Was this an argument people actually used? Cause he's the same player he was in Detroit. Which, is really good, but still, same dude.
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twabby
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Yes people made an argument similar to this. Wild times!
That's bizarre. If anyone could've used a mentor it would've been Siegenthaler, but he'd need to be on the ice for that. Also, I know everyone hates Mantha, but why is a left handed right wing playing on his off side consistently? He's not even sorta being put in a position to succeed.
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I think the decision on Nick Jensen will be the most interesting one if they do decide to become sellers. He doesn’t have a lot of NHL miles on him and no real injury history to speak of. I could see him continuing to be effective for years to come.
I want to see the contract projection when it comes out on Evolving Hockey but I have to imagine Jensen’s AAV will be sub-$4.5 million. Last season they would have had him projected at 3 x $3.4 million, though I imagine that might be a bit higher now.
I also don’t know that he’s got the name value that Orlov has around the league despite being an equal overall player, at least as measured by GAR/xGAR. If Jensen isn’t going to get at least a first round pick value at the TDL then I think re-signing him probably makes the most sense.
To me I think Orlov is a much better candidate to sell, as much as I’d miss him as his OG fanboy. More miles, coming off a concerning LBI, bigger trade return, bigger demand on his next contract.
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If I had to guess, the fear is that Jensen's drop off might be pretty significant as he ages. His game is predicated on his skating ability.
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Granted this is probably bullsh*t speculation but IF it were true...what the hell are the Caps thinking?
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How would Toews have been attractive to them? Were they like, "Damn, we don't have enough players on the wrong side of 30 and who are often injured." That actually scares me.
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How would Toews have been attractive to them? Were they like, "Damn, we don't have enough players on the wrong side of 30 and who are often injured." That actually scares me.
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Granted this is probably bullsh*t speculation but IF it were true...what the hell are the Caps thinking?
Trade Watch List 2023 — The Fourth Period
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How would Toews have been attractive to them? Were they like, "Damn, we don't have enough players on the wrong side of 30 and who are often injured." That actually scares me.
We neede him ten years ago, certainly not now.
if that's where we're at than these next 5-6 years are gonna be painful. Maybe longer.
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Exactly - if Ovie can't see how bad this team currently is then I am not sure he should be allowed to have any kind of say in how the roster is constructed going forward. His job is to score goals. He's not a GM. Unfortunately we all know that he has Ted's ear and this is less than ideal.
Players should never have any say in roster construction other than "I'm the captain and everyone in the locker room hates this dude to the point where we can't coexist."
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To me the best way to help Ovie is get as many fast paced offensive minded guys and start playing 6-5 games. keep guys like Milano, tell Kuzy to have fun and don’t worry about defense, sign guys like Franks, and bring back the pre-oats style of play.
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Senators do have very good player in Josh Norris aswell who suffered a season-ending injury early in the season.
As for Ovechkin, i don't think Ovechkin minds too much if we cut some fat off the roster. He's been part of this team for this and last season. He knows that the team has been playing better when few veterans are out of the line-up and they were forced to inject some youth into the line-up.
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I think we are assuming a lot of what Ovi would say. I think he is more rationale than people think .
Ovi would probably be upset if Bäckström was traded, buddies and teammates for +15 years. And maybe Carlson aswell. Both understandable. Otherwise i think he knows what's up. Pretty sure he finds Kuzys attitude lacking even if they are good friends.
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Backstrom and Carlson would have helped this time so much with they went in long term injury / retire for good but I don’t think they will give Ted the money back.
Espescially Backstrom. Carlson was quite good before he got hurt. Problem with him he usually gets injured 10-20 games then comes back and plays 20+ bad games then he starts playing well again and the last few years he have been either a little injured or out of gas in the playoffs. He is an asset in shape, but since he is so often injured LTIR retirement woul be good for the team.
What to do with Mantha... I wouldnt want to trade him at the lowest possible value. And if Laviolette is out for next season maybe that can give him sort of an much needed exchange of scenery.
But if we really want to try something, how about Mantha for Schmidt hockey trade?
Jets looking for offensive help and Schmidt doesnt seem to be in their top4 anymore. Would give us some help for missing Carlson, and possible make it easier to trade Orlov or Jensen for high value if we decide to go the agressively-sell route...
Cant see us being agressive on any direction though. Hard to think they would give up on the playoffs-battle as long as there is any sort of an chance to make it. But hard to think they would bank up any future pieces on making it either.
But if we really want to try something, how about Mantha for Schmidt hockey trade?
Jets looking for offensive help and Schmidt doesnt seem to be in their top4 anymore. Would give us some help for missing Carlson, and possible make it easier to trade Orlov or Jensen for high value if we decide to go the agressively-sell route...
Cant see us being agressive on any direction though. Hard to think they would give up on the playoffs-battle as long as there is any sort of an chance to make it. But hard to think they would bank up any future pieces on making it either.
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That was my first thought as well. And I've had that thought for awhile. If you want to bring back the pre Oates style of play, who better than the pre Oates coach. I'm sure it will never happen, but it's fun to think about.
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Schmidt seems to be cooked he kind of lost a lot of his flash and speed after testing positive for steroids and getting a bag of money.
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Schmidt is toast. Signed for longer than Mantha too, hard pass.
I don't see the point in selling low on Mantha. He is only signed for next season and there is always an chance for improvement if they bring in an offensive coach for next season. He'll score some points if you force-feed offensive zone starts, PP time and good line-mates to him and you he'll actually return something at the TDL year from now.
I don't see the point in selling low on Mantha. He is only signed for next season and there is always an chance for improvement if they bring in an offensive coach for next season. He'll score some points if you force-feed offensive zone starts, PP time and good line-mates to him and you he'll actually return something at the TDL year from now.
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See this is where I’m not sure. I generally agree this might be an issue but again, with no real injuries to speak of and not a lot of miles does that push back Jensen’s projected decline? They’ll have to make a good judgment call on this if they decide to re-sign him.
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Caps need to make this happen. Shut down Carlson for his own good. Add Karlsson for insta-offense. Outside of Meier--and I think even that's debatable in the short-term--this is the biggest impact move possible. Perhaps for some time. If the future is an afterthought the next few years, what better option is likely to come along? They could in theory be patient and save up cap space for an ideal younger fit but I think we all know they'll just blow it on whatever happens to be available that helps.
While they need impact forwards I'm not sure their style of play is all that conducive to maximizing them. An off-season coaching change could lead to some evolutionary tweaks but with a core group so seemingly set in their ways you wonder how versatile they're capable of playing. Hence, insta-offense from the back-end and someone that offers to play a lot more minutes. With Carlson at least somewhat in doubt to return and be his old self there's probably not going to be a better solution. At the very least knocking Carlson down to the second pair is very likely to be needed (as we've seen repeatedly in higher intensity games).
As much as I've harped on how essential Orlov & Jensen are in the near-term this is probably a bubble team for the foreseeable future as-is even with them. Without them how much worse does it get? They're both part of the solution but when you're in that bubble territory everything needs to shift toward seeking high impact solutions. You're not going to do any better than adding a Norris level defenseman at the deadline. That really never happens so it's an exceedingly rare opportunity they should find a way to make happen.
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I would be open to the idea but it would mean both of Jensen and Orlov cant not be extended under the salary cap. And we would have to trade most our picks and CMM and Jimmi and i dont see how thats the best idea for a punchers chance vs Boston or the Canes in 7 games.
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