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really just not sure what fans wanted management to do. When they resigned the two most important players in franchise history 2 3 years ago that was the commitment to riding it out. Dont see what choice they had either. Can you imagine if they had let Ovi and backstrom walk and they both signed with pittsburgh. The last 10-15 years are undone. Want the team to win but Ovi breaking this record will belong to a Capital too. Would love it if the team had some luck like other teams and some unexpected prospects hit and they go on a couple runs. Its going to be a tough 4-6 years but that happens to every team after being dominant for a long stretch
 

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not naming names (im sure could figure out if you wanted) but saw on the main board a caps fan talking about following a different team since the caps are in a tailspin/limbo for the next few years. Been watching since the 80s so this doesnt make sense to me. All the ups and downs pretty much until the Ovi era and then the ups and downs with figuring out how to build a championship level team and now people jump ship. guess being a fan has changed a lot. 2018 was special because of all the years of watching. Not sure what people want management to do. Ovi has a few more years left. were they suppose to let him walk and start over a few years ago?

Thought you were talking about one of our locals so I did a quick look (took me less than a minute lol) and found the poster (link below). Don't think he/she posts here a lot. Plus, the avatar with an Erat pic....all I needed to see. haha :help:

Confirmed Signing with Link: - [CAR] D Dmitry Orlov signs with the Hurricanes (2 years, $7.75M AAV)

Anyway, over/under how many points Orlov scores against us next season?
 

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Thought you were talking about one of our locals so I did a quick look (took me less than a minute lol) and found the poster (link below). Don't think he/she posts here a lot. Plus, the avatar with an Erat pic....all I needed to see. haha :help:

Confirmed Signing with Link: - [CAR] D Dmitry Orlov signs with the Hurricanes (2 years, $7.75M AAV)

Anyway, over/under how many points Orlov scores against us next season?
Perfect. Thanks for sharing.

I just bid that poster “Bon Voyage” on that thread. In a relatively nice way, of course. :thumbu:
 

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not naming names (im sure could figure out if you wanted) but saw on the main board a caps fan talking about following a different team since the caps are in a tailspin/limbo for the next few years. Been watching since the 80s so this doesnt make sense to me. All the ups and downs pretty much until the Ovi era and then the ups and downs with figuring out how to build a championship level team and now people jump ship. guess being a fan has changed a lot. 2018 was special because of all the years of watching. Not sure what people want management to do. Ovi has a few more years left. were they suppose to let him walk and start over a few years ago?

I don't get it either, however folks are free to choose. I meet a lot of folks who claim to be Caps fans then elaborate they are transplants from other hockey markets like New England and Canada who enjoy the hockey experience more than the Caps (No, I do not think all of them are). That's fine with me, but that isn't the same as a lifelong fan or native market experience, imho. The DC area is a transplant and NFL football market and I accepted it way back in the 80s. I cannot speculate how many are here, however I do know a lot of posters here go way back to older forums dating back almost 30 years ago. While 2018 eliminated our playoff anguish, we're going to be loyal to the team good or bad. I have alternate teams I follow, however I never root against the Caps when they play them, especially rival teams. My generation and older ones than me have witnessed this franchise evolve from obscurity to respect. Some of the older fans will say "Save the Caps was the low point", however the Jagr trade was for me. The lowest point for me evolved into Ovy getting drafted! More fans means more support and revenue for the team, so I never had a problem with transplants or new fans because we all were new fans at some point. I'm glad they are able to play the sport locally and attend NHL games regularly. I never had that opportunity until later in life. As a fan looking at the management, I just think of other teams in this league. I mean we could be Vancouver with no cups, missing the playoffs regularly, and inept management. I say this with no disrespect to Canuck fans because nothing is their fault.
 

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Once the team wins a championship, why jump ship? Makes no sense. That’s what it’s all about, especially if you’re a long suffering fan. I think we have at minimum a top 10 GM and we will field the best roster possible. Ted has his shortcomings as an owner but I’m also fond of him overall.

I’m not a Commanders fan, but my best friend is, and I know most of of the members of this board are fans. If you fine people can suffer through Dan Snyder and the Nats poverty mentality, and the Wizards being a bottom 5 franchise for 30 years , you can get through anything.

As an aside the Wiz are my favorite team, and I root for the Nats to be successful because of this board so I’m with you in spirit and misery.

If anything it should fuel the fire for more championships!
 

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I've never even been outside of Europe and started following the Caps at i think like the end of 2017 (good timing) so i willingly admit im a bandwagon fan since i have proper local teams to follow here on the homefront.

Im definitely fandoming the rest of Ovis career and probably staying after that too to see CMM and Leonard being the new Gretzky and Messier but im already following the Sabres a bit and they'll likely have more playoff success than the Caps over the next ten years.

So i guess bandwagoning is a little different for those of us living on other continents. As long as one hates the Pens they're good in my book.
 

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I've never even been outside of Europe and started following the Caps at i think like the end of 2017 (good timing) so i willingly admit im a bandwagon fan since i have proper local teams to follow here on the homefront.

Im definitely fandoming the rest of Ovis career and probably staying after that too to see CMM and Leonard being the new Gretzky and Messier but im already following the Sabres a bit and they'll likely have more playoff success than the Caps over the next ten years.

So i guess bandwagoning is a little different for those of us living on other continents. As long as one hates the Pens they're good in my book.
Don’t means to paint with such a broad brush, I am sorry. It’s just hard to take seriously posters that are openly longing for another team. Well, taken seriously about discussing the Caps.

“To each their own” and “live and let live” and all that, etc etc etc.

So I mean no ill will, it’s just my stance on it.
 
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I've never even been outside of Europe and started following the Caps at i think like the end of 2017 (good timing) so i willingly admit im a bandwagon fan since i have proper local teams to follow here on the homefront.

Im definitely fandoming the rest of Ovis career and probably staying after that too to see CMM and Leonard being the new Gretzky and Messier but im already following the Sabres a bit and they'll likely have more playoff success than the Caps over the next ten years.

So i guess bandwagoning is a little different for those of us living on other continents. As long as one hates the Pens they're good in my book.
I mean new fans are one thing….always welcome, but do you now see yourself jumping off ship in the coming down years?

You don’t live in the team area geographically, so you don’t have that tie, and you didn’t suffer all that much only starting in 2017….maybe as just a fan of the game more than anything it will be easier for you and those like you to peel away….who did you root for before 2017?
 

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Don’t means to paint with such a broad brush, I am sorry. It’s just hard to take seriously posters that are openly longing for another team. Well, taken seriously about discussing the Caps.

“To each their own” and “live and let live” and all that, etc etc etc.

So I mean no ill will, it’s just my stance on it.

Oh no ill will taken, to each their own and so forth. Just felt like partaking in the discussion, not replying to you specifically, we're good:)
 
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I mean new fans are one thing….always welcome, but do you now see yourself jumping off ship in the coming down years?

You don’t live in the team area geographically, so you don’t have that tie, and you didn’t suffer all that much only starting in 2017….maybe as just a fan of the game more than anything it will be easier for you and those like you to peel away….who did you root for before 2017?

Im not planning to jump ship, what is more probable is that i just stop watching NHL games after Ovi due to bizarre prices (or me being cheap) here. But my plan is to keep watching. And spot on about the suffering, i had good timing:) I am now quite invested and read up on the Caps though so i'll always keep an eye in their direction, that's for sure. Even if not watching I can always get the relevant parts from @twabby s spreadsheet reports right?

And it is probably easier to peel away as a fan of the game, that's true. Ovi got me into the Caps and i wouldn't say i really had a team before that. I actually got back into the NHL through working a night shift and nerding out in the HoH section of this forum. But as a kid i was "a fan" of the Sabres, back in the Lafontaine/Mogilny days.
 

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Geez one bad season and jumping ship. I hope the poster changes the user name. And to switch to the canes… gross 🤢
Im already seeing posts about what we can possibly get for our players next tdl. So thats two bad seasons i suppose. Is it ok to jump ship then or try harder to get excited wondering if Pacioretti can get us a 2nd next tdl? See yall in oct!
 
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Im not planning to jump ship, what is more probable is that i just stop watching NHL games after Ovi due to bizarre prices (or me being cheap) here. But my plan is to keep watching. And spot on about the suffering, i had good timing:) I am now quite invested and read up on the Caps though so i'll always keep an eye in their direction, that's for sure. Even if not watching I can always get the relevant parts from @twabby s spreadsheet reports right?

And it is probably easier to peel away as a fan of the game, that's true. Ovi got me into the Caps and i wouldn't say i really had a team before that. I actually got back into the NHL through working a night shift and nerding out in the HoH section of this forum. But as a kid i was "a fan" of the Sabres, back in the Lafontaine/Mogilny days.
I think the long term suffering gives one a little more skin in the game is all. Not trying to be negative toward you at all. Appreciate your perspective as a non-NA-based Caps fan.

loved Lafontaine.….until that one fateful Sunday….
 

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I think the long term suffering gives one a little more skin in the game is all. Not trying to be negative toward you at all. Appreciate your perspective as a non-NA-based Caps fan.

loved Lafontaine.….until that one fateful Sunday….

No negativity perceived, we're cool. I do get it though. I guess what i experienced this season is what longtime fans see as the norm and that's why the Ovi era is so meaningful? I agree about the skin in the game thing. For me it's like i get irritated when i see the team play like shit but then i turn off the stream and im fine. Whereas if one lives in the area or is more "connected" to the team it has a bigger impact?
 
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No negativity perceived, we're cool. I do get it though. I guess what i experienced this season is what longtime fans see as the norm and that's why the Ovi era is so meaningful? I agree about the skin in the game thing. For me it's like i get irritated when i see the team play like shit but then i turn off the stream and im fine. Whereas if one lives in the area or is more "connected" to the team it has a bigger impact?
the years between the jagr debacle and Ovi were definitely tough to watch. Ive watched the caps since I was little and the Ovi era at least imo was the caps finally getting to be part of the club having the best player in the league for the first time ever. Loved Bondra and some others through out the years but they were never the hands down best player in the league. The problem with getting that player is expectations go through the roof. A buddy of mine use to say he can remember before Ovi and just watching the games and being happy to be watching. Once Ovi got here, you expect to win almost every night.
This downspin they may be entering is just part of being good for 15 years. Players get old eventually and all of the draft picks in the last 5-7 years are typically late 1st round or lower so its not like anyone should surprise coming from the minors. Excited to see Leonard
 

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not naming names (im sure could figure out if you wanted) but saw on the main board a caps fan talking about following a different team since the caps are in a tailspin/limbo for the next few years. Been watching since the 80s so this doesnt make sense to me. All the ups and downs pretty much until the Ovi era and then the ups and downs with figuring out how to build a championship level team and now people jump ship. guess being a fan has changed a lot. 2018 was special because of all the years of watching. Not sure what people want management to do. Ovi has a few more years left. were they suppose to let him walk and start over a few years ago?
Perhaps a young fan not "locked in" emotionally with the team could easily switch allegiances, but I became a fan in their first season as a ten year old. I suffered through all those bad seasons and all those heartbreaks when they got good, but not good enough. Like many here also did, and like someone else noted, it would be impossible for me to get emotionally invested in some other team. 2018 was a thrill, and a blessing for me. Almost overwhelming happiness, and relief.

I don't have a problem with what the CAPS are doing here. Straddling the fence between keeping the team as competitive as possible and starting a near complete rebuild of the roster. We know that won't happen until after Ovechkin breaks the goal scoring record, and he, Backstrom, and Oshie retire. And that's assuming Backstrom can return and play.

What the roster will look like this upcoming season is beginning to come into focus when GMBM recently said that he expects CMM, Protas, and Malenstyn to be on the roster. Where they eventually fit will be determined in camp, and maybe one or more gets beat out by one of the other prospects. And whatever happens with the expected trade or trades that GMBM makes before now and then.

And I'm pretty excited for the upcoming season. I think injuries derailed them more than having an older or bad roster.
 

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Looks like some teams might soon be in need of additional players...

Suspensions don't offer cap relief, right?

So the teams with cap space might still be the most likely trade partners, in general.

And if Gmbm is looking for a "hockey trade" then it's probably player for player anyway so might not affect much. Swapping top 6 guys won't fill the gap.

My guess is they fill gaps from within first.
 

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Suspensions don't offer cap relief, right?

So the teams with cap space might still be the most likely trade partners, in general.

And if Gmbm is looking for a "hockey trade" then it's probably player for player anyway so might not affect much. Swapping top 6 guys won't fill the gap.

My guess is they fill gaps from within first.
They don't.

Looking at the list of players potentially involved... it's Batherson and whole bunch of 'meh' guys. If there are punishments handed out to some players... will the teams even want them back afterwards? I don't think many teams will love the backlash they'd be getting from the fans and media. I wouldn't be surprised if several of those players were cut straight away.

Comtois being let go for nothing was interesting... given the timing of it.
 

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The Athletic just published a (paywalled) piece ranking the "Classes" of General Managers in the salary cap era. (As in, "Here's the Class of 2014, when Brian MacLennan, Joe Sakic, Ron Frances, etc. became general managers.) It's a weird way to rank GMs, but whatever. BMac's class was #1 out of 18. Mostly due to success, but also due to entertainment value, seeing as how some of GMs (Hextall, Benning) ran total clown shows. (This is a worthless filler article/ranking, but whatever, it's the offseason.)

1. Class of 2014​

GMs: Tim Murray (BUF), Joe Sakic (COL), Jim Benning (VAN), Jim Rutherford (PIT), Brian MacLellan (WSH), Ron Hextall (PHI), Ron Francis (CAR), Brad Treliving (CGY)

What sets this class apart was that seven of eight went on to hold their job for a while, with only Murray being short-lived. Everyone else was still going strong by 2018, when I wrote a piece evaluating them. Not all of that has aged well, which is probably a lesson on counting chickens too early. Years later, we know this group combined for four Cups (and counting, I guess, since MacLellan is still on the job). The other theme here was retired players returning to their former teams; Francis and Hextall were both fine but not fantastic, while Sakic went from being viewed as one of the league’s weakest GMs to maybe its very best by the time he stepped aside. Also, Murray bumps the entertainment score just based on his soundbites.

Impact: 7/10

Success: 10/10

Entertainment: 7/10, because how can you not love a GM who says stuff like this?

Total: 24/30
 
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The Athletic just published a (paywalled) piece ranking the "Classes" of General Managers in the salary cap era. (As in, "Here's the Class of 2014, when Brian MacLennan, Joe Sakic, Ron Frances, etc. became general managers.) It's a weird way to rank GMs, but whatever. BMac's class was #1 out of 18. Mostly due to success, but also due to entertainment value, seeing as how some of GMs (Hextall, Benning) ran total clown shows. (This is a worthless filler article/ranking, but whatever, it's the offseason.)

1. Class of 2014​

GMs: Tim Murray (BUF), Joe Sakic (COL), Jim Benning (VAN), Jim Rutherford (PIT), Brian MacLellan (WSH), Ron Hextall (PHI), Ron Francis (CAR), Brad Treliving (CGY)

What sets this class apart was that seven of eight went on to hold their job for a while, with only Murray being short-lived. Everyone else was still going strong by 2018, when I wrote a piece evaluating them. Not all of that has aged well, which is probably a lesson on counting chickens too early. Years later, we know this group combined for four Cups (and counting, I guess, since MacLellan is still on the job). The other theme here was retired players returning to their former teams; Francis and Hextall were both fine but not fantastic, while Sakic went from being viewed as one of the league’s weakest GMs to maybe its very best by the time he stepped aside. Also, Murray bumps the entertainment score just based on his soundbites.

Impact: 7/10

Success: 10/10

Entertainment: 7/10, because how can you not love a GM who says stuff like this?

Total: 24/30
#1 will always be easy to figure out which ever GM's team wins the cup.
 
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