Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[SherVaughn30]

Rankings of assets left to move:
Jensen
Eller
Gus
Sheary
TvR
Mojo
Smith
NAK

Signed Pucks by OV

Irwin

 

[usiel]

Jensen mosdef the best asset left probably more than Orlov when it comes to recent play. I'm sure if he is traded Jason Doig will be brought back.

 

[Hivemind]

A lot of our core team played on champ teams in Hershey. I’m with Abro. Don’t bring them up for this dumpster fire. I would give Frank a look given his age and status we should have more money and contracts now.

I would rather have them playing competitive hockey together, then playing with a bunch of old veterans about to get traded or walking away unrestricted

That group was also getting called up during that time period.
Alzner played 30 NHL regular season games in 2009 and 21 regular season games for the Capitals in 2010, before being sent back to Hershey for each of their Calder Cups.
Carlson played 22 regular season games plus 7 playoff games for the Capitals in 2010 before returning to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Jay Beagle got 3 regular season games in 2009 and 7 regular season games in 2010 for the Capitals, before being sent back to Hershey for their Calder Cups.
Mathieu Perreault got 21 regular season games in 2010 before being sent back to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Boyd Gordon got 25 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Mike Green got 22 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Eric Fehr got 11 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Thomas Fleischmann got 14 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.

Getting young players some NHL time does not hurt their development. They can still get that winning environment during the Calder Cup run.

 

[Langway]

EDIT: Also, I really hope the room doesn't go toxic. The leadership has been through some very tough times together and not fallen apart as a group. I'm hopeful that they can and will recognize that a retool is needed and rally around the effort. TBD, but if they could survive 2017, I think they can survive this.

I don't know if it needs to go toxic per se. Sour is enough and it may quickly go there. It won't be as fun showing up to work with little expectation for success and little faith that solutions are forthcoming. In the short-term there's likely a lot of confusion as to direction with so much up in the air. Hard to imagine they'll be as tight. It'll just be a job (thanks Mantha!). You've got Ovechkin as a leader. Maybe Wilson. Who else? Vets like Backstrom & Oshie aren't capable of it on the ice so whatever wisdom they supply off of it doesn't hit home as much competitively. The components to win are lacking and without easier routes to wins they'll probably keep finding lots of ways to lose. If they're not even an 80 point team this season I don't know how they can expect to run it back next season with this core group and come close to competing for a playoff spot.

One thing that somewhat stands out in MacLellan not driving the hardest bargain exactly in the Boston trade is that it may be a signal that he intends to do a lot more business (in addition to moving out the rest of the pending UFAs). Maybe not. Maybe there aren't many takers or swap fits to execute non-rental trades in so little time. But I wonder with them being so ready to make that trade at this moment when they could have otherwise picked up a sorely needed win against Anaheim...does it not signal essentially being finished with this group? Who in this group is not declining and outperforming their contract? If the standard has suddenly evolved there's a great deal that deserves scrutiny.

Edit: Curiously, the potential for that sourness also could threaten the pursuit of 895 as well. One way or another they need to figure a way out of that beyond wishful thinking or unlimited patience. Hard to figure then that this will be a quiet reload. Too much else isn't functional.

 

[Peeri]

What a night they had. A loss to Mighty Ducks. Also got rid of our pretty much best assets for meh price. Well at least Ovechkin came back.

PS: Boston looking unstoppable now.

 

[RedRocking]

<moved> DELETE

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

If anyone watched Ovi’s post-game presser…..he is f***ing pissed. He was closer to Orlov than Kuzy and one might assume that they didn’t talk to him before making this trade. At least with Semin and Green, the contracts expired. We traded our best defender and best friend of the best goal-scorer ever. Whatever comes next, we absolutely deserve.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

If anyone watched Ovi’s post-game presser…..he is f***ing pissed. He was closer to Orlov than Kuzy and one might assume that they didn’t talk to him before making this trade. At least with Semin and Green, the contracts expired. We traded our best defender and best friend of the best goal-scorer ever. Whatever comes next, we absolutely deserve.

Orlovs fault dude. He was offered an extension that would have let him finish out the Ovie run. 3 years is fair if he wants to play on this team. And Ovies dad just died and he has to come back to this team. Of course hes pissed.

 

[Corby78]

If anyone watched Ovi’s post-game presser…..he is f***ing pissed. He was closer to Orlov than Kuzy and one might assume that they didn’t talk to him before making this trade. At least with Semin and Green, the contracts expired. We traded our best defender and best friend of the best goal-scorer ever. Whatever comes next, we absolutely deserve.

Seriously, what did you want them to do? Keep him just to lose him in the off-season? Everything they have done to date has been to keep a playoff team around Ovie and it eventually fell apart. I was expecting more in return but it’s hard to gauge the market when you aren’t listening to the phone calls. Boston may have been the only team interested.

If anyone on the team is pissed they are sellers they should have won more games this year

 

[Kuz]

If anyone watched Ovi’s post-game presser…..he is f***ing pissed. He was closer to Orlov than Kuzy and one might assume that they didn’t talk to him before making this trade. At least with Semin and Green, the contracts expired. We traded our best defender and best friend of the best goal-scorer ever. Whatever comes next, we absolutely deserve.

Understandable that he is pissed. When he went to Russia they where in the playoff hunt. Then he returns and the team have lost 4 game in a row without him and are sellers.

Still Ovi himself havent got a point in his last 5 games and was part of the two worst losses against Anaheim and San Jose.

But who knows they might have beaten Anaheim without the trade of Orlov+Hathaway and be tied with Florida. So Ovi probably felt they still had a chance.

Would like to see Orlov back next year if he signs a contract with acceptable length.

 

[usiel]

Not worried at Ovie at the Orlov/Pathaway trades. I'm sure he gets it. Now dressing journeyman players after that is pretty much on Lavi.

 

[YippieKaey]

Oh my god. Hathaway and Marchand on the same team.

So the last pick of 23 1st round, a second and a third plus a 33 year old and a no name prospect.

Pretty disappointing if you ask me.

 

[ovikovy817]

With the B's 1st we can go up maximum to #24.

 

[g00n]

Laviolette is really terrible. If we are tearing it down, what value can he possibly add?

Are you really asking this question?

Or just phrasing your infinite loop message in a different way?

 

[Misery74]

Are you really asking this question?

Or just phrasing your infinite loop message in a different way?

Ok. Answer the question then. He’s held back the youth since he’s been here. Now, since we are getting rid of the vets, why do we need this dinosaur?

What Laviolette wants, and what the team needs are heading in opposite directions.

Add to that, he deserves to be fired for the terrible job he has done here.

 

[g00n]

Ok. Answer the question then. He’s held back the youth since he’s been here. Now, since we are getting rid of the vets, why do we need this dinosaur?

What Laviolette wants, and what the team needs are heading in opposite directions.

Add to that, he deserves to be fired for the terrible job he has done here.

Because he's playing out his contract and you don't want to go through all the shit of having an interim coach, or launching a permanent coaching search when the season is almost over and all you're doing is selling off UFAs. Why put another coach through all that?

And if he sucks so bad why wouldn't you want him driving the Tank?

He may not get a new contract in the offseason. The Caps FO are not going to tip their hand about that now.

So calling for him to be fired is pointless.

 

[Misery74]

Because he's playing out his contract and you don't want to go through all the shit of having an interim coach, or launching a permanent coaching search when the season is almost over and all you're doing is selling off UFAs. Why put another coach through all that?

And if he sucks so bad why wouldn't you want him driving the Tank?

He may not get a new contract in the offseason. The Caps FO are not going to tip their hand about that now.

So calling for him to be fired is pointless.

We are playing for next year now. We need to see if kids from Hershey can contribute next year in a meaningful way. Laviolette is standing in the way of this. As it sits now, their minutes are being eaten by Laviolettes plugs

I would argue it’s irresponsible to go through this sell off and leave him in place.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

That group was also getting called up during that time period.
Alzner played 30 NHL regular season games in 2009 and 21 regular season games for the Capitals in 2010, before being sent back to Hershey for each of their Calder Cups.
Carlson played 22 regular season games plus 7 playoff games for the Capitals in 2010 before returning to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Jay Beagle got 3 regular season games in 2009 and 7 regular season games in 2010 for the Capitals, before being sent back to Hershey for their Calder Cups.
Mathieu Perreault got 21 regular season games in 2010 before being sent back to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Boyd Gordon got 25 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Mike Green got 22 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Eric Fehr got 11 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.
Thomas Fleischmann got 14 regular season games in 2006 before being returned to Hershey for that Calder Cup run.

Getting young players some NHL time does not hurt their development. They can still get that winning environment during the Calder Cup run.

I think the situations are a bit different but these good counterpoints. Still, I default to doing whatever is best for the player. If a player is struggling in Hershey I'm not sure playing him in the NHL is the best decision. And does it really make sense to bring back CMM to play under Lavi? We've seen how well that's gone and what it did to McMike's confidence... it's taken most of the season in Hershey to get him back on track.

And, just to play Devil's Advocate, are the vets in the room going to want a bunch of young guys getting called up? Is Lavi? I'm sure they see the writing on the wall in terms of where the team is going but I also wouldn't doubt internally the message in the room is that they're only a three or four game run away from being right back in a playoff spot. And some of these guys are playing for their next contract, I don't know that they're going to want to play the role of babysitter and mentor at the same time.

 

[g00n]

We are playing for next year now. We need to see if kids from Hershey can contribute next year in a meaningful way. Laviolette is standing in the way of this. As it sits now, their minutes are being eaten by Laviolettes plugs

I would argue it’s irresponsible to go through this sell off and leave him in place.

Do you have evidence that Lavi is preventing AHL call-ups? Or that the "plugs" were selected by him?

 

[Misery74]

Do you have evidence that Lavi is preventing AHL call-ups? Or that the "plugs" were selected by him?

Yes. Two years worth.

 

[Chimaera]

Ovechkin has a right to be upset. It's another year he won't win a Cup. I would be surprised if he wasn't. But at the end of the day, he will get it.

 

[Empty Goal Net]

Trying to figure out what some see as a meager return for Orlov & Hath ... is it possible that #9 plans on re-signing here and the trade to Bsn in some way lessened the short-term disruption in his life? Stayed on the East Coast, not sent across the country to LA or elsewhere. I don't know his personal situation (wife/kids), but Cap Friendly showed him with a modified NTC. Maybe a nod and a wink with an agreement to talk again in late June, despite his agent reportedly saying he was unaware this might happen.

 

[swansonsays]

I agree with leaving the young guys in Hershey. This is not the team, coach, or season to give anyone a 20 game try out. It's a recipe for failure. As mentioned, the team / room is probably not a great environment due to the "wheels falling off" recently. The coach is a lame duck who has a reputation (rightly or wrongly, among fans at least) for preferring veterans to a fault. The season is lost and at some point things will most likely go to a "run out the clock" mentality in that room. Why take any young player from a successful team, with teammates who have bonded over a season, and then insert them into the DC mess?

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Ovechkin has a right to be upset. It's another year he won't win a Cup. I would be surprised if he wasn't. But at the end of the day, he will get it.

He should be upset but he should be upset at his teammates, not management. He leaves for a death in the family and the team doesn’t even get a point in the four or five games he missed during their most important stretch of the year. That’s pathetic for a team with this many established veteran players. The depth players have more than done their fair share to help the team win. If anything he should be having a meeting with Kuznetsov, Backstrom, and Oshie telling them if they don’t get their shit together they won’t be in the playoffs for the rest of their contracts.

GMBM is doing his job now because the players didn’t do theirs this season. Plain and simple. If they were winning I have no doubt he’d have brought in reinforcements to help them push in the playoffs. He’s been more than patient with them, he brought in a coach a few years ago who has won at every place he’s been to, and he told them point blank if you don’t perform this year I have no choice but to make changes. The injuries were bad luck but generally this is 100% on the guys in the locker room, specifically the guys who make the most coin.

The people who need to do the most looking in the mirror this summer and who deserve the most scrutiny are the guys whose jerseys everyone has.

 

[trick9]

Trying to figure out what some see as a meager return for Orlov & Hath ... is it possible that #9 plans on re-signing here and the trade to Bsn in some way lessened the short-term disruption in his life? Stayed on the East Coast, not sent across the country to LA or elsewhere. I don't know his personal situation (wife/kids), but Cap Friendly showed him with a modified NTC. Maybe a nod and a wink with an agreement to talk again in late June, despite his agent reportedly saying he was unaware this might happen.

To me everything points there that we will have good chance to bring them back.

Bruins can't keep Orlov. The fact that there aren't even any conditional picks in the deal for that case leads me to believe that GMBM knows this already. I think they both parted on good terms and were likely traded to their preferred destination.