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Thats hard with Miro. In hockey that extra rookie year doesn't matter as much as in other sports. NHL players often sign a RFA deal before the rookie deal is over.

I think it comes down to home much is coach going to want to play him? If we burn his year for nacho duty and under ten mins of ice time when he plays I would send him down.
If he's earned top line and every night ice time you keep him.
 
TheSmokingMan said:
I'm all for scratching Pacioretty if we have a better option, but I'm not sold that we currently do. Patches is at a .53 pts/game NAK is at .33 and Sgarbossa is at .31, a pretty significant dropoff in production. Although, they do have a better plus minus. It's debatable if having them in the lineup improves our chances of winning.
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From a trying to get the younglings more time playing patches seems dumb. That said they will not scratch him. Just can't see him doing that.
 
bacchist said:
Analytics marginally favor Sgarbossa and NAK over Patches.

I am anti-tank and I want Miro to stay up.
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nothing to with tanking imo
burning a year has a flow on effect as our next wave of prospects come up, all of them will want their pay rise when its due, every contract becomes one year earlier
we would hope to be competitive, whether that means winning a cup or just making the playoffs, in 5-8 years right ?
every dollar matters
he can be great for hershey for the rest of this year, play top minutes, that won't stunt his development at all

talk him through it, can almost guarantee he will be a Cap at the start of next season, and send him down
 
lol @ everyone up in arms defending Miro as a NHL ready future superstar when three weeks ago everyone was saying he was a middle six forward at best, has shown nothing in the AHL...fancy stat comparisons to bottom 6 NHLers. This place is whack.
 
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Holtbyisms said:
lol @ everyone up in arms defending Miro as a NHL ready future superstar when three weeks ago everyone was saying he was a middle six forward at best, has shown nothing in the AHL...fancy stat comparisons to bottom 6 NHLers. This place is whack.
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I mean, we traded away arguably our best forward, and we've had trouble scoring all year. There are going to be meaningful games down the stretch whether we ultimately make the playoffs or not. There's room for him, and it's a good chance for him to prove himself.
 
Holtbyisms said:
lol @ everyone up in arms defending Miro as a NHL ready future superstar when three weeks ago everyone was saying he was a middle six forward at best, has shown nothing in the AHL...fancy stat comparisons to bottom 6 NHLers. This place is whack.
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Stop talking in such large generalizations.
 
Holtbyisms said:
lol @ everyone up in arms defending Miro as a NHL ready future superstar when three weeks ago everyone was saying he was a middle six forward at best, has shown nothing in the AHL...fancy stat comparisons to bottom 6 NHLers. This place is whack.
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No one was talking about him in such extremes.

I want all of our prospects to turn into top 6 stars. But they won’t. And quite frankly if Miroshnichenko becomes a middle six regular, that’s a very good outcome for a 20th overall pick.
 
Miro's coming around v nicely the last few gms

you never know how anyone's going to adapt to the Big League

1st few gms Miro was a bit timid, showed OK here and there

last few gms he's throwing checks, not afraid to shoot, and now that he's potted 2, seems much more confident

Looking fwd to see what he can do the rest of RS and beyond assuming he stays up
 
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Hey guys, just curious if Charlie is starting in net tonight?

I come in peace, a Buffalo fan living in DC so I got to a lot of Caps games.
 
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Asymmetric Solution said:
Hey guys, just curious if Charlie is starting in net tomorrow night?

I come in peace, a Buffalo fan living in DC so I got to a lot of Caps games.
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Let's hope!

Also, if there's anyway the Sabres and Debbies can both lose today:

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Asymmetric Solution said:
I need the Sabres to win but will be rooting for you guys to sneak back into the Metro top 3.

Also, I meant today for Charlie, not tomorrow?
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Caps played very well Thursday against Seattle. Won. Day off. I suspect Charlie is in net tonight and lines will remain the same. so NAK and Sgarbosa out again. Why change it.
 
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Sabres or Red Wings today?
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In order of preference:
- whichever team wins, it happens in regulation; no OT/3-pointer
- Wings can't keep losing forever; w/o checking strength-of-remaining-schedule for each team, for reason just cited, I'd go with Sabres
- I'd vote for Philthy and the Aisles to lose out, and all three of the others to make the playoffs
 
Holtbyisms said:
lol @ everyone up in arms defending Miro as a NHL ready future superstar when three weeks ago everyone was saying he was a middle six forward at best, has shown nothing in the AHL...fancy stat comparisons to bottom 6 NHLers. This place is whack.
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I still think Miro is middle 6 (on a cup contender). That is a valuable role. So nothing changed.

What has changed is that he has taken full advantage of his opportunity. He looks fast. He looks fast. He looks physical. He looks like he belongs.

So yeah, I want him to keep working at the NHL level and position him as a full-timer next year or a regular call-up. So that means we don’t need the slide year. Sure, it means his contracts come up quicker and he will likely make more money. Who cares. Say what you will about Ted but he isn’t afraid to spend money. And we’ll have plenty of it next few years.
 
From my memory of ELCs, the slide part is much less important to teams than the service time amount, which I think is set at 40 games. Basically, if he plays 40 games in his first non-slide ELC year, then you get 3 ELC years and 4 RFA years. If he doesn't make it to 40 games, you get the 2 other ELC years plus 5 RFA years.

The other aspect if you think he needs a bigger runway to stardom is that getting his ELC over quicker means his platform year occurs earlier in his development. As a hypothetical, let's assume a linear development in points for a star player's prime, with 7 years of control and peaking in year 5, being 35->50->65->80->95->95->95. If we assume this year is the '35 points' year, if the contract slides, his ELC years will be 50 65 80, and you'll have to pay based on that 80 point threshold. On the other hand, if you burn this year, then his ELC years will be [partial season] 50 65, and his platform year will be based on the 65 point year. For a more concrete example, look at the different bridge contracts between Nylander and Marner, in terms of burning that first year as a partial compared to being a full season. With bridge contracts escalating in price, and being closer to their UFA price, that's one of the few ways teams have of exercising control over the RFA years.
 
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What I like most about Miro so far is that he's capable of taking a real shot from anywhere in the offensive zone at any given time. Not just getting it on net, hoping for a deflection or lucky bounce. A good hard shot that has to be dealt with. We just haven't had a lot of that lately, and I think it's important to keep teams on their toes, keeps goalies honest, and create some genuine chaos out there. It makes us harder to play against. I hope he keeps that element in his game as he progresses.
 
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From my memory of ELCs, the slide part is much less important to teams than the service time amount, which I think is set at 40 games. Basically, if he plays 40 games in his first non-slide ELC year, then you get 3 ELC years and 4 RFA years. If he doesn't make it to 40 games, you get the 2 other ELC years plus 5 RFA years.

The other aspect if you think he needs a bigger runway to stardom is that getting his ELC over quicker means his platform year occurs earlier in his development. As a hypothetical, let's assume a linear development in points for a star player's prime, with 7 years of control and peaking in year 5, being 35->50->65->80->95->95->95. If we assume this year is the '35 points' year, if the contract slides, his ELC years will be 50 65 80, and you'll have to pay based on that 80 point threshold. On the other hand, if you burn this year, then his ELC years will be [partial season] 50 65, and his platform year will be based on the 65 point year. For a more concrete example, look at the different bridge contracts between Nylander and Marner, in terms of burning that first year as a partial compared to being a full season. With bridge contracts escalating in price, and being closer to their UFA price, that's one of the few ways teams have of exercising control over the RFA years.
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That is a good breakdown. And if Miro gets to 95 points a year consistently as you have him, then pay the man on an 8 year contract when ELC is up.

The reason the slide exists is to give young developing players more time to find their NHL groove and gives waiver control for the team that drafted him. If they develop quickly to NHL players then team loses some control and player gets paid quicker. Seems fair to me.

But you aren’t going to do wonky things with contracts if player is trending and is helping to win especially for playoff run. All of that is happening so it is likely he stays. Welcome to the NHL Miro.
 
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