I don’t really know why we need to move Mantha if Backstrom is going on LTIR. Maybe there is something i am missing with this situation. What is preventing Caps from putting Backstrom on LTIR. There shouldn’t be a fight from the league. I get giving it a few days to pass. But I would assume this is now a good time to do that and make some roster changes.
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I don’t really know why we need to move Mantha if Backstrom is going on LTIR. Maybe there is something i am missing with this situation. What is preventing Caps from putting Backstrom on LTIR. There shouldn’t be a fight from the league. I get giving it a few days to pass. But I would assume this is now a good time to do that and make some roster changes.
bacchist
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It's because he's not very good and overpaid.
Yeah, i get that he is overpaid for what he brings. But he hasn’t been bad this year. His salary was an issue, but now it is not if Backstrom goes on LTIR. So I think big picture we are better off keeping him through the regular season and move him at the deadline and get assets versus pay assets which is what TFP article was intimating.
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I think regardless of what we believe, mgmt still wants to be competitive or at least give that optic. Me thinks they don’t want to piss the year away which is what standing pat with this roster basically means. I mean GMBM obviously wants to try to be competitive if you are to believe the article.
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LTIR rules are complicated and Backstrom's intentions aren't clear, so it's anyone's guess what's going on there. Our cap situation is pretty dangerous, though. I wouldn't mind clearing some of the log jam that's keeping Suzdalev off the ice.
How does getting rid of Mantha make us competitive?
We shouldn't be getting rid of him. He should be out there playing as much as humanly possible so that by the time trade deadline rolls around, we can actually recoup some assets. That trade was horrendous enough as it is. Let's not flush more resources down the toilet to deal with Mantha.
Maybe plant Ovechkin in front of the net on the power play and make Mantha the primary shooter off the right ride.
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Honestly with the lines they're rolling right now (at least the ones I remember) Mantha and McMichael seem to do pretty well together. He's plenty competent defensively and has a long reach, I think it frees McMichael up to attack through the center. Between them they're complementing each other enough and look pretty good on ice to say that Mantha has some limited value to this team right now.
Just hold on to him, trade him at the deadline if someone wants him, or let him walk when the time comes. No reason to sweeten a deal and lose it just to get a guy who isn't killing them off the team.
Just hold on to him, trade him at the deadline if someone wants him, or let him walk when the time comes. No reason to sweeten a deal and lose it just to get a guy who isn't killing them off the team.
Yea, it’s not like he’s blocking someone either. We’re so thin at wing that we’re playing Mathew Phillips every night FFS.
Mantha can be infuriating, but he’s played fairly well and isn’t the problem he was last year. Unless they are planning on making a subsequent trade for a top 6 guy, doesn’t make sense to pay to get rid of Mantha right now.
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They clearly have a price they're sticking to with Mantha. It wasn't met in the offseason and it hasn't been met so far. But they're still shopping him because he's not in their future plans. They just have the luxury of time at the moment.
If he's not moved as the deadline approaches they might lower the price but for now it's probably a matter of waiting for someone to have a need and the assets to send back...not a matter of Mantha getting another chance to turn things around month after month until the schedule runs out.
If he's not moved as the deadline approaches they might lower the price but for now it's probably a matter of waiting for someone to have a need and the assets to send back...not a matter of Mantha getting another chance to turn things around month after month until the schedule runs out.
SecretaryofDefense5
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It’s obvious BMac wants him out. I’m sure his reps want a change too. Regardless of what is the best move I think he ends up traded soon.
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Here is a move I would like to see if we put Backstrom on LTIR Monday (with Dowd and Patches still out).
Bring up Sutter and NAK. Put them with Malenstyn and we have a true gritty 4th line which we like. Send Lapierre back to Hershey. He has some things to think about and work on so give him big minutes in all situations. Also allows Rybinski, Hofer, Trieneyev to all play in Hershey.
If TVR goes to IR/LTIR then we could see Priskie come up and either Aktell or Johansen going down. Aktell doesn’t need to clear waivers so it might be him. I guess for that matter Johansen hasn’t played 10 games so he is likely free pass as well so that may be the better choice.
Bring up Sutter and NAK. Put them with Malenstyn and we have a true gritty 4th line which we like. Send Lapierre back to Hershey. He has some things to think about and work on so give him big minutes in all situations. Also allows Rybinski, Hofer, Trieneyev to all play in Hershey.
If TVR goes to IR/LTIR then we could see Priskie come up and either Aktell or Johansen going down. Aktell doesn’t need to clear waivers so it might be him. I guess for that matter Johansen hasn’t played 10 games so he is likely free pass as well so that may be the better choice.
I don't think it's obvious. I think it WAS obvious that BMac wanted to upgrade the top-6 in the offseason and the only way to do it was by clearing some significant salary cap room. Mantha was the obvious/only choice.
Situation has changed since then. This team has shown quite clearly that they are not a minor top-6 upgrade away from playoff contention. At the same time, with Backstrom vacating the premises, there is now a whole other, much easier way to clear ample cap room.
The only thing that hasn't changed is Mantha's value. If Caps could have gotten rid of him by paying someone ~3rd round pick, maybe 3rd+4th, they would have done it ages ago. For something to change, he's got to put up points. Preferably lots of points.
I think Mantha is gone before the end of this year. And i think there's a chance we might miss him lol......
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SecretaryofDefense5
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And yet the article shows he is aggressively trying to move him. This isn’t about opinion, it’s about what BMac wants.
Ive always liked Armia and suggested to trade for him several times. Its not ideal anymore as he is on heavy downswing, but id still do it if MTL retains 1,05m/season. That would even up the actual salary and give us a defensively good bottom sixer/pk specialist at the price tag of 2,35m for two seasons. A little overpaid, but saved over 3 mills cap for this season and since Backy is out and cap going up and no big deals to be made, its certainly not a problem for next season either. Especially when you can bury half of it if he keeps on sucking, but even coming to age i still think he has higher ceiling than we have even yet seen.
Lol, what article? It's just a bullsh*t rumour site.
Sources tell me, BMac is contemplating doing nothing at all. There you go. Another 'article'.
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If only we could only face powerhouse teams like Flames, Sharks, Blue Jackets minus Laine, Wild and Habs the rest of the season we'd definitely make the Playoffs.
Still hats off to them. I doubted them and expected us to be closer to the bottom. But our schedule has propably been the easiest one out of all teams. We've basically already met nearly every team close to the basement and start the season with 8 out of 11 first games at home. We actually play 12 of the first 17 games at home. After that it's going to be a long road ahead. 9 of the next 11 games away.
Christmas is going to be a pretty good spot to know where this team is at. At that point we've played 16 home games and 15 away games so pretty close to even.
Our schedule has been relatively ”easy”, but in the early season im not sure how big of an advantage it is. Lots of basement teams tend to trend and peak early, and go down as the season progresses.
And hey, atleast the Pens have had easy schedule too and they are still behind us!
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I didn't mean it as an advantage, but it kind of paints a flawed picture of where a team is at right now when they've played over 70% of the season at home and have already faced these teams:Our schedule has been relatively ”easy”, but in the early season im not sure how big of an advantage it is. Lots of basement teams tend to trend and peak early, and go down as the season progresses.
And hey, atleast the Pens have had easy schedule too and they are still behind us!
Sharks - 32nd
Flames - 30th
Sens - 28th
Pens - 27th
Wild - 25th
CBJ - 24th
Habs - 16th
Top-15 teams faced:
Leafs - 15th
Isles - 12th
Devils - 7th
Next game is at home, against Panthers (18th).
True test comes when they start to play away from home more and need to start beating teams that are actually fighting for the same spots. As i mentioned before, Devils win was a huge win, but i don't see them as team fighting with us for a Playoff spot. They likely crack 100 points before we get to 85. Blue Jackets win was against a team (atleast hoping to be) in the Playoff hunt. That was a great time to face them with struggling Gaudreau and injured Laine.
The rest against teams in the Playoff hunt isn't pretty. 6-1 loss to Sens, 4-0 loss to Pens, 3-0 loss to Isles. 4-1 loss to Leafs. That's 17-2 goal difference against teams fighting for the Playoff spots. I don't see us gaining much ground by beating top teams away from home, so to keep their Playoff hopes alive they desperately need to be a great home team and especially a team that can beat these other Playoff contenders head-to-head. Losing these head-to-head games against other contenders will sink you fast.
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IMO it's not just cap room it's assets and uncertainty.
Mantha is still probably not in their top 6 plans and they don't want to trade away picks and prospects for that new top 6 piece, regardless of cap space.
So they have to wait for a buyer for Mantha. Preference is probably a player swap but that's hard to pull off. More likely is a pick/prospect package they can add a bit to then flip for their new top 6er. They may even have a specific target that may require a specific bundle in return...that may be why they're not just trading him for gym bags full of pucks and tape.
Plus, we know Nick is loathe to call it quits. He may be keeping them in suspended animation regarding cap space, and they may not be sure whether they'll have to clear for him if he somehow comes off LTIR, assuming he lands there.
It's concerning that NB going on LTIR is still an assumption. The fact that he didn't immediately go on LTIR suggests he may think he can just drop to IR for a bit and come back. Even if he goes on LTIR, if he still has that mentality he may try to return in Jan-Feb again and then if we have another top 6 salary we probably have to start dumping cap.
tl'dr I don't think NB's cap space is something they can count on or spend right now.
SecretaryofDefense5
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The fourth period is a fairly reliable site for rumors, so no, you saying something isn’t on par.
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