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Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

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Just further highlights their secondary scoring has been a hodgepodge of players…needed to draft another Oshie or Semin…..Kuzy clearly isn’t that guy.
 
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I still don’t know what Washington could offer to make it work if the obvious solution is off the table. Kuznetsov to Toronto could theoretically work given their strong defensive structure and their need for more scoring pop but Washington would probably need to add a lot more to make a competitive offer. Toronto likely isn’t interested in a futures package so I’m not sure how they could possibly swing it.
 
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twabby said:


I still don’t know what Washington could offer to make it work if the obvious solution is off the table. Kuznetsov to Toronto could theoretically work given their strong defensive structure and their need for more scoring pop but Washington would probably need to add a lot more to make a competitive offer. Toronto likely isn’t interested in a futures package so I’m not sure how they could possibly swing it.
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Well there is one guy on the Caps who could tempt them. But we’ve done that.
 
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Well there is one guy on the Caps who could tempt them. But we’ve done that.
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I also think Wilson would have to be in the offer. But what if Nylander plays hard ball with his contract. The leafs are in win now mode and could want Kuz as a cheaper replacement. Kuz has been pretty good in the playoffs and the leafs may want that and would easily fill the Nylander hole.

What + Kuz would even get the leafs to pick up the phone? Our 1st rounders are off the table but I would be open to alot. I dont think the leafs would want our futures so it could be a good trade match.

I would make an offer of
Kuz and Dowd for Nylander
and might be willing to add more
 
Ovechkins Wodka said:
I also think Wilson would have to be in the offer. But what if Nylander plays hard ball with his contract. The leafs are in win now mode and could want Kuz as a cheaper replacement. Kuz has been pretty good in the playoffs and the leafs may want that and would easily fill the Nylander hole.

What + Kuz would even get the leafs to pick up the phone? Our 1st rounders are off the table but I would be open to alot. I dont think the leafs would want our futures so it could be a good trade match.

I would make an offer of
Kuz and Dowd for Nylander
and might be willing to add more
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I'd do Kuz and Wilson for Nylander and Reaves. If that cap doesn't work then switch Reaves for Järnkrok. He's not as overpaid as Kuzy and pretty decent two way guy.
 
Ovechkins Wodka said:
Would they do Oshie and Kuz?
I want to keep Wilson
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Would you? :laugh:

I don't think a deal like this is realistic because all these things would need to happen:

1. Kuznetsov to have value for the Leafs (perhaps he does if you retain 50% and help them cap wise?)
2. Backstrom would need to retire for this to work cap wise
2B. Does Nylander want to sign here long-term if Backstrom retires?

Still after that you'd need to figure the value out because as is, it's brutal for the Leafs. Who would have great value for the Leafs? I'd say Dowd so add him. Perhaps one of the ELC contracts, add McMichael. Does that start moving the needle? Ehh... still that's a massive steal for the Capitals value-wise. But it would mean that MacLellan would be eating his words about the rebuild. Because losing 3 of your top-4 centers and your top C prospect means that your team is a trainwreck.

Percentage-wise... i'd put the odds of that happening to below 1 %. Backstrom seems to be happy to keep playing so that alone kills the deal because Kuznetsov sunk his trade value. Leafs are already thinking about the 2024 Playoffs so hard to believe they would be paying the premium for a guy who had great Playoffs 6 years before. Hell if they wanted that they would have just kept ROR for half the cap Kuznetsov takes.
 
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im sure this has been said but after the caps and Nylander seniors messy divorce one would guess his father will steer him clear of the Caps.
 
Ovechkins Wodka said:
He retired after his last season with the Caps. Cant blame the caps for father time.
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That’s not what happened though. They were healthy scratching him so often they ended up loaning him to another AHL team just to avoid sending him to Hershey.

He got injured in the rougher AHL and effectively ended his North American career while the Caps were trying to bury him and McPhee was playing major hardball, they moved on and wanted his cap space, basically tried to frustrate him away.
 
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It's important to remember the salary cap rules were different back then. They had the option to make Michael Nylander's contract "disappear" (in terms of cap hit) by burying him in the AHL or sending him to Europe, so they did. This was the same time period in which Wade Redden was being paid $6.5M to play in the AHL. Heck, Hershey even benefitted from one of these deals, when Edmonton buried Sheldon Souray and lent him to Hershey in 2011.
 
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How about we just be patient and see how Kuzy and Mantha respond under Carberry.

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Hivemind said:
It's important to remember the salary cap rules were different back then. They had the option to make Michael Nylander's contract "disappear" (in terms of cap hit) by burying him in the AHL or sending him to Europe, so they did. This was the same time period in which Wade Redden was being paid $6.5M to play in the AHL. Heck, Hershey even benefitted from one of these deals, when Edmonton buried Sheldon Souray and lent him to Hershey in 2011.
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I had almost forgotten that while I was typing up my post, I kept going "wait, but that doesn't help them..." and fact checking myself.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they basically send him to the AHL, and he didn't report? Then just kind of sat there trying to budge McPhee (which... good luck), until eventually he had to play somewhere to shake the rust off and got loaned, then hurt?
 
Just spitballing on kuz to Toronto for a WN deal. If you could get a 3rd team to eat a bunch of kuz’s cap, pay that Team with futures, Toronto would probably do the trade not asking for much more. Their cap situation for this upcoming year isn’t good already. They’ll be a little more desperate than some might think.
 
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Circles had the dreaded NMC in his contract, caps couldn’t do squat until he allowed them to.
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If it were an NMC he couldn't be waived or demoted either, I think it had to just be an NTC. I also thought there was some additional constraint but I couldn't find note of it online.
 
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If it were an NMC he couldn't be waived or demoted either, I think it had to just be an NTC. I also thought there was some additional constraint but I couldn't find note of it online.
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It was, he sat in purgatory for a while before agreeing to be sent down. He couldn’t stop a demotion if it were just a NTC.
 
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