Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[Brian23]

For what it’s worth I think Fehervary showed a modest overall improvement this year and exited the “below replacement level” zone, but not by much. I think expecting him to become a top 4 D given his results to date is extremely risky. Evolving Hockey projects him to get 2 x $2.2 million or 3 x $2.8 million. I think there are several UFAs that could be had for cheaper and have a better impact than what Fehervary brings.

I know the edict is “young and fast” but Fehervary is still a guy I highly consider moving this offseason if he carries value around the league. With a weak free agent market, a flat cap world, and Provorov getting what he did I suspect there would be a team that would really value Fehervary and I hope Mac is open to moving him.

I'm fine moving him for either another young player or in a package for another young player, but I'm not really down to trade him for dumpster diving.

I do feel Fehervary is living off his Pre-COVID play, but he's just not been that guy since coming back from that ailment. I think if we were to ignore that period, I'm not sure we'd have anyone really clamouring for him.

 

[Brian23]

Yeah, no chance I’m down with going through months of tanking to get some scrub off the flyers

And I wouldn't trade 8, 40, AND Mantha for a guy that's gonna be marginally better then peak Mantha.

Man never plays a full season and his high in points is 61. That package should get you something well beyond that.

 

[Ridley Simon]

We fans love to overvalue our assets.

I’m afraid Mantha may be a negative asset now. It’ll cost to get rid of him.

Konecny just turned 26. He’s just hitting the peak of his powers. He’s also a leader in their room.

He’s miles better than Mantha. Unfortunately.

 

[um]

We fans love to overvalue our assets.

I’m afraid Mantha may be a negative asset now. It’ll cost to get rid of him.

Konecny just turned 26. He’s just hitting the peak of his powers. He’s also a leader in their room.

He’s miles better than Mantha. Unfortunately.

It’s the #8 overall in a strong draft that should be almost untouchable.

Mantha is gone in one year, or we can buy him out, or we can get a team to take him without getting something back.

 

[EHCler]

We fans love to overvalue our assets.

I’m afraid Mantha may be a negative asset now. It’ll cost to get rid of him.

Konecny just turned 26. He’s just hitting the peak of his powers. He’s also a leader in their room.

He’s miles better than Mantha. Unfortunately.

Well we have a new coach if we can not move Mantha now give him a chance. Even if it does not work he will have value at the deadline.
We have a lot of players with bad contract values and are difficult to move. Backs, Mantha, Kuzy to name a few. For the time being we are stuck with them propapbly need to hope that they will improve with the new coaching setup. I just do not see how we can rebuild the team this summer, just retooling possible. Thats why im against moving the 8th pick, too much wrong with the team second half of the season.
Time being I am against buyouts for the time being

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Well we have a new coach if we can not move Mantha now give him a chance. Even if it does not work he will have value at the deadline.
We have a lot of players with bad contract values and are difficult to move. Backs, Mantha, Kuzy to name a few. For the time being we are stuck with them propapbly need to hope that they will improve with the new coaching setup. I just do not see how we can rebuild the team this summer, just retooling possible. Thats why im against moving the 8th pick, too much wrong with the team second half of the season.
Time being I am against buyouts for the time being

I’m not sure you can re-tool either in that case. They need to move salary to do that and I don’t see that happening because of the laundry list of bad contracts BMac has.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

We fans love to overvalue our assets.

I’m afraid Mantha may be a negative asset now. It’ll cost to get rid of him.

Konecny just turned 26. He’s just hitting the peak of his powers. He’s also a leader in their room.

He’s miles better than Mantha. Unfortunately.

Konecny is worth no where near the 8th, even if you think that Mantha is a cap dump. DeBrincat got 7OA and he was coming off of two straight 40-goal seasons as a 23 year old. I like Konecny but no chance I’m including 8OA in package where he’s the primary piece coming back. Konecny doesn’t change the present or the future of this team enough to merit passing up the player they could get at 8.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Konecny is worth no where near the 8th, even if you think that Mantha is a cap dump. DeBrincat got 7OA and he was coming off of two straight 40-goal seasons as a 23 year old. I like Konecny but no chance I’m including 8OA in package where he’s the primary piece coming back. Konecny doesn’t change the present or the future of this team enough to merit passing up the player they could get at 8.

Konecny and the 22nd. It wasn’t straight up.

 

[Langway]

The value is not bad but an extended Wilson, Konecny and Oshie won't fit beyond next season. Konecny could be a pretty smooth Oshie replacement but they probably need to aim a bit higher given roster limitations elsewhere. Trying to finesse a best-of-both-worlds deal that both gives them something for now and later is a tough maneuver. They could get a talent at 22 but, as said, likely more along the lines of a McMichael type than a more scarce piece. They could swing for the fences with Cristall if he slides. Or go Swede if Stenberg or Edstrom remain available. But in that range it's much harder to be convinced they're adding a lineup staple.

It's going to be a challenge resisting making moves that may insure they're more squarely a playoff team next season but may ultimately limit their upside as Cup contenders. Not to say there's an easy answer or realistically that serious contention may even be in the cards regardless. But they do need to maintain a measure of flexibility so that they're well positioned to add impact talent at impact positions when it becomes available. All they can control mostly are internal developmental accomplishments and that making them well positioned to acquire scarce talents when opportunities present themselves. Konecny falls short in that sense. Not bad. Could be fine value and a decent culture/room add. But I'd be way too vexed by the C/D positions to not be almost solely focused on those areas as the most crucial positions in getting back into serious contention. They can try to stack the wings if it's mostly what's available but structurally IMO its impact will not be decisive.

 

[YippieKaey]

Roslovic, Gaudreau, Laine, Werenski, Provorov, Severson. At least 6 quality players and if Johnson, Marchenko et al develop they have a playoff possible roster.

 

[Holtbyisms]

Seravalli says Trent Fredric might get to walk as a UFA if he's not qualified ...any interest? Could be fairly cheap, he's young and plays a Wilson-ish game. Almost scored 20 last year and seems to be finding the offensive side of his game. Would have been in the top 10 scoring on our team, 4th in goals. (Sad but true) Natural center who can play wing with good speed. Gives us another heavyweight to keep Wilson out of the box too. Sign me up.

 

[Brian23]

Seravalli says Trent Fredric might get to walk as a UFA if he's not qualified ...any interest? Could be fairly cheap, he's young and plays a Wilson-ish game. Almost scored 20 last year and seems to be finding the offensive side of his game. Would have been in the top 10 scoring on our team, 4th in goals. (Sad but true) Natural center who can play wing with good speed. Gives us another heavyweight to keep Wilson out of the box too. Sign me up.

It would fit their previous motif of "dumpster dives", but he'd have to be willing to come. Could probably sell him on a middle 6 role, depending on where they slot Backstrom.

Wouldn't love it entirely because we still need to give McMichael a shot some time. We're basically locked into Strome, Backstrom, and Dowd as 3 of our 4 Centers.

 

[Langway]

Seravalli says Trent Fredric might get to walk as a UFA if he's not qualified ...any interest? Could be fairly cheap, he's young and plays a Wilson-ish game. Almost scored 20 last year and seems to be finding the offensive side of his game. Would have been in the top 10 scoring on our team, 4th in goals. (Sad but true) Natural center who can play wing with good speed. Gives us another heavyweight to keep Wilson out of the box too. Sign me up.

You'd think they'd find a trade partner prior to the QO deadline. He may be due a favorable arbitration award but for some rebuilding teams in need of toughness it won't matter so much. He's probably better than Jeannot and he fetched a haul. He won't return a first but a second plus seems realistic.

On the open market for around $2-3M they could do worse as far as upside plays go. He's still just 25 but more of a third-liner at best. And likely not one that you'd want playing alongside Backstrom compared to, say, Milano. Plus, they need to see what they have in Malenstyn before he becomes the next in their list of effective castoffs. Beck won't score 15+ but he should be willing to stick up for teammates and provide a lot of those team intangibles at least and do it pretty cheap.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[Brian23]

I can't imagine they'd want to part with what it'd take. I'd want like Vilardi + Clarke to start the discussions.

 

[twabby]

Tom Wilson is simultaneously:

1. a unicorn that every team in the league would kill for

2. someone no team is going to part significant assets for


Does LA say no to a Byfield for Wilson swap if they have a Wilson extension in place? I think LA might even throw in another asset. I know Byfield hasn’t been fantastic so far but he’s 20 and has room for significant growth. It would be the type of deal I’d be looking for as Washington: a cost controlled star 1C upside center who will only get better.

 

[Langway]

Byfield, Arvidsson, Turcotte, probably another fringe prospect or two. If an extension is in place the return could (and should) be massive. Plenty of reason to be wary whether Wilson can maintain durability and productivity as he ages but he allows any team to play bigger.

BUF, ANA, DET...plenty of rebuilding teams could be well positioned to aggressively enter that market.

 

[HandsomeTom43]

I say this with no hesitation. I would extend Willy 8 years and trade him for Byfield a 1st ++ I think they would consider it and potentially be desperate enough to do it

 

[YippieKaey]

Byfield for Wilson is an easy yes for me. Wilson is likely not going to be himself in 2-3 years whilst Byfield is a huge, 20-year old skilled center with high pick pedigree

 

[um]

Tom Wilson is simultaneously:

1. a unicorn that every team in the league would kill for

2. someone no team is going to part significant assets for


Does LA say no to a Byfield for Wilson swap if they have a Wilson extension in place? I think LA might even throw in another asset. I know Byfield hasn’t been fantastic so far but he’s 20 and has room for significant growth. It would be the type of deal I’d be looking for as Washington: a cost controlled star 1C upside center who will only get better.

How do you know this?

 

[Calicaps]

How do you know this?

He's being smug because someone said LA probably wouldn't want to give up what it would take.

 

[g00n]

Other teams are interested in Tom Wilson.

Next up on Obvious News, rumors some GMs would like to have the first overall pick.

 

[Hivemind]

Combining the potential value that a Wilson trade could fetch the Capitals with the risk associated with Tom Wilson's next contract (which is likely going to run at least until he's 35, if not 36 or 37 years old) - the logical conclusion is that the Capitals should absolutely be shopping Wilson this off-season. If not this off-season, that certainly by the trade deadline. The Capitals have already received the majority of Tom Wilson's best years in the NHL. It makes sense to move him as an asset with high value, rather than over-invest in the back half of his career and have him become a depreciating asset. The Capitals really cannot afford another bloated contract because a player is a fan favorite.

The Kings do seem like one of the better potential trade partners. Plenty of guys who could potentially be good fits. Even assuming Vilardi and Fiala are off the table, there's Byfield and Turcotte as high-upside prospects that could reasonably be a centerpiece. And I'm a big fan of Arvidsson (although I would have liked it more if they added him 2 years ago instead of the Mantha trade), as he's a guy with serious wheels, good hands, who plays quick, plays much larger than his size, and loves to drive the net. And his raw boxcars are pretty much on par with Wilson's (and sometimes better).

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I’m not emotionally prepared to part with Tom Wilson. He should retire a Cap. If he won’t sign or if he’s asking for something like 8x8 then yeah I guess you ship him to the highest bidder but besides Ovechkin he is the last person on this team I’d want to see in a different jersey.

If they do trade him it better be for a haul big enough that these servers crash.

 

[Roric]

Work out a deal around nylander or marner for wilson