Injury Report: Captain JT injury (aftermath)

[mydnyte]

Can someone with a medical background provide a worst and best case scenario?

he may never play hockey again... that would be my worry, and for his family, that he may never be himself again.
he took a savage headshot ...it wasnt like a punch, this was a 200+ lb man's reinforced knee right to the head, unexpectedly.
a fighter knows the punch is coming, and after a knockout they are often out for a week or more, and that is a slap in the face compared to what JT took.

in a perfect world, he has a 'magic' brain and he recovers fast. ...to expect that he returns in these playoffs is optimistic, but, possible, as the human body is a wonderful and mysterious thing.

i had a fractured skull as an example, and couldnt walk for 2 weeks, or even sit upright without puking or getting dizzy, and still have no memory of the night it happened almost 40 years later. ...it was a month before i was 'feeling normal'

 

[TkachukMyAho]

I do not believe Perry intended to 'hurt' JT, but, i'm sorry, and i may be in the minority here, but, i believe Perry could have avoided contact, or at the very least, not hit JT in the head.
I've been on skates for over 50 years, and at top speed, and on an instant, i have always had full control of my body.
the only time there is 'unavoidable' contact is when someone turns into you, or you are looking elsewhere.

Tavares fell in front of Perry.
Perry was facing the direction of play (i.e. looking towards JT)
while JT was falling to the ice, there is a huge amount of space around him (watchj the video in slow motion and you will see how far away Perry actually was)
when JT was on his backside Perry was still 2-3 strides away and moving towards JT and at that point seeing JT falling in front of him could have changed his lane and veered to the right
as JT fell further back, Perry continued in the closest possible lane near JT, and at that point it became 'unavoidable' contact

I'm sure he never expected what happened, but, to say he couldnt avoid it is not the truth.

...the replays clearly show Perry looking right at JT's face, so, he knew exactly where he was, and going, and did he pivot, or try to turn, or try to stop, not at all, he tried to go over his head.

Perry does not get the benefit of the doubt from me anymore. I agree with you. I've played for many years and even my old useless ass could have avoided collision there. People will sympathize with Perry but his history doesn't allow me to give him compassion.

 

[hockeyes]

What is routine about this?

A player falling or getting knocked to the ice is very routine, probably happens at least 100 times a game. It's also very routine for other players to do everything in their power to not run over a guy in that position. At best Perry was reckless and it's not a coincidence the same players are always involved in these types of things.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

I’ll never read anything Toronto Sun related ever again. Classless.

 

[Techcoockie]

neck heals faster than the brain ...and is far less serious. brain damage is life altering.

With a heavy neck damage + spinal cord trust me its way worst than a concussion. with the neck he's career can be done.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Very sad for JT .. it was a tough play and hard hit .. but does not mean he is concussed .. I have been knocked unconscious on ice 3 times over playing career .. once in junior with a right hook where I was out for 2 minutes and it was a flash knockout from a non bucket staged fight with a temple shot I got up and played rest of game after being groggy for 10 minutes on bench .. 2nd time was in IHL and got tripped behind net and 2nd forechecker kneed me in head and head into boards and blacked out for maybe 10 seconds but got myself up and skated to bench and played rest of game .. 3rd time i got a flying elbow which I did not see coming and it gave me whipwash where I played through it but I had dizziness, nausea, vomiting and headaches for like a few weeks after but back then concussions were an unknown thing for most part .. so bottom line you can take a violent blow to head and not end up with a concussion .. conversely you can take a much weaker shot and get concussed .. hopefully JT is not concussed after all modern medicine tests and can come back into lineup

 

[mydnyte]

With a heavy neck damage + spinal cord trust me its way worst than a concussion. with the neck he's career can be done.

I have had damage to both.
my spinal injuries are permanent (spinal chord damage), but, the brain damage can be far worse.
both and either can end a career.
from 1st hand experience (myself) spinal chord damage has left me with numbness and weakness, but, i can still live my life.
when i was suffering from 'brain damage' i was not able to function on my own.

 

[Primary Assist]

So other than the confirmation during the second period last night that he was transferred to the hospital, there have been no updates since - is that correct?

Keefe said that the tests were "clear" but that's still pretty vague. We don't know if they were concussion tests, whiplash tests, brain bleed tests, or anything. Apparently JT is at least alert and talking though.

I'm no doctor, but I am a youth hockey coach and we have to go through concussion spotting training. It sounds obvious, but I'd say there's no way he doesn't at least have a concussion after that.

Source: Maple Leafs' John Tavares: Initial tests positive

 

[CanadasTeam]

Courtesy of our resident cartoonist @Brian Evinou

 

[Cor]

 

[Clark4Ever]

Keefe said that the tests were "clear" but that's still pretty vague. We don't know if they were concussion tests, whiplash tests, brain bleed tests, or anything. Apparently JT is at least alert and talking though.

Source: Maple Leafs' John Tavares: Initial tests positive

I think the early positive indications were in reference to baseline tests for his cervical spine, which is the most important thing.

There is no doubt that he sustained a concussion and severe whiplash injuries and will be out indefinitely. But long term, he should be ok.

 

[Deebo]

 

[Cor]

 

[JT AM da real deal]

he may never play hockey again... that would be my worry, and for his family, that he may never be himself again.
he took a savage headshot ...it wasnt like a punch, this was a 200+ lb man's reinforced knee right to the head, unexpectedly.
a fighter knows the punch is coming, and after a knockout they are often out for a week or more, and that is a slap in the face compared to what JT took.

in a perfect world, he has a 'magic' brain and he recovers fast. ...to expect that he returns in these playoffs is optimistic, but, possible, as the human body is a wonderful and mysterious thing.

i had a fractured skull as an example, and couldnt walk for 2 weeks, or even sit upright without puking or getting dizzy, and still have no memory of the night it happened almost 40 years later. ...it was a month before i was 'feeling normal'

Well that is true I have been knocked unconscious 3 times for short periods of time and da 2 violent blows I was able to play rest of each game in in junior 1 in minor pro .. da one glancing blow actually concussed me but I still played through it .. so it is very hard to know how people react to these hits .. people should not write off JT he has got great will power and he will want to play again this series if tests are all negative like they appear to be .. if he does not have headaches and nausea for 24 hours after hit he will be fine

 

[Bluelines]

Just a classless move by a tabloid newspaper. Steve Simmons would be proud.

Its the crap you should expect from that type of rag who targets those type of knuckle dragging people who like that sort of stuff.

 

[robertmac43]

Amazing to hear JT is back at home.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

I thought we might be witnessing an extreme tragedy last night so to hear that he is released already is terrific news. At first I thought the skate caught him at high speed and heavy impact in the head and neck area.
Feel great for him and his family.

 

[Bluelines]

The guy has a heart of lion, if it was up to him he probably would have tried to come back in the 3rd period.

I gained a new respect for Tavares and Foligno for different reasons.

My son had a dramatic medical event about 20 years ago, I was shattered, like gut punched floored because I saw the whole thing, the Dr. told me, you need to understand that your son will probably not remember this day, it it will be more traumatic for you and your wife. The Dr. was right my son has zero recollection of the event. I hope this is true for John too, I hope he does not remember it and he fully recovers.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

I know it was an accident. But I still want revenge.

 

[Not My Tempo]

I honestly had a hard time sleeping last night. Overjoyed to hear he’s “okay”

 

[Bluelines]

Amazing to hear JT is back at home.

"Knowing" John from all the interviews I've watched, he probably feels worse about the loss than he does about his own personal condition.

 

[RyCam]

Aren't both owned by Quebecor... classless indeed. We hate this journal in Quebec but the regions only read that

The Sun newspapers are owned by Postmedia, which are equally as bad as Quebecor.

 

[Chippy]

I do not believe Perry intended to 'hurt' JT, but, i'm sorry, and i may be in the minority here, but, i believe Perry could have avoided contact, or at the very least, not hit JT in the head.
I've been on skates for over 50 years, and at top speed, and on an instant, i have always had full control of my body.
the only time there is 'unavoidable' contact is when someone turns into you, or you are looking elsewhere.

Tavares fell in front of Perry.
Perry was facing the direction of play (i.e. looking towards JT)
while JT was falling to the ice, there is a huge amount of space around him (watchj the video in slow motion and you will see how far away Perry actually was)
when JT was on his backside Perry was still 2-3 strides away and moving towards JT and at that point seeing JT falling in front of him could have changed his lane and veered to the right
as JT fell further back, Perry continued in the closest possible lane near JT, and at that point it became 'unavoidable' contact

I'm sure he never expected what happened, but, to say he couldnt avoid it is not the truth.

...the replays clearly show Perry looking right at JT's face, so, he knew exactly where he was, and going, and did he pivot, or try to turn, or try to stop, not at all, he tried to go over his head.

you should call the police with that much evidence.

 

[Bluelines]

you should call the police with that much evidence.

C'mon now, our fans can be a bit nuts at times but we are not 911 Montreal v Chara nuts...

 

[JT AM da real deal]

This means they ran spinal tests-fluids, eye tests, hearing tests, EEG, ICP and CT scans to check condition of brain .. he would not have been released if there was any sort of brain swelling or bleeding which is a great indicator he will recover fully .. only issue now is concussion which will get figure out in next 24 hours .. hope for no headaches or nausea folks