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Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

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Brian23 said:
Look, imma be honest. I'm not sure how we feel about memes in our roster construction but this is 100% a fire ass meme that I needed to share.

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Me watching Hextall cook
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g00n said:
Ah, this is the point where you think you can step in and talk the same shit as everyone else but from a Mr. Neutral Observer position.

It was not one game later than everyone else. People have been calling for selling for MONTHS...even when they were in a playoff position.

The FLA game was the breaking point for the season...it was a must-win game and they were horrid. I had been saying for months they had to be in a position where they were not going to make the playoffs before they became sellers.

For weeks prior to that game I assessed their chances and their upcoming schedule, including the points % they probably needed to make the playoffs. They'd won 3 of 4 through the ASG including beating Boston. It was too early to sell.

By mid-February they'd finally gotten to a point where it was clear the teams behind them were gaining fast and they were not keeping up the necessary pace. I called DET and OTT and BUF to pass them if they didn't hit 65% points% after the ASG and they didn't come close. By the time of the FLA game I think it went up to 75% and there was no way that was going to happen.

A week later, they were selling.

As for who I argue with, I argue with just about everyone. If you say some stupid shit I may argue with you.

Case in point.

The rest of your "you're always shitty and everyone else apologizes" gaslighting is pure horseshit.

Ultimately, everyone else can play the game but you think you have to post asinine, distorted summaries like this one so you can be above it all and get attaboys from the people who post aforementioned stupid shit.



Back then, for one game, it was true. People here were pissing their pants over lines in one game. While they were in a playoff spot.

Which is it....were they a good playoff team that needed to try and win that game, or a shitty team that had no chance anyway so the lines didn't matter?

I know for a fact I said this probably wasn't a Cup team but it was completely unreasonable to be blowing it up in November, or January.

I don't need your blessings. I have a hat.
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So you'r either smarter and better at discussing hockey than everyone here, ooooor there is something about you, i.e the constant factor in your experience, that leads to you always getting into arguments.
 
YippieKaey said:
So you'r either smarter and better at discussing hockey than everyone here, ooooor there is something about you, i.e the constant factor in your experience, that leads to you always getting into arguments.
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No, this is a distortion of context that's getting out of hand.

I'm not constantly arguing with everyone. I said I "WILL" argue with "just about everyone", as a response to an asinine mischaracterization of this particular debate about the team, where someone said I only argue with one specific group of innocent, intelligent, well-mannered posters who always apologize whenever 'ol Dirty g00n is so mean he causes them to lose their cool.

And as I said in another post there is a small group of posters with a specific agenda who frequently dislike what I have to say because they're pushing a default message that's anathema to anyone arguing for patience in letting this season play out. Those are the ones that most often get into arguments with me and with others who have positions similar to mine. Not just me.
 
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In regards to 19. I personally don’t want to trade him, not so much because of my desire for him to retire a cap, but because I don’t want to drain futures just to make cap room. For the first time in 15ish years we are focusing on young talent for the future. Dumping cap would signal trying to buy other expensive FAs. The best course would be for 19 to have a good off-season and limit his underperformance vs his cap. Our prospect pool is not deep and we need to focus on rebuilding that.
 
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Corby78 said:
In regards to 19. I personally don’t want to trade him, not so much because of my desire for him to retire a cap, but because I don’t want to drain futures just to make cap room. For the first time in 15ish years we are focusing on young talent for the future. Dumping cap would signal trying to buy other expensive FAs. The best course would be for 19 to have a good off-season and limit his underperformance vs his cap. Our prospect pool is not deep and we need to focus on rebuilding that.
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There is no way they should even consider a cap dump situation with NB, particularly one that costs draft picks. He's either going to improve as he rehabs further or retire in 1-2yrs at 36 or 37.
 
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There is no way they should even consider a cap dump situation with NB, particularly one that costs draft picks. He's either going to improve as he rehabs further or retire in 1-2yrs at 36 or 37.
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I would easily part with some of the capital we got during the TDL to get rid of Nick. That cap space could help land another true top six center or a play-driving winger which would a world of difference.

BMac has done really well this season with the additions of Strome, Milano, and Sandin, Jensen’s extension, and with the additional draft capital he’s getting but the reality is if Kuznetsov and Backstrom play this next season the way they’ve played this season then they’re stuck. Making the top six more dynamic makes them a better team and helps Ovi get the record and if the cost of doing that is draft capital (not first round picks) then I’m fine with it.

The other reality is that don’t have the time left with #8 for Nick to either figure it out or walk away in two years.
 
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I would easily part with some of the capital we got during the TDL to get rid of Nick. That cap space could help land another true top six center or a play-driving winger which would a world of difference.

BMac has done really well this season with the additions of Strome, Milano, and Sandin, Jensen’s extension, and with the additional draft capital he’s getting but the reality is if Kuznetsov and Backstrom play this next season the way they’ve played this season then they’re stuck. Making the top six more dynamic makes them a better team and helps Ovi get the record and if the cost of doing that is draft capital (not first round picks) then I’m fine with it.

The other reality is that don’t have the time left with #8 for Nick to either figure it out or walk away in two years.
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That sounds like a "hockey trade" and not a cap dump, though.
 
I doubt they proceed down that road on 19 just yet. Next year if he's not a lot better it becomes unavoidable. But I think they give him the off-season to show he can rebound.

More likely you'd think is swapping Mantha out or paying a bit to move him (either in assets or slight retention). I wonder if some of the current bubble teams with ample cap space might have interest: WPG, LAK, MIN, NYI, BUF. There's probably no one knocking their door down but if there's any market at all they should pull the trigger. A buy-out would save them $4.333M next season. You wonder if that might not be the eventual answer otherwise.

The UFA market being what it is I don't think there's a dire need to open up loads of space anyway. I could be persuaded to bring Orlov back if the market isn't there for him on term but otherwise I'm not sure there are any prizes. Nor that various off-season cap squeezes will bear much fruit. TBL & VAN stand out as teams that will need to make moves but I don't know if there's a big prize with either. The Caps are just going to have to take their lumps and keep building shrewdly.
 
Hopefully they either don’t have to tell - or have already told - 19, 77, 74, and 8 that the game is getting too fast for them and they either have to work harder at adapting to that reality or pack it in. And maybe they do owe Nick some runway here - but the contrast between how they played all December and how they play now is still really stark.

I know this is not a contemporaneous quote from Mac to Svrulga in a Post article from a couple of days ago, but it seems eerily on point - almost like Mac wanted the message sent:

When his own Stanley Cup-winning playing career was winding down, executives urged him to hang on in the minors with Detroit. All it took was one injury to get called up again, they said. The league was expanding, and he could find a job as a veteran presence on a baby club, they said.

“I was like, ‘Ah, it’s time to move on,’ ” MacLellan told me years ago. He was aging. He was hurting. He was slowing. “You have to be realistic, self-aware.”
 
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I'll play along, knowing fully well that no way they pay up to dump Backstrom.

Where do you think we could ship Backstrom to? He has NMC until the summer and after that it turns into 15-team no trade -list. That most likely takes out all the Canadian teams and rebuilders. Where do we find a contender that takes Backstrom @ 9.2 million for 2 more years?
 
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My AHL knowledge is 0.

Has he looked that great? He doesn't get many points I noticed.
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Tied for third in the AHL in goals and is only 3 goals off of first place as a rookie. Primarily a sniper who also has some wheels. He has a 2nd gear that he uses for separation that you just can’t teach.

He’s a college UFA so he’s also older, but this is a solid signing considering Friedman reported that other teams were interested in his services this offseason.
 
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Tied for third in the AHL in goals and is only 3 goals off of first place as a rookie. Primarily a sniper who also has some wheels. He has a 2nd gear that he uses for separation that you just can’t teach.

He’s a college UFA so he’s also older, but this is a solid signing considering Friedman reported that other teams were interested in his services this offseason.
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We were talking about Iorio! Who you deffo have more insight on this year than anyone else!

But, yes, great news! Frank is signed!
 
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Domi becomes a very interesting piece if they do intend on trying to make a little run, especially if the goal from CHI is a second and he goes for less than that. Even with his UFA status, if it’s a buy-low option, would be fun for the stretch run.

Opposition’s heads would explode between him and Big Tom.
 
Now with Frank signed, let's get this BS season over and start next!

HeyMattyB said:
Hey hey! They did it!

I know nothing about this guy other than the fact that everyone has been clamoring for the Caps to sign him.
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This is huge news. Team gets faster instantly.
 
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Domi becomes a very interesting piece if they do intend on trying to make a little run, especially if the goal from CHI is a second and he goes for less than that. Even with his UFA status, if it’s a buy-low option, would be fun for the stretch run.

Opposition’s heads would explode between him and Big Tom.
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I've considered it for the asking price and then considered flipping him before deadline tomorrow for desperate team needing to do something.
 
LesDiablesRouges said:
Domi becomes a very interesting piece if they do intend on trying to make a little run, especially if the goal from CHI is a second and he goes for less than that. Even with his UFA status, if it’s a buy-low option, would be fun for the stretch run.

Opposition’s heads would explode between him and Big Tom.
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ew. Keep Domi far from the Caps please.

It also screws up our tanking efforts
 
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