Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 1: Free Agent Edition

[hockeykicker]

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[Jags]

I don't like the sound of any of that shit. We need to punt on Eller. No, McMichael shouldn't just be gifted that spot in the lineup, but there's no question that the best place to develop him at this point is in the NHL as a center. Tying up 3.5m in cap space for insurance at the position is unnecessary. In this particular situation, it's time to bet on youth and move on.

 

[zappa4ever]

Agree with every thing GMBM said
esp. that he's not "giving" spot to McMic and that LuJo has oppty to claim 3rd pair spot

All we can hope for is that everyone's going to train hard and work hard this summer for the upcoming season

 

[Misery74]

Agree with every thing GMBM said
esp. that he's not "giving" spot to McMic and that LuJo has oppty to claim 3rd pair spot

All we can hope for is that everyone's going to train hard and work hard this summer for the upcoming season

The problem is the coach. He plays the vets, to the detriment of the team.

 

[zappa4ever]

The problem is the coach. He plays the vets, to the detriment of the team.

meh, true to a degree, but I'd rather have a Vet coach like Lavi than the last 20 years of Caps coaches (minus Trotz) -- Shiny Ted sure liked his Rookie coaches for years and years

most teams play their youth b/c either:
1) the team sucks and is oot of the playoffs
2) the team has tons of injuries and youth gets in by necessity (see Caps last season)
3) x number of youths actually have star-potential (which the Caps don't have) and deserve to crack a good lineup

 

[twabby]

It’s also a bit short-sighted because guys like McMichael are going to see significant improvements on average while guys like Eller and Johansson aren’t going to get any better on average.

So even if Eller holds a slight edge over McMichael right now (he doesn’t IMO but for the sake of argument), is it really worth it to keep playing Eller rather than continuing to let McMichael improve and get acclimated to the NHL game?

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[BackToTheBasics]

Watching the interview, it doesn't sound like Strome is set at center. GMBM suggests that he could play anywhere in the lineup whether it be center or left wing. If CMM shows out in camp, he could potentially still center the 2nd line with Strome playing on his left wing or with Eller.

A lineup like this could be interesting:

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Brown
Strome - CMM - Mantha
Sheary - Eller - Oshie
Mojo/AJF/Snively - Dowd - Hathaway

 

[Roshi]

More depth.

LTIR-move? They want to add as much to the LTIR-pool as possible. They will send guys down after pool activates.

I like the message BM sends. ”developement curve” or whatever shouldnt go before team advantage when in win-now mode. You stack up and play the best guys. As long as its fair game its all cool, win the spot and its yours.

CMM wants to have Ellers spot? You know what to do. Anything he said doesnt take any chance out of the young guys to deserve their chances, just saying it wont come for free.

 

[pman25]

We've also seen Eller shift to wing last year so he could play with Dowd/Hath as the trusted 4th line. Sheary also looked good in brief moments with those two as well. I don't think they have to move Eller for us to see McMichael at C

 

[usiel]

That's cool I've also done martial arts along with hockey and at 41 I'm really starting to feel age now lol. I assume then that you did Japanese jiujitsu (closer to Judo) and not Brazilian JJ

Hopefully mods will be lenient with OT stuff since its July...

Yep was Danzan Ryu Jujitsu. I mean this was early 90s that was back when the UFC was just starting out and though appreciated what Gracie did in the ring it was never practical in the 'real world' which I found really annoying but I was hyper focused and spent a few years trying to figure out what made the most sense for me. The great practical jujitsu techniquees (of course there are some esoteric techniques that would have no street value which I thing most old MAs possess). I love that jujitsu I was taking was all about fight ending as fast and easy as possible which I appreciated. Sure didn't like spar like the Judo peeps would do and they'll always be better at the throws but they had no finishing techniques and not talking the sport finishing BS.

The one MA I've always wanted the opportunity was the flipino knife fighting stuff as for some reason always had a natural skill with that weapon work. I remember my sensei back then kinda giving me the side eye when we did knife work (naturally mostly defensive) and observed the affinity.

Back on hockey. Looking forward to Rookie Camp/Training Camp...already less than two months to go.

 

[Jags]

CMM wants to have Ellers spot? You know what to do. Anything he said doesnt take any chance out of the young guys to deserve their chances, just saying it wont come for free.

I would typically agree with that, but in this case it means we're keeping Eller when we shouldn't. It's a 3.5m hit we don't need, a spot in the lineup to develop young talent, and just plain time to move on. We stand to gain way more by watching McMike improve than watching Eller wane.

You want McMichael competing with someone in camp? Great. Go get someone else, or maybe one of the other kids will push him. But if I'm being honest, I'd rather just have the cap space than to keep boxing out our young players.

 

[Cappy76]

CMM thrived when moved to C in limited minutes because Lavi gonna Lavi while Eller was out. When Eller came back CMM went back to wing and minimal minutes. If Eller is on the roster Lavi is going to have him playing over CMM that to me is worrisome.

 

[Roshi]

I would typically agree with that, but in this case it means we're keeping Eller when we shouldn't. It's a 3.5m hit we don't need, a spot in the lineup to develop young talent, and just plain time to move on. We stand to gain way more by watching McMike improve than watching Eller wane.

You want McMichael competing with someone in camp? Great. Go get someone else, or maybe one of the other kids will push him. But if I'm being honest, I'd rather just have the cap space than to keep boxing out our young players.

He has Strome and Eller to compete for 2/3C and bunch of wingers to compete for top9W spot.

And eventually, if Eller loses his job he is likely traded. I dont mind using the cap elsewhere. Just let CMM win that spot before it happens and force the trigger, as we do have the cap space for now.

 

[JohnCarlsaurus]

Yep was Danzan Ryu Jujitsu. I mean this was early 90s that was back when the UFC was just starting out and though appreciated what Gracie did in the ring it was never practical in the 'real world' which I found really annoying but I was hyper focused and spent a few years trying to figure out what made the most sense for me. The great practical jujitsu techniquees (of course there are some esoteric techniques that would have no street value which I thing most old MAs possess). I love that jujitsu I was taking was all about fight ending as fast and easy as possible which I appreciated. Sure didn't like spar like the Judo peeps would do and they'll always be better at the throws but they had no finishing techniques and not talking the sport finishing BS.

The one MA I've always wanted the opportunity was the flipino knife fighting stuff as for some reason always had a natural skill with that weapon work. I remember my sensei back then kinda giving me the side eye when we did knife work (naturally mostly defensive) and observed the affinity.

Back on hockey. Looking forward to Rookie Camp/Training Camp...already less than two months to go.

I briefly studied Judo and noticed the lack of finishing techniques. A style I studied called Tuk Gong moo sul sounds similar to what you're talking about. It's a a slightly watered down version of what they practice in the Korean military. Similar to Judo but with strikes and weapons (mostly knives).

I learned a little of bit of one the Filipino knife fighting MA (I believe it was Kali) from a couple friends. It was cool but I never got too into it.

Anyway...

Ugh, late July is the worst part of the offseason. Those 2 months always seem like they take forever lol

 

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[Holtbyisms]

Like I said before free agency and the draft....if GMBM is as straight of a shooter as you all like to believe he'd be a freaking idiot. "Yeah McMichael and Strome will slot in at center, not sure what to do with Lars Eller, we'll probably trade him." Does that sound like a good way to maximize his trade value?

 

[BobRouse]

People who say that McMichael should be in and Eller traded are smoking crack.

If you want that then you want Dowd playing half the game because the other 3 don’t play great D and can’t take Dzone face offs consistently without disastrous results.

Eller is prime to have a bounce back season on a contract year. No need to rush McMichael.

 

[Holtbyisms]

People who say that McMichael should be in and Eller traded are smoking crack.

If you want that then you want Dowd playing half the game because the other 3 don’t play great D and can’t take Dzone face offs consistently without disastrous results.

Eller is prime to have a bounce back season on a contract year. No need to rush McMichael.

Strome can't play D worth a crap but he is probably the 2nd best faceoff guy on the team now behind Dowd. If they insulate him with Oshie/Brown he could probably handle d-zone draws.

 

[BobRouse]

Strome has to be sheltered imo and will be by Lavi (and Trotz were he still here) He should not be taking Dzone draws. Winning those face offs in the ozone is a good idea tho bc that’s where he is good.

Strome has to be sheltered imo and will be by Lavi (and Trotz were he still here) He should not be taking Dzone draws. Winning those face offs in the ozone is a good idea tho bc that’s where he is good.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Give me Tkachuk, please and thank you. I’d move a lot for that player.

 

[895]

Tkachuk has his destination in mind already. He won't sign here.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

“This isn’t a developmental league”…….

It’s also a bit short-sighted because guys like McMichael are going to see significant improvements on average while guys like Eller and Johansson aren’t going to get any better on average.

So even if Eller holds a slight edge over McMichael right now (he doesn’t IMO but for the sake of argument), is it really worth it to keep playing Eller rather than continuing to let McMichael improve and get acclimated to the NHL game?

It is if you‘re trying to ice the most competitive team you can and the coaches decision doesn’t go his way. It’s up to CMM to earn his spot.