Confirmed Trade: [CAR/CGY] Eddie Lack, Ryan Murphy and 7th ('19) for Keegan Kanzig & 6th ('19)

[tmurfin]

Flames got possibly the worst back up in the NHL over the last two seasons.

And a waiver wire pick up.

How is that solid?

I know why Carolina does it. They are trying to dump salary.
Seems like Calgary just picked up contracts for the sake of picking up contracts.

I just told you why the Flames did it. Lack had one bad year, he can still COMPETE for a backup spot, if he loses out on the job, oh well. Same can be said for Murphy, if he doesn't win a spot for opening night, he's an injury replacement. And they gave up nothing. Solid.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

woof

 

[SmellOfVictory]

I just looked up Murphy stats from last season and I was apalled.

Carolna traded trash for Keegan Kanzig and moved up a round in 2019.

Kanzig isn't even an AHL-worthy prospect, so I wouldn't exactly say the Canes pulled a coup. Weird trade, but value-wise I'd argue the Flames got the better deal simply because Murphy is young and some form of NHLer (even if he's not a good one).

 

[Bank Shot]

I just told you why the Flames did it. Lack had one bad year, he can still COMPETE for a backup spot, if he loses out on the job, oh well. Same can be said for Murphy, if he doesn't win a spot for opening night, he's an injury replacement. And they gave up nothing. Solid.

Lack has had two bad years in a row. Not one.

 

[tmurfin]

Lack has had two bad years in a row. Not one.

Point stands.

 

[me2]

Lack had negative value.

at full price maybe but at 50% off he's a solid pick up. Either he'll provide a solid veteran for the AHL who can be called up or he'll rebound a bit and be a decent backup on a great contract. Either way it's only one year and he's expendable if the prospect goalies take his spot. Worst case, ~$300K cap hit for both combined.

Murphy had zero value.

same with Murphy. AHL fodder at worst but still decent depth to call up if needed.

Brad traded for nothing.

He added some depth IMHO. $300K cap risk isn't much. Only downside is cash if they both fail.

He could have gotten equal or better players for the same price in free agency for nothing.

probably not for the money.

Maybe he's doing Carolina a solid. I dunno.

Carolina gets a $1.375m cap hit for nothing. They get to use the other $1.375m somewhere else I guess.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I just told you why the Flames did it. Lack had one bad year, he can still COMPETE for a backup spot, if he loses out on the job, oh well. Same can be said for Murphy, if he doesn't win a spot for opening night, he's an injury replacement. And they gave up nothing. Solid.

Lack can definitely be a good backup. He was good in Vancouver and it was said he's a great guy in the room. I think the Flames did alright here

 

[me2]

Lack has had two bad years in a row. Not one.

IMHO he really only had one bad year. Last year he had 5 games to start the year that were poor, that made it look worse because everyone remembered the year before, that's what people associated with his entire year. He was passable the other 15 once he got back from injury.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

 

[Hurricane Hugo]

A little bit of nothing for a little bit more nothing. Impressive.

 

[DJJones]

If Lack rebounds then great. If not, he's cheap enough to send down to the AHL.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Lots of meh. I really like Lack as a person though.

 

[Svechhammer]

Got rid of Lack and got rid of Murphy and didn't sacrifice anything of importance to do it. Love the deal as a Canes fan.

A lot of people are saying this is good for the Flames because it adds a warm body. Trust me, Murphy is not the warm body you want at the NHL level. He's a guy who should be buried in the AHL but you can't do it because of the salary. Any time he is on the ice, just expect momentum to swing the other teams way. Lack isn't bad and I wish him well, but he had no future in Carolina. And hey, we got a kid to help out our minors in the process.

But yeah if you're hoping for ANY decent play out of Murphy, you're going to be disappointed. He has no business playing at the NHL level anymore.

 

[Figgy44]

I liked Kanzig. But honestly, he is about as interesting as a 6th rounder or 7th rounder long shot. Some fans who watch the prospect camps say that Kanzig improved every year since drafted. He unfortunately though is not even close to being in the top half talent wise and we have quite a few left handed dmen.

I'm thinking he might be the type of guy to start figuring things out in his mid 20s and maybe stick in the NHL in his late 20s if he keeps at it. Good luck to Kanzig. Hopefully this trade really benefits both teams. The amount we're paying for goal tending this season is ridiculous. I don't know whether to say it's good or bad.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Boy, Murphy's value certainly plummeted. Where's that guy that kept insisting Murphy was going to be a star in this league (don't think he was even a Canes' fan -- just some Kitchener fan)?

 

[JPeeper]

Not sure if people realize how terrible Keegan Kanzig is.

Guy isn't even a #7 d-man on an AHL team.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Got rid of Lack and got rid of Murphy and didn't sacrifice anything of importance to do it. Love the deal as a Canes fan.

A lot of people are saying this is good for the Flames because it adds a warm body. Trust me, Murphy is not the warm body you want at the NHL level. He's a guy who should be buried in the AHL but you can't do it because of the salary. Any time he is on the ice, just expect momentum to swing the other teams way. Lack isn't bad and I wish him well, but he had no future in Carolina. And hey, we got a kid to help out our minors in the process.

But yeah if you're hoping for ANY decent play out of Murphy, you're going to be disappointed. He has no business playing at the NHL level anymore.

Justin Schultz play outside of Edmonton made me stop with blanket assumptions on what players could or couldn't reasonably do with a change of scenery

 

[me2]

A lot of people are saying this is good for the Flames because it adds a warm body. Trust me, Murphy is not the warm body you want at the NHL level. He's a guy who should be buried in the AHL but you can't do it because of the salary.

Maybe Carolina can't afford to bury him but Calgary can.

 

[My Special Purpose]

A year from now, the only things in this trade with any value will be the 2019 draft picks. Carolina moved up a round. Win Carolina.

Although declaring a winner and loser in this trade is kinda silly.

I do wonder who brought up the idea of swapping picks in the 6th/7th rounds in 2019. I bet that was a funny conversation. And I'm almost certain it was Ron Francis.

 

[Vitto79]

Always nice to clear some deadwood

Yea it's poop from Carolina w upside for Calgary lol

Lack could rebound

 

[DFF]

Justin Schultz play outside of Edmonton made me stop with blanket assumptions on what players could or couldn't reasonably do with a change of scenery

Exactly, and Murphy makes 800K. It's not the end of the world

As for Lack, It would cost them as much to sign a FA goalie with just as big a question mark.

Basically a no risk trade to fill the bottom of the roster.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Not sure if people realize how terrible Keegan Kanzig is.

Guy isn't even a #7 d-man on an AHL team.

Carolina doesn't need him to be anything more.

 

[Snakepit]

Exactly, and Murphy makes 800K. It's not the end of the world

As for Lack, It would cost them as much to sign a FA goalie with just as big a question mark.

Basically a no risk trade to fill the bottom of the roster.

Especially since they both only have one year left on their contracts. Worst case scenario, Calgary gave nothing to get nothing

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

pretty meh trade all around

Flames didn't give up much and Lack could be a decent back-up, while Murphy is AHL fodder IMO

'Canes get something for a guy they were gonna waive anyways

 

[Figgy44]

We did great on the Sieloff v Chiasson. Hopefully this trade is similar. It only needs to offer more value than Kanzig and a 6th.

Canes already won in their own eyes. They aren't targeting talent. The scratch card in Kanzig and 6th is pure bonus.

Calgary moved assets expected to be non-factors long term. We are chasing the odd chance we get value out of Lack and Murphy. It's a swing for the fences move and no real loss if we strike out on this deal

There is no need to be upset.