Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[HTFN]

That you’re not on team whatever….doesn’t mean you’re not suggesting you know more in these specific Instances you’ve mentioned….you’re railing on and on how they’re wrong.

because I think they're wrong.

that doesn't mean I think I'm peerless or better, I'm just waiting to be proven wrong. I'd love it, honestly, because I don't want to feel that kind of dread. It's still happening though, and it's going to until there's reason to see otherwise. Anybody's welcome to engage in that discussion, it would no doubt be constructive.

complaining about having to hear it is not that

 

[DWGie26]

The youngsters getting more playing time is really about the role they are supposed to fill. For example last year we needed a young dee and that was Fever so he never came out. This year it is likely Beck Malenstyn because he is wired for the 4LW spot. There was no great immediate fit for AJF, Leason, Snively, and now CMM. Next year we should need a 3C with Eller leaving. So CMM needs to keep learning, be around the team, learn what it is like to be a pro and take better advantage of his opportunities.

 

[Brian23]

learn what it is like to be a pro

He could learn this and be playing 20 minutes a night in Hershey.

I'd really love to be pointed towards someone who actually got better just sitting upstairs every night.

 

[twabby]

Developing a hockey player is like developing a character in a role playing video game.

You start off with a lowly Level 1 character (draftee) who, if thrown against higher level enemies (e.g. NHLers), will get slaughtered. However as one vanquishes foes at or near their level they get EXP and they level up. Eventually, the character may be able to take on and even dominate these higher level foes.

Of course fighting lower level foes offers little to no EXP.

 

[twabby]

Furthermore, playmaking in the NHL is a lot like the classic hit video game StarCraft. Let me explain:

 

[SherVaughn30]

He could learn this and be playing 20 minutes a night in Hershey.

I'd really love to be pointed towards someone who actually got better just sitting upstairs every night.

Part of good development for a young player is playing games. It's just human nature to learn and get better by trial and error. There is only so much a young player can learn by just practicing.

 

[Raikkonen]

CMM whining shouldnt be a part of discussion about greater plan which went wrong.

If not for Protas CMM would be playing right now most probably. Try to argue Caps would be better with him instead of current Protas. Thats at least unclear.

Although there are LT injuries which were known long before roster was fully filled for the Autumn. Maybe they have a place for younger guy because they want Wilson to get that place later.

How can you say something for certain in this situation? IDK

 

[Portable Mink]

Not really surprised we got a shutout with Carlson not playing.

 

[Fred22406Capsfan]

Twabby, where's the StarCraft explanation? Fighting that swarm (can't recall the name) always kicked my tail!

 

[DWGie26]

He could learn this and be playing 20 minutes a night in Hershey.

I'd really love to be pointed towards someone who actually got better just sitting upstairs every night.

You would never see it. The player may swe it. the player may not even notice it. Being around the team, see how they prepare, how they live (which is a lot different than in the AHL). There is actually a lot to learn in becoming a pro, and its not just about playing.

He is one injury to a center away from playing. But he isn’t going to steal a spot from anyone right now. It is going to take an injury. When we get to a numbers crunch on bodies, I can see him getting sent down.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

You would never see it. The player may swe it. the player may not even notice it. Being around the team, see how they prepare, how they live (which is a lot different than in the AHL). There is actually a lot to learn in becoming a pro, and its not just about playing.

He is one injury to a center away from playing. But he isn’t going to steal a spot from anyone right now. It is going to take an injury. When we get to a numbers crunch on bodies, I can see him getting sent down.

He has had over a year to observe. It’s time to play in Hershey now.

 

[twabby]

Twabby, where's the StarCraft explanation? Fighting that swarm (can't recall the name) always kicked my tail!

The Zerg rush is a lot like firing slapshots from the point. But if you just keep blasting away either one will eventually break through or more likely it will disrupt and wear down your opponent, opening them up to other more effective attacks.

 

[DWGie26]

He has had over a year to observe. It’s time to play in Hershey now.

Sounds like Sonny is impressing in Hershey. That could help force the move. Which BTW, I am in agreement with If we have too many bodies. Until then he probably stays in WSH.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Do we have any injury updates on Oshie and Carlson. Will they miss some time?

 

[g00n]

Do we have any injury updates on Oshie and Carlson. Will they miss some time?

I saw in a dream last night Oshie is on his way to Neptune to receive special magnetic plasma treatment for a herniated aura.

Carlson's CIA handler sent me a message via dead drop that JC would be deep cover until further notice and we should continue the operation without him until advised otherwise.

 

[StrikingDistance]

I saw in a dream last night Oshie is on his way to Neptune to receive special magnetic plasma treatment for a herniated aura.

Carlson's CIA handler sent me a message via dead drop that JC would be deep cover until further notice and we should continue the operation without him until advised otherwise.

Here's an update from Caps PR Manager, Leslie Nielsen:

 

[pman25]

Evolving Hockey updated as of 10/30 for 22/23 season

 

[pman25]

Oshie confirmed useless outside of the PP. Kuzy confirmed bad on PP, and everywhere else.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Oshie confirmed useless outside of the PP. Kuzy confirmed bad on PP, and everywhere else.

Not sure if it was the injury in preseason or if he’s just old but Osh has been terrible. And yeah, my thoughts on Kuzy’s play this year have been well documented — he’s been hot ass.

I think that chart paints an optimistic picture? That they’re 5-4 with some of their top dogs playing well below their standards means there’s runway for improvement. MoJo has been a revelation and Mantha is playing like the player I thought we were getting. He could have had a hat trick in the first 30 minutes on Saturday.

 

[Brian23]

Add Osh to the list.

 

[twabby]

Here is the GAR chart (vs. the xGAR @pman25 posted):

xGAR probably has more meaning right now because xG performs better in smaller sample sizes, though both need to be taken with big grains of salt right now because these are regression models designed to input a lot of data. Without large amounts of data the GAR elements are going to come with some pretty high errors this early in the season.

That said it's encouraging that Eller is playing well in particular along with Mantha, but I don't think this overall paints too optimistic a picture because their depth players (in general) have been very good while their stars have been the weak points over the past few years. Maybe that will change and again, the data is still pretty unreliable but I don't think many here think the team is being bolstered by their stars right now (except Kuemper if you want to consider him a star, which I do). We've seen the same formula of late and it's led to first round exits each year.

Add Osh to the list.

"Indefinitely" doesn't sound great. But again I don't see too much of a dropoff just because I don't see much of a dropoff between Oshie and, say, McMichael/Milano/whoever. They should be fine. The Carlson injury could be much more impactful if they don't adjust the power play properly.

Also put Nic Dowd in the bumper spot on the PP. He's a better option than Hathaway and he can win faceoffs.

 

[Langway]

Evolving Hockey updated as of 10/30 for 22/23 season

Surprised Orlov doesn't rank higher. That otherwise largely backs up the eye test re: who is a well-rounded two-way player. There aren't many.

 

[Brian23]

So, Snively played top line minutes the last time we had a hole. They going to throw him back into replace Oshie?

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

They better play CMM finally with Oshie out

 

[twabby]

They better play CMM finally with Oshie out

Also Kuemper starting which means Lindgren in all likelihood tomorrow.