I always interpreted the protection on draft picks similar to a no trade clause in that it's there, but the team protected could choose to not enforce it. Not that Toronto would gladly hand over a top ten pick, but say the lottery comes and goes and they know where they stand. Say it's at 10 or 9. Would they hand that over vs. an unprotected first next year when they are going into the off season with one NHL dman under contract? As underwhelming as they have been this season, next could be worse.
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Lempo
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I *guess* they could word the condition so that the giver has "the option to choose to give 2021 pick instead". But here, they didn't.
The conditional pick trades are a bit tricky because once you send one to the NHL Central Registry, the receiver is to request that the pick in question will be "encumbered" with this potential trade. You can't use an encumbered pick for example for offer sheet compensation. Toronto did a bit silly because they encumbered two of their 1st picks in the Marleau trade.
The picks are assets for trades,
so both the CR and the receiving team like to have some certainty on what will happen in various scenarios. If Canes wanted (and found a willing partner), they could trade the TML conditional 1st (as long as everyone knows what exactly is being traded).
AcerComputer
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If the leafs somehow end up with a top 10 pick it would be a disappointing season, and unlikely to repeat the following year. In which case the puck might be in the 20s.
I am curious - If the 'canes were to flip this pick what would Carolina fans want for the Leafs' first? My math isn't the greatest but it looks like they're at least fighting it out for a wild card spot.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Ideally one more top-6 guy. Prefer a RHS, but if the LHS is Taylor Hall-caliber then that is good, too.
What about a rental? Is ownership's goal to make the playoffs this season or is that a moving target?
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
I think ownership is pretty sure our team is playoff-bound. They certainly seem like it right now even with all of our injuries to our depth scoring. I just think that they prefer guys with term rather than pure rentals, especially if the Toronto 1st is on the table. I could be very wrong, though. Personally, I bet they take one more swing at Kase or Roslovic. Miles Wood could be another option if they decide to swing on a buy-low, but that acquisition would be considerably cheaper than a 1st round pick.
bleedgreen
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I’d want a center that pushes Staal down the lineup. I don’t mind adding to get one. I don’t want Hall personally as I don’t want his contract, and I don’t want us giving up the first for a rental as at this point I’m not convinced we have what it takes this year.
Haula was pushing Staal down as far as I’m concerned so a player who’s worth a first like that. Haula wasn’t worth a first but he was damaged goods going in which factored into it.
I’m interested in Miles Wood but I’m not really sure of the cost. I think he’d fit in well with the Canes.
You probably aren't - I just didn't know how impatient the new owner may be. It just seems like the first will be higher than expected and could potentially buy a lot of help going into the playoff race.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Haula's been amazing when he's on the ice. The issue is that he has tendonitis and needs long-term pain management. If he can get a hold of that, he'll be just fine. Dzingel-Haula-Necas is a powerhouse of a third line when all are healthy. Honestly, our only true need is one more right shot. If Willy returns and is reasonably productive, they may not even need any deadline fix.
bleedgreen
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It’s an unknown. He’s having problems with his knee, which was a nasty injury last year. Waddell is painting it like it’s nothing to worry about, just sometimes he’s going to need to take time off like this to let it calm down....but I generally don’t take anything Waddell says at face value. Haula has been off for awhile and hasn’t looked comfortable since that early burst. The knee is definitely an issue and being a ufa that’s poor timing. Overall he looks slower than he has in the past, which still leaves him above average. He’s been a good player for the Canes, we just need him in the lineup.
I agree about the right shots. We really need more. One that can play on pp would greatly help but we could use two or three spread amongst the forwards. It’s awkwardly unbalanced right now.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
I'm probably the one Cane fan that is comfortable with a Hall contract on the books. By the time that Svech and Dougie get their extensions, the cap should be considerably higher with the new TV deal. If the cap is around $90+M by 2020-21 and/or 2021-22, there should be room for all three without compromising depth on the roster. Next year, there's only Foegele and Wallmark to re-sign, with all else being gravy pieces. The extension for that year would essentially cover parts of the Marleau buy-out.
bleedgreen
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We’d be paying for his 28-36 years. I think while he’s still a great player usually at this point his best days have happened. Also I’d like to wait for a unexpected center to come available, we’re soft at the position and if I have to pay that contract to that age group I’d want a center. We’d be a better team for it.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Usually, there are a tier of players that are well-worth paying huge UFA extensions to. Examples include Stamkos, Tavares, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Panarin, Couture, Burns, Karlsson, age-28 Pavelski. It's a small, exclusive group of players, but they do exist. I consider Taylor Hall to be in that category of player.
bleedgreen
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Maybe? I think I would take every single one of those players over him (except Karlsson who I think is a huge bust), so I'm not so sure.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Karlsson hasn't been close to a bust. He's got some outstanding analytics since his slow start in October. The question with him going forward is injuries, not talent.
bleedgreen
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Check back in five years.
The point remains, other than that one name we don’t agree on I don’t put him with the others though I agree he’s close. I’m just hung up on the “If we’re going to pay that contract I would prefer it to be a center”.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Personally, I'm a "get that talent regardless of position" kind of fellow. That philosophy is how Dougie Hamilton became a Cane even though we had defensive depth up the wazoo even at the time the trade was made.
bleedgreen
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I don't disagree with that, but we'd still be looking for a better center with less cap space to use on him whereas if we didnt get Dougie we still would've had a good defense. We have dwindling space, even with some opening up after this year. If we got a center and still had room for Hall I'd be all about it.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
You haven't considered the possibility that Necas transitions to center next year. He very well could be our #2 center considering how productive that he has been on the wing at age-20. This, in a nutshell, is why talent matters more than position.
bleedgreen
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I’ve never seen Necas as a center, so you’re right about that. I’m not considering that possibility, lol. To be fair the team still hopes that so it’s definitely on the table. It’s hard to imagine him being that strong a center when he doesn’t seem to have that in his NHL level game yet. I’d like someone who’s like Staal in that there’s no doubt about it. He’s a center.
