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TheSmokingMan
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Is there a break-down of what the 4 stages are and what conditions have to be met in order to suspend a player without pay? It seems a little wrong to ask players to voluntarily check themselves into the program and then suspend them without pay.
Ovechkins Wodka
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I would wait to hear more about this from the NHL PA. I think you’re correct they can’t take away his pay for checking into rehab. And if they do, we need to look at those rules.
Edit - Im not sure anymore. He might have different rules as a 2nd offender.
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mouser
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IF Kuznetsov is in stage 2 or higher of the Player Assistance Program, and thus suspended without pay it may not have been a voluntary decision by him to re-enter the program.
Details on the four stages in the program:
I don't really care if we win the next 4 games
There is no decision to be made BMac ... sell
There is no decision to be made BMac ... sell
TheSmokingMan
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Thank you, that makes it a lot clearer. So it seems after a player enters and successfully completes stage one treatment, they go into a kind of probationary period with follow up conditions for a certain period of time. I imagine it could mean mandatory counseling and possibly drug testing.
If the player fails to meet those conditions they will be placed in stage two. It seems that as long as a player enters the program voluntarily and hasn't violated his follow-up care, that they are paid their normal salary and can be in reinstated at the discretion of the program doctors.
So it would appear that it's possible a player can enter the program voluntarily multiple times without losing their salary as long as they met the follow up conditions of the previous treatment. If I'm reading it correctly, the league doesn't punish players who voluntarily seek help. However, they do penalize players who violate the follow-up conditions after they are reinstated.
I have two questions. A player who is in stage one will still receive their normal salary, but does that also mean the team gets no cap relief other than an additional roster spot? In stages 2-4, the player forfeits their salary; is there cap relief for the team in this scenario?
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Capfriendly says that Laine, Kuznetsov and Nichushkin all don't count against the cap (afaik, Kuzy is the only repeated participant).
mouser
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Players in stage 1 could actually still be playing, and if they are we’d rarely become aware theyre even in the assistance program. Usually only becomes public when a player misses games. The program doctors have discretion whether they think it’s best for a player in stage 1 to play or not while receiving treatment.
Teams can and have been allowed to use LTIR for players in the assistance program. Not clear whether this applies to all players in the program or only for those in the program for sone subcategory of treatments. Again, the reasons why players are in the program usually do not become public.
Any player suspended without pay does not count against the salary cap. This applies to any suspension, not just player assistance program related suspensions.
If you look carefully at CapFriendly all three players are listed as being in the player assistance program, but only Kuznetsov is listed as having a $0 cap hit for 2023-24.
g00n
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All the smoke around this fire suggests Kuzy MAY have already been in S1 and then violated his terms, as mouser discussed.
That is, unless he did something to raise the awareness of the league regarding his behavior while NOT in S1 and they sent him directly to S2 via a suspension.
Either way, he's on shaky ground. If there's an additional compliance problem in S2 he's looking at 6mo off, and then a full season if it happens in S3.
So yeah, he may have played his last game as a Cap.
Or, maybe he gets things sorted and comes back strong in his final contract year and we sign him to an expensive extension......
That is, unless he did something to raise the awareness of the league regarding his behavior while NOT in S1 and they sent him directly to S2 via a suspension.
Either way, he's on shaky ground. If there's an additional compliance problem in S2 he's looking at 6mo off, and then a full season if it happens in S3.
So yeah, he may have played his last game as a Cap.
Or, maybe he gets things sorted and comes back strong in his final contract year and we sign him to an expensive extension......
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The bottom line is that Michael Sgarbossa is a far more effective player for the Caps than Kuzy. And that’s not intended as a knock on Sgarbossa. He’s a scrappy career AHLer who makes the most of his toolset - pretty much the anti-Kuzy.
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Everybody grab a dark cloak and a sickle, the Culling may be nigh.
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Well, Caps twitter says the trip is over.
Everybody grab a dark cloak and a sickle, the Culling may be nigh.
(Okay, maybe not, but it's a good excuse to break out your dark cloaks and sickles.)
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Brian MacLellan ready to make decision on trade deadline by early next week: ‘These games will determine what direction we go’
The Washington Capitals have some big decisions on the horizon as the NHL's March 8 trade deadline quickly approaches. With the date…
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Sounds like a seller. I mean, you're not not selling based on three games, right? It's just a matter of when barring a miraculous winning streak here soon. They're currently 12th in the East by points percentage. They have some games in hand on teams. Overall it's not exactly a killer bunch between 7-11 but that's still a lot of teams to jump over. Seems like they've largely weighed their options and netting futures outweighs whatever minimal chances of a run would offer.
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I read it as these 3 games are the starting point. I doubt it starts and ends with this 3 game stretch.Brian MacLellan ready to make decision on trade deadline by early next week: ‘These games will determine what direction we go’
The Washington Capitals have some big decisions on the horizon as the NHL's March 8 trade deadline quickly approaches. With the date…
Sounds like a seller. I mean, you're not not selling based on three games, right? It's just a matter of when barring a miraculous winning streak here soon. They're currently 12th in the East by points percentage. They have some games in hand on teams. Overall it's not exactly a killer bunch between 7-11 but that's still a lot of teams to jump over. Seems like they've largely weighed their options and netting futures outweighs whatever minimal chances of a run would offer.
If they don't get a desired points % then they feel they're likely out of the playoff hunt and will start selling now. If they get maybe 5 of 6pts they might hold off and see what happens.
If they win 2-3 in a row then botch the next 4-5 they might start selling.
I think they are selling regardless. Even if they are in a playoff position, I still think they move 1 or 2 pending FA’s (Mantha, NAK, Patches). But they likely won’t move people with term (Dowd, Lindgren, Jensen, TVR).Brian MacLellan ready to make decision on trade deadline by early next week: ‘These games will determine what direction we go’
The Washington Capitals have some big decisions on the horizon as the NHL's March 8 trade deadline quickly approaches. With the date…
Sounds like a seller. I mean, you're not not selling based on three games, right? It's just a matter of when barring a miraculous winning streak here soon. They're currently 12th in the East by points percentage. They have some games in hand on teams. Overall it's not exactly a killer bunch between 7-11 but that's still a lot of teams to jump over. Seems like they've largely weighed their options and netting futures outweighs whatever minimal chances of a run would offer.
If thy fall much further back, then those players all become available for the right package (i.e. first round picks and prospects). And then I think we’ll retain on Mantha and broker two more vets. Good chance for us to stockpile picks and prospects.
Sgarbossa has been impressive, but the Bears are going to want/need him for Calder run so that means Caps will likely only keep Sgarbossa for 10 game max and then send back down. They likely have to bring up another center which will likely (hopefully) be Sutter for 10 games and then send him back down. McMichael, Protas, and Lapierre are all waivers exempt and Caps may do paper moves to roster them on Hershey at roster freeze so they are eligible for playoffs.
Unless they go something like 8-1-1 in their next 10 the decision should be clear and it should be to sell. This team can't score and their margin for error is pretty much non-existent both from an in-game perspective -- they have to play pretty much flawlessly to win every night -- and from a standings perspective where they now find themselves having to jump half a dozen teams in order to reach the wild card.
That they're continuing to play hard despite falling in the standings is a positive indicator on Carberry and the culture they're building but they're old and lack a true difference maker at any position. If Ovechkin and Oshie could still pot 80+ combined and Carlson was still a points monster then they might otherwise have enough talent and depth to make things interesting but who on this roster is someone that's going to make other teams uncomfortable on a nightly basis?
That they're continuing to play hard despite falling in the standings is a positive indicator on Carberry and the culture they're building but they're old and lack a true difference maker at any position. If Ovechkin and Oshie could still pot 80+ combined and Carlson was still a points monster then they might otherwise have enough talent and depth to make things interesting but who on this roster is someone that's going to make other teams uncomfortable on a nightly basis?
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Doubtful, but a 1st and young ready player would be the starting point. Otherwise he’s the next Captain in 2.5 years.
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Doubtful, with the new contract. But they absolutely should have.
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