Confirmed with Link: [CAR/DAL] Rantanen to DAL, Stankoven, 1sts to CAR

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Exactly. The rumored deal in the off-season was Necas to Columbus for their 1st round pick. Obviously, a lottery pick is great, but getting Hall + Stankoven + two 1sts is probably more valuable than most lottery picks
Hhhm. Don’t agree.

I’ll take a lottery pick as my selection versus two very late 1st rounders and Stankoven. 4th pick can be superstar potential; 30th is typically not.

And as I noted, we would have Hall anyway since Chicago was looking to unload him.

Edit: I just don’t see Stankoven as a star/worthy of a top 10 pick. Time will tell of course.
 
Rewind back to the summer of 2024. If we had offered Necas for Stank straight up Dallas fans probably say no. Stank was coming off of a terrific end of season and playoff performance. Necas actually had a really solid playoff but still frustrated with inconsistent play and turnovers in the playoffs, and had a super underwhelming 23-24 regular season. Drury was a dime a dozen bottom 6er - a 4C on a good team who is good defensively but offers not much physicality or offense. We essentially move on from Necas to Stankoven but have all of Stank's team control (including one more ELC year). As a bonus perhaps for taking on a much less proven player, we also swap a 2nd+3rd+4th for 1st+1st+3rd+3rd. Asset-wise, that's about as good as you can expect.

In the Tulsky GM school, we sold high on Necas - I don't think he would ever have as much value as he did after the first 30 games this year. We sold probably on the highest month he had had so far since he was drafted. We also bought low on Stankoven - Stank just turned 22 and was considered untradeable 6 months ago. Asset wise this is pretty good management. It also avoids the possibility of locking in $13.5M for a 29-37 year old Rantanen who scores 60 points and is bad defensively.

Whether he is a future Jarvis on a snakebit streak, or will never put together, time will tell. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he is so young. For what it's worth, Stank is a little older than Jackson Blake and has 7 more points this year. I'd consider Blake to be virtually untradeable given how well he has looked on the ice.

Fit-wise, this is also good asset management. I thought Rants' style would fit the team perfectly, but clearly his actual on-ice play this year proved me wrong. He could surely have turned it around, but maybe he wouldn't. Hall hasn't scored a bunch for us, but he has been a more visibly motivated, dangerous, and committed player. I'd rather lean on that kind of playstyle in the playoffs. Stankoven should be more of the same.

I think it was @bleedgreen who said in the summer that he'd rather outright have a team of Rod-first players than get the skill guys who don't fit in. Seems like this string of moves puts us more in that direction.

This summer we'll have 37 million bucks to play with. We can easily fit in Marner. Hell, we could buy two Mitch Marners and not look back. (Honestly, Mitch doesn't fit our needs but I think he'd fit our playstyle perfectly if he makes it to UFA.) But we also have to be really careful. We now have a shitton of guys who *could* be gamechangers for us after their ELCs: Jackson Blake, Alex Nikishin, Logan Stankoven, Bradly Nadeau, Scott Morrow, Nikita Artamov. That collection of quality young players I'd put up against any contender in the league. But you have to be careful. If we lock into big boy contracts for 30-37 years for too many guys, you won't be able to afford all your young talent down the line. Bottom line, the biggest mistakes are often ones you make where you feel like you can't lose. I trust management to spend like gangbusters, and I also trust them to still be good decision-makers.
 
This summer we'll have 37 million bucks to play with. We can easily fit in Marner. Hell, we could buy two Mitch Marners and not look back. (Honestly, Mitch doesn't fit our needs but I think he'd fit our playstyle perfectly if he makes it to UFA.) But we also have to be really careful. We now have a shitton of guys who *could* be gamechangers for us after their ELCs: Jackson Blake, Alex Nikishin, Logan Stankoven, Bradly Nadeau, Scott Morrow, Nikita Artamov. That collection of quality young players I'd put up against any contender in the league. But you have to be careful. If we lock into big boy contracts for 30-37 years for too many guys, you won't be able to afford all your young talent down the line. Bottom line, the biggest mistakes are often ones you make where you feel like you can't lose. I trust management to spend like gangbusters, and I also trust them to still be good decision-makers.

The key to get through it, IMO, is to sign UFAs to high-dollar/low-term contracts unless it's a guy as good as Marner or (maybe) Ehlers. Considering the pending cap explosion over the next three seasons, more players and agents may actually be OK with such an arrangement. Then, as those contracts expire, get the 8 year money flowing to the Gen Z wave.
 
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Simply hilarious.

It's a moot point because Dallas likely isn't bottoming out, but the fact that we couldn't even get unprotected 1sts for an extended Rantanen is absolutely pathetic.
Seems pretty standard now a days. When was the last time a 1st round pick was traded without being top 10 protected?
 
We'll see what they put in play this summer, but the 26 draft is supposed to be talented and deep (always subject to change this far out). Now we can even put one in play and still have one. Or if you keep both and the draft is that good you could get some real window extenders.
 
I dont understand this team anymore. They traded Necas who had cheap contract trough next season for Rantanen when they had no clue if Mikko is signing with them. Now they trade him(kinda must to do) to Dallas for Stankoven who is good player and some draft picks. Problem for me starts with draft picks. Carolina should have been win now mode. Not a team who is collecting draft picks. Why would they trade for Rantanen if they are not in win mode? And yes they can use these picks next summer to make some splash but it seems weird to me what they are doing.
 
I dont understand this team anymore. They traded Necas who had cheap contract trough next season for Rantanen when they had no clue if Mikko is signing with them. Now they trade him(kinda must to do) to Dallas for Stankoven who is good player and some draft picks. Problem for me starts with draft picks. Carolina should have been win now mode. Not a team who is collecting draft picks. Why would they trade for Rantanen if they are not in win mode? And yes they can use these picks next summer to make some splash but it seems weird to me what they are doing.
Win now? When we basically suck and ans can barely beat boston and Calgary?

You're beating Washington Florida and Winnipeg are we?
 
Win now? When we basically suck and ans can barely beat boston and Calgary?

You're beating Washington Florida and Winnipeg are we?

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Canes shock many people this postseason. With someone like Stankoven teamed up with guys like Jarvis, Blake, and KK, on top of the more veteran guys, there's going to be a lot of youthful energy in our team that other contenders don't really have in the east. Also, unlike our most recent runs, we're also going to have a bit of an underdog vibe, as well.
 
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Canes shock many people this postseason. With someone like Stankoven teamed up with guys like Jarvis, Blake, and KK, on top of the more veteran guys, there's going to be a lot of youthful energy in our team that other contenders don't really have in the east. Also, unlike our most recent runs, we're also going to have a bit of an underdog vibe, as well.
Good. Build on it. I'm glad we couldn't give away any more assets on a shit season. We already have our shitty over paid rentals in orlov and burns.

Run what you brung and fix the mother f***in pp
 
Win now? When we basically suck and ans can barely beat boston and Calgary?

You're beating Washington Florida and Winnipeg are we?
I have no clue what team did you follow last 5 years but they have been in the mix all the time. How you explain this trade for Mikko Rantanen if they did not think they can do some damage now? They just f***ed up big time. They had one of the best D-cores in the league 2 years ago(still not bad). They only needed a goalie who can be healthy and good 2nd line center back then. Its not like this anymore. I still think they have a really good shot at playoffs though. Team is not bad!!!!
 
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if the Canes shock many people this postseason. With someone like Stankoven teamed up with guys like Jarvis, Blake, and KK, on top of the more veteran guys, there's going to be a lot of youthful energy in our team that other contenders don't really have in the east. Also, unlike our most recent runs, we're also going to have a bit of an underdog vibe, as well.
That's the tension. Let's assume they make a nice run-- part of me will be thinking, "Imagine if management had actually supported them this year."

I've accepted it. And, of course I'll cheer them on, because I have no doubt they will work their a**es off in the postseason; but that's part of my frustration in not bringing in more help.

It is what it is. We still have a relatively young and very likable core. I hope to see them hoist the Cup one day.
 
Stankoven is gonna be a good one. Sucks to give him up in this deal even though I know it's worth it for Rantanen

But seriously, yall will like him a lot. Tons of skill and pace to his game. Finishing isn't there but he was a great finisher in the minors (was always more known for his goal-scoring, just hasn't figured it out at this level yet). I think he will honestly. Gets/generates a ton of chances. Really sad to see him go. He can take over shifts at times
 
I dont understand this team anymore. They traded Necas who had cheap contract trough next season for Rantanen when they had no clue if Mikko is signing with them. Now they trade him(kinda must to do) to Dallas for Stankoven who is good player and some draft picks. Problem for me starts with draft picks. Carolina should have been win now mode. Not a team who is collecting draft picks. Why would they trade for Rantanen if they are not in win mode? And yes they can use these picks next summer to make some splash but it seems weird to me what they are doing.

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Stankoven is gonna be a good one. Sucks to give him up in this deal even though I know it's worth it for Rantanen

But seriously, yall will like him a lot. Tons of skill and pace to his game. Finishing isn't there but he was a great finisher in the minors (was always more known for his goal-scoring, just hasn't figured it out at this level yet). I think he will honestly. Gets/generates a ton of chances. Really sad to see him go. He can take over shifts at times
Thanks. It sounds like Stankoven is going to fit this team perfectly, right down to the taking over shifts, generating a ton of chances, and finishing surprisingly few of them.

I know Dallas never had reason to use him like this, but do you think he can play C at this level? 2C is a gaping hole this team really needs to fill.
 
How you explain this trade for Mikko Rantanen if they did not think they can do some damage now?

Adding 50-goal, 100-point Rantanen would have been season altering.

Adding him for 8 years would have been franchise altering.

In reality we got a Martinook-level scorer without the Martinook-level defense. Which was season altering in the other direction.

Bringing in Stankoven is as close as we were going to get to ending up where we started. Which is a team that’s not doing any serious damage. If we have a little postseason adventure and win a round or two, cool. But this team is not built to win a Stanley Cup. We’re in here talking about our big advantage being young legs, like we’re coming out of a rebuild or something.
 
Thanks. It sounds like Stankoven is going to fit this team perfectly, right down to the taking over shifts, generating a ton of chances, and finishing surprisingly few of them.

I know Dallas never had reason to use him like this, but do you think he can play C at this level? 2C is a gaping hole this team really needs to fill.

Not too sure, even at the AHL level the Stars didn't have him play center. He will take faceoffs but I don't think he will be a full-time center at this level
 
We’re in here talking about our big advantage being young legs, like we’re coming out of a rebuild or something.

Um, no. It's not that. It's actually that we have a team that has an interesting mix of young, old, and prime. Almost all of our key players have been on multiple playoff runs. We had a bunch of UFA departures this offseason, but now with guys like Stankoven and Blake mixed in, our roster looks a lot like what Dallas's roster did a few years ago, during Johnston's rookie year. Some of the toys are a bit misfitted around the edges, but this is still a really good team at its core.
 
I dont understand this team anymore. They traded Necas who had cheap contract trough next season for Rantanen when they had no clue if Mikko is signing with them. Now they trade him(kinda must to do) to Dallas for Stankoven who is good player and some draft picks. Problem for me starts with draft picks. Carolina should have been win now mode. Not a team who is collecting draft picks. Why would they trade for Rantanen if they are not in win mode? And yes they can use these picks next summer to make some splash but it seems weird to me what they are doing.
A Dallas trade was always going to be futures since Dallas wants to win now.

The team said they wanted to make more deals yesterday to solidify the roster. Problem was Rantanen being a little diva. If he puts pin to ink Thursday night Carolina has plenty of time to bring in more firepower but with turd biscuit on the roster there was no cap to make another move.
 
Seems pretty standard now a days. When was the last time a 1st round pick was traded without being top 10 protected?
The pick carolina sent ny for skjei was unprotected.

It was conditional, but the condition was if the canes had two 1sts they'd send the later of the two to ny. The canes had two, their own and toronto's, but toronto's was top 10 protected. So the potential existed for the canes to miss the playoffs, win the lottery, and have to send first overall to ny if toronto's pick was top 10. Which was theoretically possible but end ended up being 13. Yay jarvis.

This was the covid weirdo lottery, and the rangers ended up with number 1 anyway. They were only in the lottery because they lost in the play in round to the canes.

the cane's pick eventually went from ny to calgary to washington. They picked hendrix lapierre.

Breaking news - 2020 was a weird year.
 
Thanks. It sounds like Stankoven is going to fit this team perfectly, right down to the taking over shifts, generating a ton of chances, and finishing surprisingly few of them.

I know Dallas never had reason to use him like this, but do you think he can play C at this level? 2C is a gaping hole this team really needs to fill.
Canes Corsi numbers are going to up but goals scored flat….
 
I remember when fans used to complain that management never took risks—always playing it safe, never the bridesmaid, so to speak.

We should appreciate that our GM was willing to take a chance. He rolled the dice and lost in terms of keeping the player, but it shows he’s not afraid to make a move when the opportunity arises. He strikes me as someone who won’t make the same mistake twice—or at least will adjust his approach next time to mitigate additional risk. I think TD is similar in that regard.

Both of them, especially Tlusky, are still relatively new to owning and running a professional hockey team. Mistakes will happen, but as we saw with their offer to Mikko, they learned from the Guentzel situation. That said, the JG situation had other contributing factors, like the team being in a cap crunch.

And it’s not like they didn’t get a good return. While it wasn’t a king’s ransom, two first-round picks—late selections or not—still hold significant value as draft capital. As for Stankoven, I’m not ready to call him the next Jarvis just yet, but everything suggests he’s a prototypical Hurricane and a Rod-type player. Chances are, he’ll fit in seamlessly.

My completely speculative take? I think we dodged a bullet with that contract. Only time will tell, and we’ll find out soon enough. Maybe he goes to Dallas, plays lights out, and helps them win a Cup, proving me completely wrong. But I just never liked his energy.
 
I mean now that the era is done, Rantanen was a shit player for the Canes. I still think he would have eventually turned it around, but it's very clear that he let his emotions get the best of him and his sulking and moodiness over being here not only dragged himself down but impacted the locker room as a whole.

You can't have players like that on a team. I don't care what his reasoning for being so moody was, that kind of cancerous attitude will eventually come to light everywhere, and I would worry it could torch Dallas down the line, especially without a hard ass like MacKinnon to keep him in line.

He was a 12 goal per year player for us. Objectively horrible for what we gave up and what he wanted in an extension. Everything Colorado fans warned us about with him ended up being true and I'm glad we moved on. I just wish we could have gotten more for an elite forward on a 8 year contract, but we'll have to see how those picks are used at the draft. (Though being 2026 and 2028 picks, who knows how easy we'll be able to move them).
 

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