Confirmed Trade: [CAR/CGY] Eddie Lack, Ryan Murphy and 7th ('19) for Keegan Kanzig & 6th ('19)

[Uncle Scrooge]

Canes clearly just trying to save some money. Those 2 are useless for them next season.

Lack makes 3M in actual $$ this year. Now they're only paying him 1.5M.

Murphy makes 825K both in the NHL and the AHL.

Keegar makes 70K in the minors.

So instead of 3.825M going to useless players, they only pay 1.57M

That's 2.255M in actual money saved right there. And they turn a 7th round pick to a 6th round pick.

When you think about it, 2 million is a lot of money. You'd rather save it than pay for nothing.

Definition of the type of trade we fans don't have to think about, since it's more of a financial thing than hockey thing.

 

[Jihadi Flames Fan]

If Lack can provide decent goaltending the Flames win this trade. Don't forget, Mike Smith is the #1. Lack will only be need to be called upon to make 15-20 starts.

 

[sheriff bart]

Canes clearly just trying to save some money. Those 2 are useless for them next season.

Lack makes 3M in actual $$ this year. Now they're only paying him 1.5M.

Murphy makes 825K both in the NHL and the AHL.

Keegar makes 70K in the minors.

So instead of 3.825M going to useless players, they only pay 1.57M

That's 2.255M in actual money saved right there. And they turn a 7th round pick to a 6th round pick.

When you think about it, 2 million is a lot of money. You'd rather save it than pay for nothing.

Definition of the type of trade we fans don't have to think about, since it's more of a financial thing than hockey thing.

This is exactly why the Canes do this. They were going to be paying both of those guys that money to play in the AHL this year.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

If Lack can provide decent goaltending the Flames win this trade. Don't forget, Mike Smith is the #1. Lack will only be need to be called upon to make 15-20 starts.

Lack was only called upon to play a handful of games in Carolina, behind an equally talented defense, and failed to do so.

I wouldn't expect much but I guess we will see.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

If Lack can provide decent goaltending the Flames win this trade. Don't forget, Mike Smith is the #1. Lack will only be need to be called upon to make 15-20 starts.

I don't think this trade can even have a loser. Lack and Murphy were goners one way or the other, not having to pay them as much next season is already a win for Carolina.

If Lack plays well for Calgary then great, but the Canes weren't going to use him anyway. If he plays like ass, then whatever, Flames didn't give up anything.

I guess Murphy is the wild card but he was never going to put it together in Carolina anyway. No improvement whatsoever.

It's just a situational trade for both teams. Flames wanted a backup, Canes wanted to get rid of players they didn't want. Regardless of how these players end up playing moving forward, at the time of making this trade both teams got what they wanted.

 

[Lunatik]

Lack was only called upon to play a handful of games in Carolina, behind an equally talented defense, and failed to do so.

I wouldn't expect much but I guess we will see.

It's cute you think your defense is that talented yet gave up ridiculous amounts of high quality scoring chances. The only reason the Canes have good possession metrics is because they're good at reducing shots for the outside

 

[Cynick]

I like this trade for Calgary only to get Lack as a back-up. I think he has bounce-back potential. Decent tandem in nets.

 

[lawrence]

Lack is a decent backup. Quality personality too. exactly the opposite of Mike Smith.

 

[KPower]

Lack is a nice guy, terrible goalie though.

 

[Cane mutiny]

I like this trade for Calgary only to get Lack as a back-up. I think he has bounce-back potential. Decent tandem in nets.

I think he does have potential to be a solid backup, or more. I know CAR fans here have soured on him, but he had flashes of the VAN Eddie at times. He also had to deal with the effects of a concussion last year, a bad goalie coach messing with his head, and a coach that showed no obvious confidence in him and public humiliation. There's no doubt in my mind he'll at least be better for you next year. Wish Eddie all the best! Real 👠guy.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's cute you think your defense is that talented yet gave up ridiculous amounts of high quality scoring chances. The only reason the Canes have good possession metrics is because they're good at reducing shots for the outside

How exactly do you think we managed not to be a rock-bottom team with Ward/Lack as our goalies and Skinner/Aho as our top forwards? It was the defense.

 

[Lunatik]

How exactly do you think we managed not to be a rock-bottom team with Ward/Lack as our goalies and Skinner/Aho as our top forwards? It was the defense.

A late run when the pressure was off the team doesn't make them good though. I'm not saying the defense is bad, but it's certainly not one of the best in the league either, I think they will be when they grow as a group but they aren't yet.

 

[Unsustainable]

A late run when the pressure was off the team doesn't make them good though. I'm not saying the defense is bad, but it's certainly not one of the best in the league either, I think they will be when they grow as a group but they aren't yet.

We was in the mix before the All Star Break

 

[Cane mutiny]

A late run when the pressure was off the team doesn't make them good though. I'm not saying the defense is bad, but it's certainly not one of the best in the league either, I think they will be when they grow as a group but they aren't yet.

Ahhh, the smell of envy...so sweet!

 

[tarheelhockey]

A late run when the pressure was off the team doesn't make them good though. I'm not saying the defense is bad, but it's certainly not one of the best in the league either, I think they will be when they grow as a group but they aren't yet.

You know what changed for our defensive group during that run? We traded Ron Hainsey (who I liked) and opened up a spot for Noah Hanifin in the top-4. He stepped in and took his game to the next level.

That WAS them growing as a group.

 

[Mitts]

Considering Marcoux is credited with turning Kipper into Kipper, I don't think you will find many Flames fans will agree with him being a poor coach. But that said, I am one that believes it needs to be the right fight between the goalie and the coach, if they don't mesh, they don't mesh. One plus for us I think is that Gulutzan knows Lack from Vancouver, so hopefully that helps.

When it comes to Murphy, I don't think we expect anything, but look at Schultz going from Edmonton to Pittsburgh, sometimes a change of scenery and a different system can jump start a player. Don't expect it, but it would be great if it happened

I think Marcoux gets too much credit, when Kipper was traded here in 2003, he put up his best numbers in his career during that partial year he was with us, 38 gp, 1.70 Gaa 933 Spct. During Marcoux's 5 yrs coaching Kipper, his GAA and Spct dropped every year until Marcoux was fired at the end of the 09 season. I think all Kipper needed was the opportunity to run with the ball, his flexibility, reflexes and refusal to give up on a play had more to do with his success than Marcoux.

 

[Ole Gil]

Calgary got two players the Carolina Hurricanes didn't want on their roster. That's not a good sign.

 

[CowbellConray]

I remember when people were told Keegan kanzig could be a punishing bottom pairing D because of his 3% body fat or something. God that's a funny thread to read. Dude is a scrub

 

[THall4]

I like this move for our southern neighbors.

I think Lack can benefit from a change of scenery and under a coach he knows from his Vancouver days...when he was actually decent.

 

[Bojangles]

It's cute you think your defense is that talented yet gave up ridiculous amounts of high quality scoring chances. The only reason the Canes have good possession metrics is because they're good at reducing shots for the outside

How exactly do you think we managed not to be a rock-bottom team with Ward/Lack as our goalies and Skinner/Aho as our top forwards? It was the defense.

I'm a Canes fan but Method is actually right. CAR gave up more high quality shot attempts than almost any team in the league.

Shot chart for season:
http://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/shotLocDef/1617/CAR/wrap.

Here's how to read it + standardized goalie rankings:
http://hockeyviz.com/txt/sGA

 

[Figgy44]

Calgary got two players the Carolina Hurricanes didn't want on their roster. That's not a good sign.

Well... we seemed to do well with Chiasson>Sieloff as a reclamation project. Hopefully this trade pans out as well. Colborne wasn't too bad for the price we paid as well. Internal competition is a good thing and management has been pushing for things like this ever since the Baertschi fiasco where Barts felt like he could lazily waltz up to the roster and get a role.

Chiasson on the top line was stupid. But I was happy with his play in the bottom 6.

Current year projects: Lazar, Lack and Murphy. If they fail, AHL they go.


Seriously, for the price of Kanzig and a nearly pointless pick bump, we received two tweeners. It might be a lot of meh, but that's still positive value. All players involved in the trade are disposable.

 

[Lunatik]

Calgary got two players the Carolina Hurricanes didn't want on their roster. That's not a good sign.

This is such stupid logic. We've seen numerous times where a player goes from a bad team to a god one and improves. Remember when the Coyotes bought out Vermette and then he went on to play very well for Anaheim? Or when the Oilers dumped Schultz and a year later he received Norris votes?

 

[tony d]

Calgary won this deal. Lack helps shore up their net. Murphy will be a good depth defenseman for them. As to Carolina I wonder if they're clearing salary in an effort to get an impact player.

 

[Johnny GODreau]

I remember when people were told Keegan kanzig could be a punishing bottom pairing D because of his 3% body fat or something. God that's a funny thread to read. Dude is a scrub

Kanzig was born in the wrong era of hockey.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I'm a Canes fan but Method is actually right. CAR gave up more high quality shot attempts than almost any team in the league.

Shot chart for season:
http://hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/shotLocDef/1617/CAR/wrap.

Here's how to read it + standardized goalie rankings:
http://hockeyviz.com/txt/sGA

That's neat, but the Canes are clearly not the worst defensive team in the league so that stat is obviously appraising the state of things pretty poorly.

This is such stupid logic. We've seen numerous times where a player goes from a bad team to a god one and improves. Remember when the Coyotes bought out Vermette and then he went on to play very well for Anaheim? Or when the Oilers dumped Schultz and a year later he received Norris votes?

Calgary had all of 7 points more than Carolina. This is not close to an Arizona->Anaheim or Edmonton->Pittsburgh situation.

Also, Murphy objectively sucks at the NHL level. It's not a case of not having enough support or failing to fit into the system. He just sucks. He's a defenseman who's small, only plays in the offensive zone, isn't very smart, and is an average skater. Those add up to a bad player. Switching teams won't change that for him, any more than it will for Kanzig.