Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[IafrateOvie34]

You don’t hire a coach and step all over their toes. Lavi was a fine hire. Maybe the best possible hire. The team is washed and it was washed 2 years ago.

Caps fans need to stop living in 2018.

It was washed when they lost Game 7 to Carolina and the nail in the coffin was the playoff loss against the Islanders during the COVID playoff waste of time. Even in their prime, they failed to show up for big games, especially Game 7s, however 2018 saved them a horrible playoff reputation. I'll agree Lavi was a better hire over Babcock, however not over Gallant.

 

[Brian23]

Mantha was having issues in Detroit before they moved him. It was head case for head case and the Caps were stupid enough to throw in picks.

Yeah man, they totally threw in all those picks just for Mantha and not to unload Panik. A guy who had just dropped 38 points in 48 games, and then 48 the previous two years with 24 and 25 goals is just an awful player.

I can't stand Mantha and how uncharitable you're being towards him is laughable.

Strome is a young player on his third team for a reason. Yeah, he was a top line player on a bottom tier team.

Yes, definitely need to hold 48 games over 3 years against a player. Or that he was a good player on a bad team, and was still a good player on a middling team. Definitely need to judge someone entirely on who they have or have not played for.

Once again, the level of merchantability is off the charts.

Milano literally cast off from the worst team in the league.

I'm glad helmet scouting is now how we do things in the NHL.

Caps fans haven’t won a playoff round in 5 years and they’re turning into Commanders fans thinking their shit is gold.

You're right about one thing, Caps fans are turning into Commanders fans. Only it's not about their shit being gold, it's entirely the doom and gloom hyperbole clouding their judgements.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

I like Chychrun, however the same old argument is a concern. If we don't start playing youth in our pipeline, it's not going to work. I do like Miro, Suz, Lappy, and Iorio, however that is a lot to ask from those guys right now to step in and keep this team competitive. I mean this team lost to the Sharks and Ducks in a month's span. It all boils down to Ted wanting Ovy breaking the record and being competitive making the playoffs. Now that he has his cup, I don't think Ted is in no rush now and content. Someone who knows Ted or close to him can correct me, but that is the impression I get.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[pman25]

Chychrun for Bos 1st, Caps 2nd, and one of McMichael/Lapierre/Chesley?

Caps should have the ammunition to do it. But if thats all it costs, I really quesiton why a Chychrun deal hasn't happened sooner. I feel like that's a pretty easy offer to beat

 

[YippieKaey]

Orlov out and Chychrun in is s pretty significant upgrade given cap hits and age. Im also assuming Chychruns production will increase away from Arizona. Then again, we're not much better than Arizona at the moment.

Chychrun for Bos 1st, Caps 2nd, and one of McMichael/Lapierre/Chesley?

Caps should have the ammunition to do it. But if thats all it costs, I really quesiton why a Chychrun deal hasn't happened sooner. I feel like that's a pretty easy offer to beat

Maybe CMM out but the other two should stay i feel.

 

[um]

Yeah man, they totally threw in all those picks just for Mantha and not to unload Panik. A guy who had just dropped 38 points in 48 games, and then 48 the previous two years with 24 and 25 goals is just an awful player.

I can't stand Mantha and how uncharitable you're being towards him is laughable.

Yes, definitely need to hold 48 games over 3 years against a player. Or that he was a good player on a bad team, and was still a good player on a middling team. Definitely need to judge someone entirely on who they have or have not played for.

Once again, the level of merchantability is off the charts.



I'm glad helmet scouting is now how we do things in the NHL.


You're right about one thing, Caps fans are turning into Commanders fans. Only it's not about their shit being gold, it's entirely the doom and gloom hyperbole clouding their judgements.

Chychrun for Bos 1st, Caps 2nd, and one of McMichael/Lapierre/Chesley?

Caps should have the ammunition to do it. But if thats all it costs, I really quesiton why a Chychrun deal hasn't happened sooner. I feel like that's a pretty easy offer to beat

It's like Arizona is waiting for a Duchene to Ottawa type return.

 

[Langway]

You don’t hire a coach and step all over their toes. Lavi was a fine hire. Maybe the best possible hire. The team is washed and it was washed 2 years ago.

Here's this for starters: Ovechkin's next coach will be the eighth in his NHL career. Few have ever played for more coaches with one franchise. One of them was Ray Bourque, who had to leave Boston to finally get his Cup. The front office and ownership bear a massive responsibility for the amount of coaching turnover over the years...often seemingly choosing flawed core players over reason. It's more about establishing a strong working relationship and collectively problem-solving rather than being sort of walled off. All along I think it can be argued throughout the Ovechkin Era it hasn't been a strength and it in part explains why they've struggled to achieve more playoff success.

They had it for a minute with Trotz and even then it was rocky and he was nearly fired before they finally broke through and won the Cup. What do they do right after? Immediately allow Trotz to move on. So, yeah, I believe the way ownership and the front office operates has big hand in why they've struggled to achieve more. They knew exactly what they were getting in Lavi, knew it would a short-term marriage of convenience so they've got nothing to complain about. They wanted to win that badly and were prepared for any longer-term fallout. That's the way it goes but when they so often struggle to build quality lasting relationships with coaches I think it says more about them. And a lot more about just how stubborn they've been over the years regarding some pretty flawed stars.

 

[g00n]

Here's this for starters: Ovechkin's next coach will be the ninth in his NHL career. I believe there are less than a handful of players ever to have played for more coaches with one franchise. One of them was Ray Bourque, who had to leave Boston to finally get his Cup. The front office and ownership bear a massive responsibility for the amount of coaching turnover over the years...often seemingly choosing flawed core players over reason. It's more about establishing a strong working relationship and collectively problem-solving rather than being sort of walled off. All along I think it can be argued throughout the Ovechkin Era it hasn't been a strength and it in part explains why they've struggled to achieve more playoff success.

They had it for a minute with Trotz and even then it was rocky and he was nearly fired before they finally broke through and won the Cup. What do they do right after? Immediately allow Trotz to move on. So, yeah, I believe the way ownership and the front office operates has big hand in why they've struggled to achieve more. They knew exactly what they were getting in Lavi, knew it would a short-term marriage of convenience so they've got nothing to complain about. They wanted to win that badly and were prepared for the longer-term fallout. That's the way it goes but when they so often struggle to build quality lasting relationships with coaches I think it says more about them. And a lot more about just how stubborn they've been over the years regarding some pretty flawed stars.

The average tenure of an NHL coach is 2.4 years.

Ovechkin is in his 18th season, and on his 7th coach, not 8th.

8x2.4=19.2.

19.2 vs 18

The short list of players who've gone through a lot of coaches, particularly with one team, is short because not many players are generational talents that stay with the same team and play for 20 years or more (avg NHL career is 4.5yrs).

 

[blindsideheadshot]

Protas up even with Craig Smith coming back in the deal. Wonder if we're ready to move a forward next.

 

[RedRocking]

Protas up even with Craig Smith coming back in the deal. Wonder if we're ready to move a forward next.

Gotta imagine Eller gets dealt soon. Probably Mojo too - who I think would be a sneaky good add to a team that needs depth scoring. He’s got plenty of playoff experience (was a warrior for the B’s 2019 SCF run), is having a good year, and is dirt cheap.

I’m kinda terrified that Lavi sees Smith as some great value add for the “playoff chase”, and immediately puts him in the top 6. I hope Protas gets back in the lineup the rest of the way.

 

[crazy8888]

Gotta imagine Eller gets dealt soon. Probably Mojo too - who I think would be a sneaky good add to a team that needs depth scoring. He’s got plenty of playoff experience (was a warrior for the B’s 2019 SCF run), is having a good year, and is dirt cheap.

I’m kinda terrified that Lavi sees Smith as some great value add for the “playoff chase”, and immediately puts him in the top 6. I hope Protas gets back in the lineup the rest of the way.

He really said they are chasing the playoffs?

 

[marcel snapshot]

It was washed when they lost Game 7 to Carolina.

Tortured myself the other day watching the highlights of that Game 7. They were up 2-0 and 3-1 in that game, showing the same confidence and swagger as they did in the prior Cup year. Holtby gave up a bizarre shorty when he failed to cover the puck, and then an inexcusable tying goal to J. Staal. Thad they won that series, I think they would have at least made the 3rd round and reinforced the playoff success of 2018. Instead, 4 straight 1st round losses

 

[Empty Goal Net]

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I’m kinda terrified that Lavi sees Smith as some great value add for the “playoff chase”, and immediately puts him in the top 6. I hope Protas gets back in the lineup the rest of the way.

Gotta be a tough decision for Coach L. Who plays RW opposite the greatest goal scorer of his generation ... Craig Smith or Nicholas Aubé-Kubel? What does the Magic 8 Ball say?

 

[WanderingCapsFan]

Gotta imagine Eller gets dealt soon. Probably Mojo too - who I think would be a sneaky good add to a team that needs depth scoring. He’s got plenty of playoff experience (was a warrior for the B’s 2019 SCF run), is having a good year, and is dirt cheap.

I’m kinda terrified that Lavi sees Smith as some great value add for the “playoff chase”, and immediately puts him in the top 6. I hope Protas gets back in the lineup the rest of the way.

Smith is 33 years young. Just Lavi's type.

 

[Calicaps]

It was washed when they lost Game 7 to Carolina and the nail in the coffin was the playoff loss against the Islanders during the COVID playoff waste of time. Even in their prime, they failed to show up for big games, especially Game 7s, however 2018 saved them a horrible playoff reputation. I'll agree Lavi was a better hire over Babcock, however not over Gallant.

Not sure I agree about the Game 7. That absolutely sucked; they should have won that series, but the loss was on Holtby (and a bit injuries). The Covid season was absurd and maybe it buried them, but even last year they had a legit chance to upset Florida and were undone largely by goaltending.

Moreover, they were solid playoff qualifiers each of those years (yes I know they were WC2 last year but with 100 points. Next best was 84.).

I don't disagree that some different roster decisions could and probably should have been made at times since the Cup run, but even last year they were still a functional, if not great, team.

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

I'd hope for Chychrun for Bos 1st, Caps 2nd, and one of AA or LuJo (they will want some D back).

Try and keep the young forwards out of this retool, as they are needed for it.

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

If the Avs really like Kuzy, I'd try for their 2023 & 2024 1st round picks...

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

I have to imagine given how much they suck they should be in the hunt for some of the top college UFAs.

If the Avs really like Kuzy, id try for their 2023 & 2024 1st round picks...

Where does it say they are interested?

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

Where does it say they are interested?

Speculation on this thread early this afternoon. I qualified with an "if"!

 

[pman25]

I'd hope for Chychrun for Bos 1st, Caps 2nd, and one of AA or LuJo (they will want some D back).

Try and keep the young forwards out of this retool, as they are needed for it.

AA, Lujo have no value. They’re waiver fodder.

I would offer one of Lapierre / McMichael and one of Chesley / Iorio. Centers and RHD are valuable prospects. Even then, I think they could probably do better

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

AA, Lujo have no value. They’re waiver fodder.

A GM's job is to sell waiver fodder as value. Some actually can and do.

 

[twabby]

How much more would Erik Karlsson cost in a trade vs. Jakob Chychrun? (Rhetorical question, I’m sure no one here knows for sure)

I think Chychrun is a good player but he’s not a future Norris winner. He’s not a guy that can single-handedly turn around a team’s offense. I just don’t know that he’s the guy Washington should be targeting when Karlsson is available. I think someone with a similar impact as Chychrun could be available much cheaper.

Yes Karlsson has had his injuries and yes his cap hit is much higher, but if they are looking for a quick retool then they have to consider a home run swing like Karlsson given the lack of impact talent on the rest of the roster.

 

[um]

Not sure I agree about the Game 7. That absolutely sucked; they should have won that series, but the loss was on Holtby (and a bit injuries). The Covid season was absurd and maybe it buried them, but even last year they had a legit chance to upset Florida and were undone largely by goaltending.

Moreover, they were solid playoff qualifiers each of those years (yes I know they were WC2 last year but with 100 points. Next best was 84.).

I don't disagree that some different roster decisions could and probably should have been made at times since the Cup run, but even last year they were still a functional, if not great, team.

My biggest issue over the last four years was our really bad goaltending.

I don’t agree that we’ve had garbage teams the last four years, the Caps just didn’t take care of its most important position. You cannot win unless you have good goaltending.

 

[Brian23]

How much more would Erik Karlsson cost in a trade vs. Jakob Chychrun? (Rhetorical question, I’m sure no one here knows for sure)

I think Chychrun is a good player but he’s not a future Norris winner. He’s not a guy that can single-handedly turn around a team’s offense. I just don’t know that he’s the guy Washington should be targeting when Karlsson is available. I think someone with a similar impact as Chychrun could be available much cheaper.

Yes Karlsson has had his injuries and yes his cap hit is much higher, but if they are looking for a quick retool then they have to consider a home run swing like Karlsson given the lack of impact talent on the rest of the roster.

You're talking 7.5 million and almost a decade in age difference.

No. More. Old. Men.