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Confirmed with Link: [CAR/DAL] Rantanen to DAL, Stankoven, 1sts to CAR

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Anton Dubinchuk said:
Agree to disagree.
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Fair.

Just to elaborate my view though, it's not just the value coming back being underwhelming to me, it's largely the missed opportunity with using Necas as a key asset to upgrade the team. We have (in my view) 3 big holes on this team: top 6 winger, 2C, 1RHD. With a lack of elite top tier scoring talent too which could in theory overlap with any of those positions.

Necas could be the core piece in a trade for a long term solution at any of those 3 spots and could get us back elite talent. It did with Rantanen if we could've extended him, but we didn't so we failed at the objective of filling one of those holes. And the return we got, while value-wise might be ok, will not be able to get us a long term answer at any of those spots. No team will trade a player the caliber of which we want without a main core piece coming back like Necas. You can't keep adding a bunch of scraps and hoping to get it done, nobody is trading a $100 bill for even 15,000 pennies when you can't convert it to bills.

Hall and about $4m in cap this year was worth a single 3rd rounder. So it's Necas, Drury, 2nd, 4th for Stank, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 3rd. Call the 2nd/4th and 3rds a wash and you get Necas, Drury for Stank and a couple 1sts. Both 1sts are almost certainly going to be late 20s. Sorry I just can't get excited about that

Finlandia WOAT said:
Replace stank with Jarvis

I think thats a home run
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If Stankoven gets anywhere near Jarvis level I would be pleasantly surprised, I hope it happens, but the reality right now is he is nowhere near Jarvis, and odds are pretty high that he never even comes close.
 
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dogbazinho said:
Yeah whatever on the GF. She's irrelevant. Whether she made the decision or she's just an excuse, his play here and that reasoning is SOFT. We didn't need more oversized moody, soft players. Small kings is what we need. 6'0 and under hard boys. I don't know where I was going with this.
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We started with Seth "Bart Harley" Jarvis and now they've graduated into Little Buff Boys territory.
 
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AhosDatsyukian said:
Fair.

Just to elaborate my view though, it's not just the value coming back being underwhelming to me, it's largely the missed opportunity with using Necas as a key asset to upgrade the team. We have (in my view) 3 big holes on this team: top 6 winger, 2C, 1RHD. With a lack of elite top tier scoring talent too which could in theory overlap with any of those positions.

Necas could be the core piece in a trade for a long term solution at any of those 3 spots and could get us back elite talent. It did with Rantanen if we could've extended him, but we didn't so we failed at the objective of filling one of those holes. And the return we got, while value-wise might be ok, will not be able to get us a long term answer at any of those spots. No team will trade a player the caliber of which we want without a main core piece coming back like Necas. You can't keep adding a bunch of scraps and hoping to get it done, nobody is trading a $100 bill for even 15,000 pennies when you can't convert it to bills.

Hall and about $4m in cap this year was worth a single 3rd rounder. So it's Necas, Drury, 2nd, 4th for Stank, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 3rd. Call the 2nd/4th and 3rds a wash and you get Necas, Drury for Stank and a couple 1sts. Both 1sts are almost certainly going to be late 20s. Sorry I just can't get excited about that


If Stankoven gets anywhere near Jarvis level I would be pleasantly surprised, I hope it happens, but the reality right now is he is nowhere near Jarvis, and odds are pretty high that he never even comes close.
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A fun happenstance with Stankoven is that he's played 83 career games. Mostly as a 21-year-old (he turned 22 last week).

83 games, 15 goals, 28 assists, 43 points.

Seth Jarvis in the 2022-2023 season (mostly as a 20-year-old, turning 21 in Feb of that season)

82 games, 14 goals, 25 assists, 39 points.

It's a very clumsy comparison, because Jarvis was a little younger, but also had a full 68 games from the year before under his belt, etc. But the point is, this guy just turned 22 last week and is putting up pretty darn good numbers. Him being the 2C of the future is not out of the question.


I do get your point. But as has clearly been shown here, assets are fungible. Maybe Necas could've been used to directly fill the holes you're talking about, maybe he couldn't have. We ourselves just proved very clearly that these assets can be exchanged freely, we went from Necas to Rantanen to Stankoven with all the different permutations and combinations of picks and prospects and retention and rentals and everything else. That the 2C hole, or the 1RD hole, or the top 6 winger hole, or whatever, wasn't filled at this very trade deadline is what it is. But I highly doubt we end up using both of these 1st rounders to select 18-year-olds when it's all said and done. Boeser or Rakell wasn't the fit either.

Speaking of opportunity cost of not getting a 2C or an elite forward for Necas, want to hear something that doesn't sound real? Elias Pettersson hasn't scored a goal since the Rantanen/Necas trade... no guarantee that whoever you trade Necas for ends up filling one of those holes either (as we just proved with Rantanen). In general, when you make a trade that improves your position in net assets, I'm all for it. And unfortunately, as you mentioned, we weren't able to fill the roster need with the Necas trade because Rantanen's girlfriend didn't want to be here. So what do you do? Let Rantanen walk and get nothing for Necas? Or do you recover your asset position to be net-net better than what you started with, even if it's not the exact types of assets you'd prefer? To me, no brainer. Go recover the assets, put the arrow back in your quiver.
 
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Anton Dubinchuk said:
Nope, not at all.

In January, I would've happily traded Necas, Drury 2nd, 3rd, 4th, for Hall, Stankoven, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 3rd. In the middle, we swung and missed at extending Rantanen. Oh well, better off than we were in January.

Not coping, just a proper view of asset management. Perhaps an IQ test of sorts, one it seems you've failed.
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Mathematically, that is true in a Sam Presti sort of sense, but no question there's going to be a lot of nervous and maybe even angry fans right now. In terms of raw asset capital, late 1st round picks have a lot of value, and Stankoven is not a small add.
 
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He has every right to do dumb sh!t.

And I have every right to be pissed.

Glad his ass isn't costing us 13 million dollars for the next eight years. Rantanen and Haula will have a special place in my books.

I thought Finns are humble and professional in general. I might be getting old or something.
 
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robbieberns said:
yeah the wonderful cultural hub of Dallas: a desert full of strip malls and office parks - suburban commuter traffic as far as the eye can see
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For real. I'd be all mad and shit having to leave Colorado too (although Denver has become a shithole) but imagine thinking you'd like Dallas over Raleigh. I HATE Dallas. Hot, awful flat state, enormous sprawling city with terrible traffic, etc. Boo.
 
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I know a lot of you have hurt feelings, and rightfully so, but maybe you can take solace in knowing we just dodged a $100M bullet.

It's like the old adage (updated for inflation): if you lend a friend $50 and they never pay you back, consider it $50 well spent.
 
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geehaad said:
I know a lot of you have hurt feelings, and rightfully so, but maybe you can take solace in knowing we just dodged a $100M bullet.

It's like the old adage (updated for inflation): if you lend a friend $50 and they never pay you back, consider it $50 well spent.
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Find it hard to be broken up about it when the guy didn't look like a 100 mil player. Guentzel's instant success, he was not
 
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Negan4Coach said:
Trying to be sanguine about this. The return seems better than I thought it would be. But imagine if they had signed him to big money and then he kept playing like a soft, mopey crap bag and then we got smoked in the playoffs. No way we're getting past FLA now anyways.
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That's something I've been thinking about too given the red flags we were seeing, at least we avoided that worst possible outcome. If he had agreed to sign the $100m deal a week ago when offered, only for us to realize he's more like a 75-point player when he's not on MacKinnon's wing that we're stuck paying $12.5m a year until he's 37...not great.

Knowing that it was a flop and being able to pivot in time, while not the home run we thought we were hitting originally, still ended up with decent value and we live to swing another day.
 
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I would have liked Marchment in place of one the picks, but oh well. Better return than I actually expected.

Has Stankoven actually played any C for the Stars? He’s tiny but is listed as a C
 
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FreshSeabass said:
womp womp the first round picks are top 10 protected. Obviously doesnt matter but you think you could get straight up non conditional picks for a player like that and signed
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Simply hilarious.

It's a moot point because Dallas likely isn't bottoming out, but the fact that we couldn't even get unprotected 1sts for an extended Rantanen is absolutely pathetic.
 
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Finlandia WOAT said:
He mentions her *by name*, it's definitely her.




I'd think she wasn't too enthused about Denver either, but there he had a bunch of good reasons. I like it here, I'm entrenched, buddies on the team, we've won a Cup together, lots of skiing nearby. All that goes out the windows in Raleigh.

Dallas has a massive night life, and I'm sure a bunch of nice, comfy chairs from which Mikko can watch.
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As someone that has lived in and around the denver area for 25 years I would say I’m surprised if she was happy here in CO. Denver ain’t no fancy metropolis either. Not a social influencer kind of place unless you are influencing outdoorsy stuff.
 
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