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WanderingCapsFan said:
Wow. The great Matthew Phillips debate.

Hard to believe, but here we are.

A good indication that a Cup is not in our near future.
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Well, the numbers only folks need a new darling to distract from the “60M for Sandin would be a steal!” posts that are dying a slow death, lol.

So, even though many posters have respectfully explained in great detail why they have doubts about Phillips’ game at the NHL level, they can hide behind the numbers again, responding with condescending posts about “just seeing him fall down once” and “confirmation bias.”

Here’s a suggestion - watch. the. games. And if you can’t be bothered to do that because you think you already have all the answers - try reading some posts from people who have been in and around the game for a long time. You might just learn something.
 
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Thinking about Miro

If they prefer his contract to slip they can keep him in A, but why? There will be no shortage of cap space in 3 years so they can call him up and not worry about it.

So what else? Him not being ready? Good for the tank!

:)
 
RedRocking said:
Well, the numbers only folks need a new darling to distract from the “60M for Sandin would be a steal!” posts that are dying a slow death, lol.

So, even though many posters have respectfully explained in great detail why they have doubts about Phillips’ game at the NHL level, they can hide behind the numbers again, responding with condescending posts about “just seeing him fall down once” and “confirmation bias.”

Here’s a suggestion - watch. the. games. And if you can’t be bothered to do that because you think you already have all the answers - try reading some posts from people who have been in and around the game for a long time. You might just learn something.
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I’ve watched the games and Phillips is good
 
zappa4ever said:
so Patches, Dowd and Edmundson all skating now
looking forward to see how that looks soon
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Looks something like this.

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pman25 said:
I’ve watched the games and Phillips is good
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Disagree. But I tend to watch off puck stuff a lot for forwards and to me he's just very fringe. Nothing special. His IQ is NHL quality but the skating for his size isn't strong. Nor is he built like a fireplug. He can be useful in spurts but so could an Aucoin. The underlyings are solid but there's probably a reason why he's slid down the depth chart. Overall on a team that struggles to turn the corner on teams there's not much that he has to offer IMO with that size/strength/skating combination. The skill is fine but getting to spots, creating havoc and the like has definitely seemed to fade. He's got just one shot in the past four games, averaging less than nine minutes. Mantha & Protas have seemingly passed him and for good reason I think.



I was not expecting WSH & NJD to be so proximate. Then again, WSH's schedule hasn't been killer. Still, promising early on. Their issues have tended to be actual finishing, quality chance creation, net drive and avoiding glaring breakdowns. Zoom way out and there's some reason to believe they're not bad...and yet ultimately it's still the defensive side of things where I'm skeptical they'll manage to firm up even if the offense starts hitting the mark more.
 
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RedRocking said:
Well, the numbers only folks need a new darling to distract from the “60M for Sandin would be a steal!” posts that are dying a slow death, lol.

So, even though many posters have respectfully explained in great detail why they have doubts about Phillips’ game at the NHL level, they can hide behind the numbers again, responding with condescending posts about “just seeing him fall down once” and “confirmation bias.”

Here’s a suggestion - watch. the. games. And if you can’t be bothered to do that because you think you already have all the answers - try reading some posts from people who have been in and around the game for a long time. You might just learn something.
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I watch every single game, and I've been a fan for decades. The fact that we can watch the same thing and come away with different impressions just underscores how subjective it is. You don't get a complete picture without looking at the stats. Stats don't tell the whole story, either. But I do find hard data more compelling than anecdotal evidence and narratives.
 
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RedRocking said:
Well, the numbers only folks need a new darling to distract from the “60M for Sandin would be a steal!” posts that are dying a slow death, lol.

So, even though many posters have respectfully explained in great detail why they have doubts about Phillips’ game at the NHL level, they can hide behind the numbers again, responding with condescending posts about “just seeing him fall down once” and “confirmation bias.”

Here’s a suggestion - watch. the. games. And if you can’t be bothered to do that because you think you already have all the answers - try reading some posts from people who have been in and around the game for a long time. You might just learn something.
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I think you've missed the point. The 'Great Phllips Debate' is silly because whoever is right, the impact on the team is minimal at best.

Also, if you read posts from people who have been in and around the game a long time, you'll come across PLENTY of nonsense. So, you know, don't pat yourself on the back too hard.
 
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bacchist said:
I watch every single game, and I've been a fan for decades. The fact that we can watch the same thing and come away with different impressions just underscores how subjective it is. You don't get a complete picture without looking at the stats. Stats don't tell the whole story, either. But I do find hard data more compelling than anecdotal evidence and narratives.
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Yea, I don’t have a dog in this endless fight between analytics and the eye test. I think both are helpful, and this is a discussion board so people are naturally going to have differing subjective opinions.

I just get a little annoyed when the analytics only crowd present their data-based opinions as objective fact. And in the process, dismiss any actual hockey analysis as biased, and based on one play - as if people aren’t capable of watching a player across a whole hockey game, and using their decades of hockey knowledge to evaluate the player.

If the numbers only people want others to be open minded to new and improved fancy stats (which I always am), then it should be more of a two-way street - where they can appreciate and respect some old fashioned hockey evaluations (even if they disagree). That’s all I was really saying. I’ll get off my soap box now and shut up, lol.
 
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Ridley Simon said:
Phillips is an “ok” forward for a middling to poor team.

He could possibly be a “good” forward for a terrible/bottom feeder team.

He’s not playing on a good team.

Anyone disagree with this? Or can we put the great Matt Phillips debate to rest?
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Yep. Arguing about Phillips is like criticizing the third course on the dinner menu of the Titanic. We've got bigger problems, and Phillips isn't the solution.

The biggest problem is the difficulty in improving this team. We've got a lot of money sunk in people who aren't playing (regardless of any cap effects of said money), and we can't really do anything until those people either heal or leave/retire/get cut. We're waiting... and the season is moving on...
 
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Ridley Simon said:
Phillips is an “ok” forward for a middling to poor team.

He could possibly be a “good” forward for a terrible/bottom feeder team.

He’s not playing on a good team.

Anyone disagree with this? Or can we put the great Matt Phillips debate to rest?
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Preach.
 
Ridley Simon said:
Phillips is an “ok” forward for a middling to poor team.

He could possibly be a “good” forward for a terrible/bottom feeder team.

He’s not playing on a good team.

Anyone disagree with this? Or can we put the great Matt Phillips debate to rest?
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Honestly, good on a bad team is better than bad on a bad team. So far this season, too many players have been bad on a bad team. Give the kid more ice time. He doesn't necessarily deserve it, but neither does anyone else.
 
alphabetical said:
Honestly, good on a bad team is better than bad on a bad team. So far this season, too many players have been bad on a bad team. Give the kid more ice time. He doesn't necessarily deserve it, but neither does anyone else.
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Good on a bad team generally means someone looks better than they really are because the team around them stinks for whatever reason.

A lot of our players and prospects during the rebuild year were overvalued because they were "good on a bad team".

If you're trying to fix a team then playing such guys is a temp reward that maybe lights a fire under the asses of the better players, I guess. But it's not a long-term solution.
 
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g00n said:
Good on a bad team generally means someone looks better than they really are because the team around them stinks for whatever reason.

A lot of our players and prospects during the rebuild year were overvalued because they were "good on a bad team".

If you're trying to fix a team then playing such guys is a temp reward that maybe lights a fire under the asses of the better players, I guess. But it's not a long-term solution.
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I don't know who you think the better players are at this point. The stats don't really point to anyone.

Do you think Oshie still has another gear? His last two years have been pretty bad (especially 5v5), so I'm expecting a continuation of that regression from him. I don't see any reason why he's playing 18 minutes a night.
 
As TFP’s David Pagnotta reported last week, the Capitals spoke with the Montreal Canadiens about taking on Mantha and his $5.7 million cap hit, but a deal has yet to be reached. According to Pagnotta, the Capitals and Habs discussions included Montreal forward Joel Armia, who would have been flipped to another team as part of a three-way move. It is unclear if those negotiations are still open.

Separate sources have also told TFP the Capitals spoke with the Philadelphia Flyers and San Jose Sharks about Mantha, but the added sweetener to take on Mantha’s contract was not believed to be high enough to entice either team.
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Barring an uptick in trade negotiations over the last 24-36 hours, a trade involving Mantha is not believed to be imminent, but MacLellan will surely continue to comb the market.
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RedRocking said:
Yea, I don’t have a dog in this endless fight between analytics and the eye test. I think both are helpful, and this is a discussion board so people are naturally going to have differing subjective opinions.

I just get a little annoyed when the analytics only crowd present their data-based opinions as objective fact. And in the process, dismiss any actual hockey analysis as biased, and based on one play - as if people aren’t capable of watching a player across a whole hockey game, and using their decades of hockey knowledge to evaluate the player.

If the numbers only people want others to be open minded to new and improved fancy stats (which I always am), then it should be more of a two-way street - where they can appreciate and respect some old fashioned hockey evaluations (even if they disagree). That’s all I was really saying. I’ll get off my soap box now and shut up, lol.
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Yeah, and I wish the militant analytics people would acknowledge that some of the stats they use are based on a subjective judgment of a human being. So they aren't hard stats. Hockey and football analytics are not like baseball, which lends itself to analytics. Also, "Intangibles" matter more in the 2 more physical sports, "want to", effort, hustle, etc... all matter more and aren't easy to quantify. I heard how good Jeff Schultz was based on +/- and other numbers, that were influenced by who he was on the ice with. He stunk, the eye test told that story, regardless of the numbers or how cool his half slap shot was.
 
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