best forward is is but they all got votes in our polls to be in the top five and I had the two big ones you got in our top five. They’re all clumped together. I think Morrow should be number 2, but I’m not sold on him reaching his ceiling. Your whole theory of why this trade is bad is off base. Blake isn’t perceived by us as our best offensive prospect. Nadeau gets the groups vote but why? He’s the most recent first rounder. I watched him play last night, and watched Blake live a few weeks ago. Koivunen and Pono are ahead of them both right now. You’re going off lists because you don’t know the prospects. Pono is the only one that can play in the NHL right now and he’s good. He’s fun to watch, you’re going to root for him. Koivunen is nearly a ppg in a mens league at 20, two wjc teams. He’s the mix of the most accomplished with probably the highest ceiling. They’re both second rounders, Nadeau is a late first. I don’t understand why you view this as only quantity. Lucious is having a ppg season, he’s the “throw in” and even he has raised his value significantly.

You may have gotten our two best offensive prospects.

 

[TooManyHumans]

This isn't the start of a rebuild, so the Penguins aren't acknowledging it's time to start to do so.

Call it what you will but it's the first time they've been sellers. That's progress in my book.

 

[iamjs]

lol Aho just mentioned on chiclets how Bunting was lost with the new system at first. He said it light-heartedly, but it could be a bit of both- the piece needed and the Canes way really wasn’t coming naturally to him.



Like. My god, how has there never been a hockey themed wrestler? I mean besides Andrew Peters.

He was banned from the NHL "and all leagues in between"

he even had the old school organ in his theme music.

 

[TGWL]

This is the time where fans overreact both ways. All the prospects become great. Or all the prospect are never going to be anything special. One of those, call me in 2-3 years type of deals. Penguins need a lot of youth and the more chances to hit on some of them, the better. Jake is going to be pushing 30 for his next contract. While a fantastic player, he's not a spring chicken and giving him a 7 year term could be troublesome. This trade wasn't for a signed Jake they feel comfortable with when it comes to term and money, which obviously hurts the outcome of what Penguins received. Obviously Penguin fans should be hoping Canes make the final.

 

[SEALBound]

The AHL is not firmly abobe KHL, they are nearing the KHL in quality.

Under the scope of predicting how a player might do in the NHL, yes it is.

Overall league ability and skill levels, I will agree KHL > AHL but again, it depends on why we want to compare leagues.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Canes fans don’t see this is quantity over quality. We have one A prospect. After that the next five or six are in the same group for us. Pono, Koivunen, Blake, Fus, Nadeau….we all have our opinions on who the best forward is is but they all got votes in our polls to be in the top five and I had the two big ones you got in our top five. They’re all clumped together. I think Morrow should be number 2, but I’m not sold on him reaching his ceiling. Your whole theory of why this trade is bad is off base. Blake isn’t perceived by us as our best offensive prospect. Nadeau gets the groups vote but why? He’s the most recent first rounder. I watched him play last night, and watched Blake live a few weeks ago. Koivunen and Pono are ahead of them both right now. You’re going off lists because you don’t know the prospects. Pono is the only one that can play in the NHL right now and he’s good. He’s fun to watch, you’re going to root for him. Koivunen is nearly a ppg in a mens league at 20, two wjc teams. He’s the mix of the most accomplished with probably the highest ceiling. They’re both second rounders, Nadeau is a late first. I don’t understand why you view this as only quantity. Lucious is having a ppg season, he’s the “throw in” and even he has raised his value significantly.

You may have gotten our two best offensive prospects.

I think part of the perception problem is that they are (were) Carolina prospects and we don't have as large of a fanbase.

Other than when a prospect absolutely blows the doors off, like Aho did and Nikishin is doing, our prospects get little air time on HF. If Koivunen was doing what he's done this past year as a prospect from a big market team, his thread on the prospects forum would have been on the 1st page way more often and other fans would have taken notice. I like to use guys like Luostarinen and Nic Roy as similar examples to Koivunen and Pono. They aren't similar style players, but they were solid NHL ready prospects that weren't highly rated, but Vegas and Florida saw what they could be.

 

[Petes2424]

Greed? So you would want quantity over quality for your team as well? Another jealous fan of the 3 out of 4 Cup runs is strong in this one.

Assume much?? I’ve been very consistent in every post regarding what his return would likely be. Which it ended up being. To the extent, I’ve named the “types of prospects” they were going to get.

The back and forth that’s going on now, is just people poking fun back at Pittsburgh fans, who deserve a lot of it, for allowing themselves to get “sucked in” by supposed insiders, who just throw crap on the wall for clicks.. To the point of almost insulting anyone who was talking common sense and reality.

Those fans deserve some laughs thrown their way.

Those calling the return “garbage” also don’t understand much. He likely received an extra one of those prospects for not getting the guaranteed 1st. In this draft, there’s not much difference between 20-60, when it comes to NHL skills. They’re all pretty much 4-5 year type prospects. So why not take the extra lottery ball?

Every year we literally know what the return for pending UFAs is going to be “Value Wise”, but fans of whatever team it is, get sucked into believing they’re going to land Top name, Grade A, “guaranteed to play in the NHL” prospects, for their pending UFAs.

It doesn’t work that way. Never really has. Not in recent memory anyway.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Anybody know why Ty Smith is still playing for Wilkes-Barre Scranton? He had an assist with them tonight.

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If not mentioned, Canes don't have a farm team. Their prospects are spread over the A

 

[WarriorofTime]

Anybody know why Ty Smith is still playing for Wilkes-Barre Scranton? He had an assist with them tonight.

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They can keep him there on loan since they don’t have an affiliate of their own.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Hoglander has 20 ES goals this season with basically no PP times