Cap dump, mid 2nd, and three C level prospects. Yikes 
Confirmed Trade: [CAR/PIT] Jake Guentzel (25% retained), Ty Smith for Michael Bunting, Ville Koivunen, Vasili Ponomarev, Cruz Lucius, 2024 cond. 1st, 2024 cond. 5th
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wunderpanda
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Empoleon8771
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Cool story. If Canes fans familiar with the prospects say it’s a solid return, I’ll believe them.
I don’t give a damn about Canucks fans or Rangers fans, neither of which could outbid this offer, think of it. If Canes fans say it’s good, I trust them.
“lol you couldn’t even get Hoglander for Guentzel!!!!!”, says the fans of a team who is going to have to settle on Jason Zucker or Alex Wennberg because no one wants their assets.
Yikes! That’s a pretty underwhelming return.
I can’t believe the posters expecting Lekkerimaki or Hoglander plus a first.
I can’t believe the posters expecting Lekkerimaki or Hoglander plus a first.
Looks like pitts got a bunch of scraps, figured he'd go for a lot more.
As a Pens fan thinking we were going to get a blue chipper and 1st, now looking at this trade and comparing it to other rental deals, I would say this is a good return. Obviously was a little disappointed that neither Morrow or Blake were involved as was reported, but I think Dubas did pretty good. Have a feeling more Pens fans will start to come around to it. I’d give it a solid B/B+ maybe.
Empoleon8771
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I think I’d call it a B if the 1st was non-conditional. With it being conditional, and likely to be a 2nd, I think it’s mostly meh.
A grade of C seems about right. Not terrible in value but underwhelming considering what the Penguins gave up.
Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
Yeah, this is really bad, and to make matters worse he brought in one of his old clowns in Bunting as well. Now watch us not even get a 1st out of it. Dubas absolutely blew it here.
Luigi Lemieux
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I think he did ok here. It's the equivalent of 4 second rounders+ Bunting. Wish he got the guaranteed first but it's a good haul. Get top 9 help for the present and restock the prospect pool.
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Ryder71
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It was a gut punch because of what was reported. Morrow and Blake. especially blake. But the more I'm finding out about Koivunen the more I like about him. I just wish someone can tell me more about this fine young finnish player.
WarriorofTime
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The entire League let him pass Waivers at the start of the season.
Dubas is basically Jim Benning. But with a better suit, haircut and vocabulary.
I think the market wasn’t as strong as it was made out to be though. I trust Dubas took the best deal on the table but I also think he put value on Bunting which may have limited the quality of prospects involved. Is what it is though.
If you don't know shit about a player, which in this case you don't, then don't make assumptions like you do. Providing a useless opinion on a matter you don't know can be avoided by simply not posting a damn word.
Empoleon8771
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The biggest concern I have with the prospects reported is their perceived upside. It seems like Dubas went lower upside but safer prospects. Just from reading this thread from the Penguins Athletic writer:
The pieces are all nice prospects, but a bunch of nice prospects for Guentzel is definitely underwhelming. I think the people saying “this is basically Raty, Podkolzin, Pettersson and a conditional 1st for Guentzel” are pretty accurate. At that point though, I’m curious why the Canucks felt this was “too much” for them. I’d prefer the Canes prospects but not to a level where Vancouver felt they weren’t even close.
The pieces are all nice prospects, but a bunch of nice prospects for Guentzel is definitely underwhelming. I think the people saying “this is basically Raty, Podkolzin, Pettersson and a conditional 1st for Guentzel” are pretty accurate. At that point though, I’m curious why the Canucks felt this was “too much” for them. I’d prefer the Canes prospects but not to a level where Vancouver felt they weren’t even close.
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I watched him play with the Wolves at the end of last season when he joined the team after his Finnish season ended. Didn't look ready for the AHL at the moment. With the Canes/Wolves messy divorce, a player like him (not necessarily him, but like him), I could see being the sort of thing that would tick the Wolves brass off and make them want to go independent. A 19 year old former 2nd round pick that the Canes were likely demanding play in the lineup down the stretch when they were trying to make the postseason, when the Wolves likely had better players on AHL deals they had all season to put in...
But that was a year ago, he's likely better now, and should get a chance in Wilkes-Barre once his Finnish season ends, depending on how far his team goes in the Liiga playoffs.
You apparently don't realize he is an AHL player and waiver fodder. 32/32 teams had the chance to add him for nothing and decided not to. That is a real thing that happened. Sorry, Mr. Smith, your son is lousy.
Luigi Lemieux
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Seems like he's improved quite a bit, his point totals doubled from last year.
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It was a gut punch because many refused to believe what posters were telling them all along, that rentals don't historically return top prospects, regardless what twitter-verse was saying.
This is a good return for the Pens for a rental. Historically, rentals return a late 1st + a prospect of Pono/Koivunen's caliber. Pens got a mid-2nd (or late 1st if Canes make SCF), 2 good prospects that are close to NHL ready, another prospect, and a decent NHLr. I get that it's "quantity over quality", but rentals don't historically return quality like some were asking.
In the past, the Canes have given up guys similar to Koivunen/Pono like Nic Roy and Eetu Luostarinen in deals and fans weren't impressed because they didn't have the big names, but in the end, those players ended up being steals for the teams that got them.
So long Jake
And Ty Smith, the worthless Marino "replacement".
Sid/Geno/Tanger will now look forward to playing with Dubas' newest acquisitions from CAR:
And Ty Smith, the worthless Marino "replacement".
Sid/Geno/Tanger will now look forward to playing with Dubas' newest acquisitions from CAR:
Ryder71
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He's doubled his point total from last season (5 more games played) and tied for 2hd in that league in goals. I believe he has 17 points his last 10 games. He's on a heater and only 20. On the surface seems impressive. Real good hands.
WarriorofTime
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Yes, I imagine he will have a much more successful AHL stint when he comes back than the dozen or so games last year.
This trade reminds me of the rangers trade with Tampa a few years ago.
McDonagh+JTM for Hajek/Names/Howden/1st.
Quantity over Quality.
A worthless Marino piece that had 4pts in a good showing in 9 games last season and the coach would rather use Shea, Ludvig and Ruhwedel instead - all three f***ing suck. Odd that a bloke great on the powerplay wasn't an option for a team that has 1 defenseman with power play goals with the rest having 0.So long Jake
And Ty Smith, the worthless Marino "replacement".
Sid/Geno/Tanger will now look forward to playing with Dubas' newest acquisitions from CAR:
