Injury Report: Captain JT injury (aftermath)

[7even]

The fact of the matter is this,, and what I stated earlier.... its a slim chance you get a concussion from being knocked out.. but again, it all depends on where and how hard the impact was! 'how hard your brain smashes into your skull'
ETA: I am going out on a limb here and saying he doesn't have a concussion, but was knocked out from the impact, the thumbs up he gave and what Keefe said later on leads me to believe that he will be ok!, but only time will tell, but just my gut feeling!

Not nit picking or anything just something I learned from a guy a lot smarter than me that I thought was neat, concussions are shear injuries more than they're blunt impact injuries. Your brain is full of areas that have different densities. When your brain in your skull is accelerated/decelerated, the different densities lead to asymmetrical velocities, and that can shear your "wires." Think like, you're holding a three layer cake in a box on your lap in the car, and the driver slams on the brakes. Yeah the edges are gonna be f***ed up where they hit the box, but it's the separation of the layers that does the real damage.

 

[hfman]

I’m not versed in medical talk, and/or maybe I’m just naive, but what does “clear” mean here. Clear of what?

clear meaning that all initial tests have come back negative

I didn't think the comment was that confusing

 

[Leaf4Life79]

No you're reading it wrong. There is a slim chance you get knocked out by a concussion. In boxing any time you get knocked out it's an automatic 30 day suspension.

When did this ever turn into boxing boxing rules? I was saying that being knocked out and getting a concussion is very slim in comparison, don't try twisting things now! lol... this was about a poster saying that if you get knocked out you most likely got a concussion which is complete bullcrap! and that is where this train derailed lmfao.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Surely there's a better place to bicker about the frequency and relation of boxing concussions and KOs than the John Tavares injury thread.

 

[hfman]

The blood is coming from a gash on his forehead right above his eyebrows

But on page 1 of this thread we have a bunch of comments saying his eyes are bleeding

honestly this place can be down right crazy at the best of times

 

[Mats13]

At a time like this you can really tell apart the humans from the other kind. Posts in the Oilers and Islanders boards have crossed so many lines it’s a head scratcher how the mods there can keep the posts on and let the conversation continue down the rabbits hole. Wow. Congrats HFBoards.

Don't bother going on those boards

There’s people who value Leafs suffering over someone’s life and ability to live. Says a lot about their own character.

 

[lottster14]

Pace and feel of the game was incredible up until this incident. I've never felt panicky over something I've seen in a hockey game before, felt like I could've been watching someone die on the ice.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

Not nit picking or anything just something I learned from a guy a lot smarter than me that I thought was neat, concussions are shear injuries more than they're blunt impact injuries. Your brain is full of areas that have different densities. When your brain in your skull is accelerated/decelerated, the different densities lead to asymmetrical velocities, and that can shear your "wires." Think like, you're holding a three layer cake in a box on your lap in the car, and the driver slams on the brakes. Yeah the edges are gonna be f***ed up where they hit the box, but it's the separation of the layers that does the real damage.

Yes I know this... when you get knocked out, it is a total different part of your brain as opposed to the impact on other said areas of your brain 'the wires' that would lead to a concussion. I don't think JT got a concussion, but we shall wait and see. 'crossing my fingers he is ok'

 

[Vaive50]

You for real man? Imagine one of your close friends or family having a horrific head injury with no information about how they are doing. Do you really think you’d have a great day at work. Have some perspective dude, Jesus.

Its a f***ing game in the end. Who cares about the result tn.

I agree that JT's health concern is first but I'm also sure that even JT wanted the win. The sucky thing about the loss is the way it happened, on a friggin shorthanded goal. It's bad enough their PP has to be so bad but it's even worse when they let back breaking SH goals in that decide the game. Let's hope for even more good news about JT and now the guys come out and win it for him.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

How accurate and relevant do we think that 10 year old article is compared to today when the definition they ultimately use for knockout is extremely similar to our current one for concussions?

The areas of the brain impacted include the cerebellum and the brain stem in which when hit against the skull, they cause either loss of motor control or loss of consciousness.

Look, I just grabbed a quick article, go do your own research.

 

[Gallagbi]

Ya I see what you're saying. It's weirdly worded.

I think this one explains it better personally

What Happens When You’re Knocked Unconscious?.

This seems to contradict your belief @Leaf4Life79

Look, I just grabbed a quick article, go do your own research.

Have been and can't find anything supporting that distinction or your general claim. I did come across the above though

 

[Mats13]

Surely there's a better place to bicker about the frequency and relation of boxing concussions and KOs than the John Tavares injury thread.

Yes but how else would they prove they’re “right”?

As we all know that’s more important than the health of John Tavares.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

I think this one explains it better personally

What Happens When You’re Knocked Unconscious?.

This seems to contradict your belief @Leaf4Life79


Have been and can't find anything supporting that distinction. Did come across the above though

Look... without trying to sound like I am arguing with you, I just want to state this... being knocked out DOES NOT indicate that you are concussed. They are two totally different circumstances and the right things and the right place and the right impact have to take hold in order for a concussion to happen.. a normal knockout does not for sure equal a concussion.. Have a good night.

 

[Gallagbi]

Yes but how else would they prove they’re “right”?

As we all know that’s more important than the health of John Tavares.

I mean, I think it's more interesting to read about concussions and knockouts than "get well" JT posts that will surely ensue overnight while we wait for updates from the trained professionals.

 

[7even]

Yes I know this... when you get knocked out, it is a total different part of your brain as opposed to the impact on other said areas of your brain 'the wires' that would lead to a concussion. I don't think JT got a concussion, but we shall wait and see. 'crossing my fingers he is ok'

I didn't, pretty crazy shit tbh, just goes to show ya biology is really just applied physics

 

[Leaf4Life79]

I didn't, pretty crazy shit tbh, just goes to show ya biology is really just applied physics

Life is pretty awesome when you think about it!

 

[Gallagbi]

Look... without trying to sound like I am arguing with you, I just want to state this... being knocked out DOES NOT indicate that you are concussed. They are two totally different circumstances and the right things and the right place and the right impact have to take hold in order for a concussion to happen.. a normal knockout does not for sure equal a concussion.. Have a good night.

You're welcome to argue with me, I just don't understand how and the links/background and my general info all seems to suggest a knockout is a concussion, but not all concussions are knockouts.

 

[Mats13]

I mean, I think it's more interesting to read about concussions and knockouts than "get well" JT posts that will surely ensue overnight while we wait for updates from the trained professionals.

I guess. But it’s just one side ignoring the truth. Most KOs aren’t concussions.

All you have to do is read any studies linked to MMA and it’s impact on the brain. Not really new info. As far as we know today, the likely result of a knockout is not a concussion.

 

[Rielly4]

Whatever dude... its just simple facts for a simple mind like yourself. You want to argue with me, that is your prerogative, maybe you had too many and just being a dink? but facts are facts... and in lemans terms, they we're explained to you.

lmao. Facts are facts because you say so. We have ourselves a medical genius because he was a boxer.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

You're welcome to argue with me, I just don't understand how and the links/background and my general info all seems to suggest a knockout is a concussion, but not all concussions are knockouts.

I am already pissed off we lost our C and lost.. the last thing I want to do is argue with you my dude.. if you wanna argue with someone, I am not your guy. have a fantastic night. I said what I said, the info is all over the web! cheers.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

lmao. Facts are facts because you say so. We have ourselves a medical genius because he was a boxer.

have another one tough guy.. google is your friend, don't need to ask me!

 

[RealisticLeaf55]

Just as a heads up, Mark Masters did disclaim things are looking good and Tavares is responsive. His first scan shows the all clear but brain damage can take even months before it can show up.

My hope is he is okay, that he shows so immediate signs and continues to progress to normal condition. Just the blood loss, the lack of balance and initial slip into unconsciousness has me worried. I had an ex who specialized in PCS and CTE scans, it can be tricky and take from 24 hours to even a year before symptoms show.

For anyone who is just looking to argue science. I won't respond. I don't have the care to. I've been hit, and seen close friends face these injuries. It crushes you.

Habs can have their blood win.

 

[Rielly4]

I am already pissed off we lost our C and lost.. the last thing I want to do is argue with you my dude.. if you wanna argue with someone, I am not your guy. have a fantastic night. I said what I said, the info is all over the web! cheers.

yep and all the info on the web goes against what you said...Other than your myspace article from 10 years ago of course.

 

[Leaf4Life79]

Just as a heads up, Mark Masters did disclaim things are looking good and Tavares is responsive. His first scan shows the all clear but brain damage can take even months before it can show up.

My hope is he is okay, that he shows so immediate signs and continues to progress to normal condition. Just the blood loss, the lack of balance and initial slip into unconsciousness has me worried. I had an ex who specialized in PCS and CTE scans, it can be tricky and take from 24 hours to even a year before symptoms show.

For anyone who is just looking to argue science. I won't respond. I don't have the care to. I've been hit, and seen close friends face these injuries. It crushes you.

Habs can have their blood win.

My thoughts exactly.. he looked like he just got knocked out from the impact. I have seen it in boxing many times, the way he stood up etc. Just seems like he was knocked out, the blood loss.. I think that was from impact on visor? I think he will be ok! I really do! Crossing my fingers with ya!

 

[Gallagbi]

I guess. But it’s just one side ignoring the truth. Most KOs aren’t concussions.

All you have to do is read any studies linked to MMA and it’s impact on the brain. Not really new info. As far as we know today, the likely result of a knockout is not a concussion.

It's funny, I cant find much stating this.

I've seen a few links stating a KO is an obvious concussion, like the one I posted earlier and this one (is Dr KickAss reputable?)

Understanding Concussions for MMA – Doctor Kickass