Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[HeyMattyB]

There's one in particular who makes me facepalm every time I read something he's posted.

I'd block him, but then most of the Caps-related threads over there would be (even more) unreadable.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

There's one in particular who makes me facepalm every time I read something he's posted.

I'd block him, but then most of the Caps-related threads over there would be (even more) unreadable.

Yeah I know who you’re talking about (I think) and it’s odd how involved he is in Caps trade discussions but never has posted here. Not quite sure I understand the appeal or purpose of that. And his posting style is so combative it always derails every thread.

 

[Pigskin]

Ok, I was thinking giving him the 8 years was key. Maybe $5m per is unders.

 

[Random schmoe]

I gave up on that individual over a year ago give or take and just put them on ignore.

Those threads are particularly horrible today.

Edit: I feel better now. Just put 3 threads on Ignore.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Yeah I know who you’re talking about (I think) and it’s odd how involved he is in Caps trade discussions but never has posted here. Not quite sure I understand the appeal or purpose of that. And his posting style is so combative it always derails every thread.

Does he rhyme with Sleevin Jeet?

Ok, I was thinking giving him the 8 years was key. Maybe $5m per is unders.

That’s not terrible…only we can give him 8 right? So 40 mil vs a shorter deal at $7 per to uproot your family?

I‘d take the longterm security and view my lower AAV as my donation to be Captain after Ovechkin retires lol…frontload as much as you can, give him his big chunk early and make it buyout friendly at the end….

 

[HTFN]

I've got to be honest, we're all aware of exactly who it is and only Jokers don't have a clue.

That said, I love it. Not in a fully legitimate way, I'll admit, but it's like rooting for a gladiator who fights dirty. I'm not going to waste my life persecuting trade boards posters on their honor or reason so I kind of like how most Capitals threads have one guy flying in with the guns fully blazing to correct the way franchises with smaller fanbases get undervalued.

It's like having our own personal Trade Boards Brad Marchand

 

[max21]

Hahah that dude goes hard af in the trade forum

 

[alphabetical]

It doesn't help that there's a couple Caps fans who pretty much exclusively post on the Trade Forum and spend their whole time overvaluing Caps players and saying that every single trade concept is bad for the Caps.

I agree. It's clear that Stephen Peat has CTE.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Yeah I know who you’re talking about (I think) and it’s odd how involved he is in Caps trade discussions but never has posted here. Not quite sure I understand the appeal or purpose of that. And his posting style is so combative it always derails every thread.

Yep. His name is of a not so famous pugilist that played for our team.

There are a few others that are well thought out posters. In particular one who used to post in this forum, but doesn’t any longer

 

[Jags]

That’s not terrible…only we can give him 8 right? So 40 mil vs a shorter deal at $7 per to uproot your family?

If it's LA? His wife was a beach volleyballer and they've got a team that might contend during his next contract. It's just the wife and puppy, no? A few other contenders could definitely use his services, too. There's no way he takes a pay cut to stay here and he'd get the term he wants either way.

Leaving that much money on the table isn't likely. As much as he seems to love it here and must want to be part of Ovi getting 895, there's no way that a chance at another Cup or two doesn't make him drool a little. There's no question he's loyal, but I doubt he'd put another guy's legacy ahead of his own. Ovi knows he loves him, and the chances of another Cup as a Cap are pretty remote.

Don't get me wrong -- If he's up for 5M x 8 and sees DC as his ride or die, I'm all for it. But I'd be perfectly happy to see him land with a contender (that I don't hate) so long as we get his worth in a trade. He deserves the career he wants either way.

 

[trick9]

Like most here, would like to see Mantha and Kuznetsov gone. But when to move them is the question. I'm inclined to take a wait and see approach on this and see how they perform under Spencer Carberry.

Both of these players have a prove it season approaching. They can't blame the coach, the onus will be on them. Not that either player needs motivation, but Mantha is in his contract year so it's time for him to put up.

I think the talk of BMAC "dangling" both of these players on the trade market is yes to see what their current value is but also to go back to the players and their agents and say hey we made you available but this is how you are presently valued within the league. Perhaps another motivational ploy by BMAC.

Again take a wait and see approach and perhaps their value will increase come the TDL.

It's risky, with both of them. Obviously the reward would be huge if they both came back to their old levels, but if they stay as-is then that's not a trade you can make mid-season so you are stuck with 1 unhappy enigmatic top-line center and a lazy overpaid floater for the whole season. Not exactly ideal.

GMBM needs to make his mind and decide which of the options to take. I think the first part this summer is easy, you wait and see if someone is willing to give you (even) decent value back.

If (and when) there likely isn't a solid offer on the table, there is a tough choice to make. Do you bite the bullet and take the L and accept bad value (or pay someone) to get rid of the problems? Or do you keep them and hope they bounce back? It's impossible to know whether they will. Their issues are well known, for both. Mantha is easy to motivate. It's his career earnings on the line. With Kuznetsov if he is to stay then perhaps it's to try and motivate him by telling him to work his ass off until february and promise him that if he does that and they are still out of it, he'll get traded, period. Atleast in that scenario there is great value for both parties as Kuznetsov gets to play the Playoff games, the hockey he actually he enjoys. Whether it's here or somewhere else. And with the Capitals there is more value to be had in that scenario. If Kuznetsov plays well and we still suck then it's painfully obvious that it's time to continue the re-tool. I think in this scenario i'd push heavily to see what the market is for Kuznetsov with full salary retention, even if that would cover up the season after, too. That would be great value for Playoff contenders.

I don't envy the task in hand for GMBM. Hopefully there is a GM out there that is willing to bank on Kuznetsov coming back to form next season and trades for him in the summer.

 

[DRW204]

Dubois is 2/2 in forcing his way out of the team. He has his mind set where he wants to play and i think thats fine.

But for that he is pure one year rental so i dont see why we should break the bank for him. And i have hard time to see Winnipeg not being on Kuzys NTC-list too. My guess would be that Kuz has all Canadians blocked, Arizona and then couple random locations.

If we entertain the idea of trading Kuzy and acquiring short time rental id be fine with ROR. Though i think he is gonna be a Canes or Avs.

Jets fan here.

if PLD was willing to sign w/ WSH long-term, i think he'd be a great fit to help bridge the gap from Backstrom or Kuznetsov (both 3 and 2 years remaining, & w/ Backstrom's health possibly less) to a new group. seems like WSH really likes their physical and skilled top-6ers so PLD (referencing Ovie and Wilson primarily here) would fit nicely in that mold.

i don't envision PLD as a 1C on a cup contending team though, but he for sure can be categorized as a high-end 2C for one in my view.

would be interested more in futures (picks/prospects) and can take cap back (mantha? he doesn't have trade protection) to make it work.

i have no idea on the viability of you or your GMs group trading your 1st... but can there be a deal around PLD+18th overall for 8th overall+Mantha (as a cap dump)+?

 

[um]

Jets fan here.

if PLD was willing to sign w/ WSH long-term, i think he'd be a great fit to help bridge the gap from Backstrom or Kuznetsov (both 3 and 2 years remaining, & w/ Backstrom's health possibly less) to a new group. seems like WSH really likes their physical and skilled top-6ers so PLD (referencing Ovie and Wilson primarily here) would fit nicely in that mold.

i don't envision PLD as a 1C on a cup contending team though, but he for sure can be categorized as a high-end 2C for one in my view.

would be interested more in futures (picks/prospects) and can take cap back (mantha? he doesn't have trade protection) to make it work.

i have no idea on the viability of you or your GMs group trading your 1st... but can there be a deal around PLD+18th overall for 8th overall+Mantha (as a cap dump)+?

Its not the worst offer value wise. Personally I'm just not interested in giving up the #8 pick unless its a star player coming back.

 

[Jags]

Its not the worst offer value wise. Personally I'm just not interested in giving up the #8 pick unless its a star player coming back.

Yeah, I like PLD a lot, but a high pick in a deep draft is something this club hasn't had in too long. We need to restock the coffers more than just about anything else. We need to use this pick.

IF a series of big things break our way in terms of cap relief, hockey trades, and a couple prospects panning out big, MAYBE we get back to a serious puncher's chance and "win now" moves. And I mean a "Foreman vs Moorer" chance, not a "George McFly vs Biff" chance, y'know?

If that happens and the guy we pick at 8OA isn't ready yet, maybe we trade him. But we're too far into overhaul mode to trade the pick itself.

 

[kicksavedave]

i have no idea on the viability of you or your GMs group trading your 1st... but can there be a deal around PLD+18th overall for 8th overall+Mantha (as a cap dump)+?

This feels like the kind of trade we would make conditionally on draft day if, say, Michkov doesn't slip to us at 8. Can't pass on that value for PLD, but if he is gone and we're looking at Dvorsky or someone else, it becomes a little more appealing (to me anyway).

 

[DRW204]

This feels like the kind of trade we would make conditionally on draft day if, say, Michkov doesn't slip to us at 8. Can't pass on that value for PLD, but if he is gone and we're looking at Dvorsky or someone else, it becomes a little more appealing (to me anyway).

Yeah fully aware it depends on the board. And I think your team would easily take the chance on michkov.

What would be the comfortable adds from your POV? Noting we'd be taking on Mantha back too.

Jets need RHD and/or Centre prospects.

Yeah, I like PLD a lot, but a high pick in a deep draft is something this club hasn't had in too long. We need to restock the coffers more than just about anything else. We need to use this pick.

IF a series of big things break our way in terms of cap relief, hockey trades, and a couple prospects panning out big, MAYBE we get back to a serious puncher's chance and "win now" moves. And I mean a "Foreman vs Moorer" chance, not a "George McFly vs Biff" chance, y'know?

If that happens and the guy we pick at 8OA isn't ready yet, maybe we trade him. But we're too far into overhaul mode to trade the pick itself.

yeah that's understandable. i know you guys had a poor 2nd half, but were trending roughly as a top-10 team through the first half of the year.

i don't view you as a terrible or rebuild team in the same pool as PHI, ARZ, SJS etc. with the vets still in the fold, like mentioned, i think PLD still would serve as a great bridge between the current group and the new one. & it would be a ~mid 1st-rd pick back. i know it's not the value of top-10, but still has some chance at restocking the pipeline.

 

[Kevinsane]

I’m not going to lie and say it’s for some more random reason. Im that annoying guy with a self serving fantasy question. I took Connor McMichael on my team’s reserve bench after he was drafted, and I still can’t get a read on whether he’s in the Capitals plans moving forward.
Will he be given a legitimate shot at a top six role?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I’m not going to lie and say it’s for some more random reason. Im that annoying guy with a self serving fantasy question. I took Connor McMichael on my team’s reserve bench after he was drafted, and I still can’t get a read on whether he’s in the Capitals plans moving forward.
Will he be given a legitimate shot at a top six role?

I’d say middle 6 more Likely, but what do I know?

 

[Kevinsane]

I’d say middle 6 more Likely, but what do I know?

Thanks! He was regarded as a pretty much can’t miss prospect with offensive upside coming out of Junior, but even his AHL numbers look ordinary at best.

 

[JohnCarlsaurus]

Thanks! He was regarded as a pretty much can’t miss prospect with offensive upside coming out of Junior, but even his AHL numbers look ordinary at best.

Yeah he hasn't quite lived up to the hype (so far). He's definitely improved significantly in the AHL this season though so it's possible he'll be better when he gets promoted to the NHL, which should happen next season

 

[HTFN]

Thanks! He was regarded as a pretty much can’t miss prospect with offensive upside coming out of Junior, but even his AHL numbers look ordinary at best.

I think he's a cerebral player, and needs adjustment at most levels. At some point there's going to be a place where his physical tools just can't catch up anymore but it's not going to be immediately evident where that is without reps. I think at every stage the common truth is that he gets better over time, and we haven't yet found the point at the NHL where that is proven false. We also haven't found the limit, because Laviolette did not have the patience for it, and don't know what it might look like or what roles might be carved out as he adapts.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

It doesn't help that there's a couple Caps fans who pretty much exclusively post on the Trade Forum and spend their whole time overvaluing Caps players and saying that every single trade concept is bad for the Caps.

We talking about Peat? I oddly never see him in here.

 

[Kevinsane]

I think he's a cerebral player, and needs adjustment at most levels. At some point there's going to be a place where his physical tools just can't catch up anymore but it's not going to be immediately evident where that is without reps. I think at every stage the common truth is that he gets better over time, and we haven't yet found the point at the NHL where that is proven false. We also haven't found the limit, because Laviolette did not have the patience for it, and don't know what it might look like or what roles might be carved out as he adapts.

Well said. I’m not a Laviolette fan, and find it laughable that of all the potential HC candidates out there the Rangers pick a guy who can’t develop their youth.

 

[trick9]

Jets fan here.

if PLD was willing to sign w/ WSH long-term, i think he'd be a great fit to help bridge the gap from Backstrom or Kuznetsov (both 3 and 2 years remaining, & w/ Backstrom's health possibly less) to a new group. seems like WSH really likes their physical and skilled top-6ers so PLD (referencing Ovie and Wilson primarily here) would fit nicely in that mold.

i don't envision PLD as a 1C on a cup contending team though, but he for sure can be categorized as a high-end 2C for one in my view.

would be interested more in futures (picks/prospects) and can take cap back (mantha? he doesn't have trade protection) to make it work.

i have no idea on the viability of you or your GMs group trading your 1st... but can there be a deal around PLD+18th overall for 8th overall+Mantha (as a cap dump)+?

It's a great start. That's saying much coming from me who hates the idea of trading #8.

Unless Michkov is there at #8, i'd be willing to discuss that.

That being said, i don't think Washington is high on PLD's list. Just my hunch.

 

[CapsSkins]

I'm more interested in trying to land DeBrincat, who it seems is going to be moved at the draft.

He's someone you'd consider moving 8OA for, especially if you can finagle a way to dump Mantha in the same transaction.