Confirmed Buy-Out [CAR] Patrick Marleau

[Michel Beauchamp]

He’s not wrong though. I remember when the leafs traded for Dion, then couldn’t wait to ship him out of town, same goes for Kessel and other star players. Can’t wait in a few years when Matthews and Tavares become the scapegoats

I did not want to .

 

[TopG]

Another piece of evidence that not every opinion are equally worthwhile.

Says you

 

[Pyrophorus]

I want him back!

I'd rather the 40 goals from 2 players, than 17 or less from one.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I'd rather the 40 goals from 2 players, than 17 or less from one.

So, would I, but even mores so I'd want the 57 from three players

 

[Pyrophorus]

So, would I, but even mores so I'd want the 57 from three players

You have to make a choice. 17g (maybe) or 40.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You have to make a choice. 17g (maybe) or 40.

Not necessarily as we have already signed both AJ and Kap San Jose is in a more precarious position than we are cap wise. Who knows?

 

[Mickey Marner]

You have to make a choice. 17g (maybe) or 40.

It was 16 goals. He was about the 200th best goal-scorer on a per-minute basis last season with optimal deployment. His replacement(s) will likely out-perform him in those available 2nd line & PP minutes.

 

[Sleepy]

No CBA expert, but the answer is yes, apparently.

Thank you. Wow. Major f***-up by Lou to not have that bonus date pre-buyout date.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Thank you. Wow. Major ****-up by Lou to not have that bonus date pre-buyout date.

If to be paid before July 1st, that bonus would have been part of his 2018-19 total salary.

Cap-wise, that would not have been a problem for the Leafs as they finished $3.8M+ under the cap.

However, his total salary per season would have been $8.5M, $9M and $1.25M.

That would be impossible under the year-to-year variations rule of the CBA.

His 2019-2020 salary would, for example, need to be $4M, with the first 2 years at $9.5M and $8M.

Other combinations are possible.

 

[dredeye]

Not really. If they miss on this pick, but hit with their other first round pick, it's still worth it.

Why. They already have their other first rounder

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Does anyone know the exact details of the 1st rd pick going Carolina's way from Toronto. It is top 10 protected. However:

1. Does this mean if Carolina wins the lottery and move into the top 10. Leafs retain pick

Or

2. If Leafs finish 11th last in the final standings, Canes retain the pick regardless if they win the lottery or not.

 

[MyBudJT]

Does anyone know the exact details of the 1st rd pick going Carolina's way from Toronto. It is top 10 protected. However:

1. Does this mean if Carolina wins the lottery and move into the top 10. Leafs retain pick

Or

2. If Leafs finish 11th last in the final standings, Canes retain the pick regardless if they win the lottery or not.

1) Wrong thread. This isn't a TOR trade thread.
2) Bad Question. Toronto isn't going to miss the playoffs...

 

[The Winter Soldier]

1) Wrong thread. This isn't a TOR trade thread.
2) Bad Question. Toronto isn't going to miss the playoffs...

You are right this isn't a Toronto trade thread. This is a Patrick Marleau thread which involves his buyout that resulted in the trade for him. And the trade involves the conditional 1st rd pick from the Leafs in the 2020 which is top 10 protected.

But it doesn't explain the conditions specifically. As for the Leafs missing the playoffs or not, this is not a thread about them making it or not. But given they are 15th OA currently having played more games than a vast majority of teams. The question posed is a good one. Since one of these scenarios below may happen.

1. Does this mean if Carolina wins the lottery and move into the top 10. Leafs retain pick
2. If Leafs finish 11th last in the final standings, Canes retain the pick regardless if they win the lottery or not.

 

[Legion34]

You are right this isn't a Toronto trade thread. This is a Patrick Marleau thread which involves his buyout that resulted in the trade for him. And the trade involves the conditional 1st rd pick from the Leafs in the 2020 which is top 10 protected.

But it doesn't explain the conditions specifically. As for the Leafs missing the playoffs or not, this is not a thread about them making it or not. But given they are 15th OA currently having played more games than a vast majority of teams. The question posed is a good one. Since one of these scenarios below may happen.

1. Does this mean if Carolina wins the lottery and move into the top 10. Leafs retain pick
2. If Leafs finish 11th last in the final standings, Canes retain the pick regardless if they win the lottery or not.

it’s a top 10 pick protected. Not 19th in league standings protected.


The lottery happens and then if the leafs pick was in the top 10. Then it stays with them.

just like EVERY protected pick.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

it’s a top 10 pick protected. Not 19th in league standings protected.


The lottery happens and then if the leafs pick was in the top 10. Then it stays with them.

just like EVERY protected pick.

So if the Leafs finish 22nd, which would be the 10th pick, but a team behind them win the lottery which drops them down to #11. Canes get the pick.

 

[Boud]

So if the Leafs finish 22nd, which would be the 10th pick, but a team behind them win the lottery which drops them down to #11. Canes get the pick.

Accurate.

 

[Legion34]

So if the Leafs finish 22nd, which would be the 10th pick, but a team behind them win the lottery which drops them down to #11. Canes get the pick.

the draft lottery happens. Then if the leafs get top 10 it goes to carolina. Once the final order is decided

 

[The Winter Soldier]

the draft lottery happens. Then if the leafs get top 10 it goes to carolina. Once the final order is decided

The upcoming draft is reported to be very deep. I don't think the Canes expect to be in this position. It is still early, and there is a lot of ice to cover this season. But it is something you want clarified if top 10 protection comes into play later in the season.

 

[Leaf Fans]

The upcoming draft is reported to be very deep. I don't think the Canes expect to be in this position. It is still early, and there is a lot of ice to cover this season. But it is something you want clarified if top 10 protection comes into play later in the season.

Yes, the pick has protection for top 10. If the Canes get the pick, it will be from 11-31. If the Leafs draft this year, the Canes will have an unprotected pick from the Leafs in 2021.

 

[BatVader]

Someone bumped this thread just to talk about the leafs..... typical HF

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Someone bumped this thread just to talk about the leafs..... typical HF

I for one was shocked to see who bumped it.

 

[MinJaBen]

Does anyone know the exact details of the 1st rd pick going Carolina's way from Toronto. It is top 10 protected. However:

1. Does this mean if Carolina wins the lottery and move into the top 10. Leafs retain pick

Or

2. If Leafs finish 11th last in the final standings, Canes retain the pick regardless if they win the lottery or not.

I don't know the details, but I always assumed the 1st option.

 

[Legion34]

Someone bumped this thread just to talk about the leafs..... typical HF

hahaha just ask the neutral fan why they chose to bump it

 

[boredmale]

I really wish Lamoriello(NYI) jumped all over this(getting a first). We have the caps space might as well put it to good use.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I really wish Lamoriello(NYI) jumped all over this(getting a first). We have the caps space might as well put it to good use.

The pick may be a lot better than 1st thought. I mean one year of Marleau at 6.25 is palatable. A first back especially in the 11-15 range potentially is a huge incentive and a high price to pay. Surprised Dubas gave that up. Canes add to their riches. Nice job.