francaisvolantsparis
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I should have a key to some of their secrets, if they are so negative toward everything I say. Seriously, I cannot even say 1+1=2 without them starting a fight.
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Drunk opinion + not real fans = worth taking issue with.
There’s an old saying, if you look around the room and see nothing but assholes, you’re probably the asshole.
now, if you can debate civilly instead of asking people if they understand all of the time, maybe hurl less direct insults, maybe we can get back to hockey?
There’s an old saying, if you look around the room and see nothing but assholes, you’re probably the asshole.
now, if you can debate civilly instead of asking people if they understand all of the time, maybe hurl less direct insults, maybe we can get back to hockey?
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That's only how drafting works when you get to reload your save file.
Skrudland2Lomakin
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I don’t have an issue with your takes, but it’s that lack of actual substance behind them.
it’s not 1+1=2, it’s “The Capitals did 1+1=2, so by that we can assume everyone else in the league was doing advanced trigonometry.”
and then when pressed for some rationale you just move on.
I also think we're kidding ourselves here if we're going to act like you don't know what you're doing. You slide inflammatory statements into things and act like it's a shocker when people bite.
In a conversation regarding our top 6 you're just going to slide that Boyd is better than Backstrom. In a convo regarding the best players on the team you're just going drop Panik in there.
It's okay to actually believe these things, but to act like you're shocked when people bite on it? Come on...
And so when inevitably someone bites you then start to really bolster down and if the debate takes a turn you resort to "troll", drunk, "Holtby's mom", not a real fan, or condescending statements like "Do you understand this?"
I think it's quite possible that you've arrived at this point unintentionally, but I think it's a farce if anyone tries to make you out to being someone who is being picked on.
it’s not 1+1=2, it’s “The Capitals did 1+1=2, so by that we can assume everyone else in the league was doing advanced trigonometry.”
and then when pressed for some rationale you just move on.
I also think we're kidding ourselves here if we're going to act like you don't know what you're doing. You slide inflammatory statements into things and act like it's a shocker when people bite.
In a conversation regarding our top 6 you're just going to slide that Boyd is better than Backstrom. In a convo regarding the best players on the team you're just going drop Panik in there.
It's okay to actually believe these things, but to act like you're shocked when people bite on it? Come on...
And so when inevitably someone bites you then start to really bolster down and if the debate takes a turn you resort to "troll", drunk, "Holtby's mom", not a real fan, or condescending statements like "Do you understand this?"
I think it's quite possible that you've arrived at this point unintentionally, but I think it's a farce if anyone tries to make you out to being someone who is being picked on.
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I think if we had won only one more Cup I would feel this way. Lots of teams have gone on a run and won one - Carolina, Colorado, Anaheim, Tampa, Dallas, etc. - but if you win two cups, you really move up in the NHL franchise echelon. Winning twice puts you in another category.
Skrudland2Lomakin
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I mean, I'm by no means satisfied with our playoff performances, but I think it's a tough tale to spin that those are directly related to drafting, especially after some many of them came in seasons where we were dominant all year.
txpd
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The 3 wasted President's Trophy teams would indicate that the team was as good as they were going to get. From their 1st playoff season of the Ovechkin era to present the Caps have the best record in the league. Its hard to ask for a better team. Its not realistic.
francaisvolantsparis
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I do not 'slide' inflammatory statements. I believe everything I say. If you are offended by something, try to find why it offends you? The problem is you are offended be anything different from your point of view. It is caricatural at this point. You cannot accept a different point of view. You accuse me of this or that, but the truth is that you accuse me of what you do yourself, and not me. I never look for a fight, I am always happy to end useless conversations.
francaisvolantsparis
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If you cannot imagine a better team, doesn't mean someone else cannot. I can Imagine us dominating the League with multiple Cups.
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tenken00
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Fever is planning to play overseas until the NHL season starts back up.
Martin Fehervary Discusses the Playoffs, Plans To Play In Europe Prior To The Start of The Next NHL Season and Fishing During Quarantine
If he feels like he doesn't needs time off thats fine by me since he's still got young legs.
We all know Protas is loaned to the KHL with his home country Belarus' Dimano Minsk.
I think loaning Alexeyev to the KHL for at least until the AHL season begins might be good for him. Hes been over in North America since such a young age. Give him a chance to play at home for a little bit. AJF too.
VV I want here to be working with whoever is the new goalies coach here with the new coaching staff though.
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Skrudland2Lomakin
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Again, I don't think anyone is offended. But if you're wondering why people seem to have less patience with you it's more of the "drunk", "Holtby's mom", "toxic", "troll", "Do you understand?" etc. and less of your takes.
We've heard a lot of wild takes, most of the posters have been here for a very long time, that's not why people continue to prod at you. The thing that's creating this dynamic is what happens after you offer your opinion, the personal attacks, reluctance to provide follow up information, the condescension, etc.
hb13xchamps
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Going back to just teams in our division's 1st round draft choices between 2002-2006:
Carolina
2002: Cam Ward (1st rounder, #25 overall)
2003: Eric Staal (2nd overall)
2004: Andrew Ladd (4th overall) - Ladd played less than 150 games before being shipped out
2005: Jack Johnson (3rd overall) - Jack Johnson never played a game for the organization
2006: No first rounder
Carolina was solid at identifying talent, but moved on early from 2 of their draft choices. Ladd at 4th overall also isn't great value. 2/4 hits for me considering Johnson at 3rd overall and Ladd at 4th wouldn't happen again in a redraft
Columbus
2002: Rick Nash (1st overall)
2003: Nikolai Zherdev (4th overall)
2004: Alexandre Picard (8th overall)
2005: Gilbert Brule (6th overall)
2006: Derek Brassard (6th overall)
1/5 or 2/5 depending on your feelings for Brassard. So pretty bad picks there
New Jersey
2002: No first rounder
2003: Zach Parise (17th overall)
2004: Travis Zajac (2oth overall)
2005: Niclas Bergfors (23rd overall)
2006: Matt Corrente (30th overall)
2/4 depending on how you view Travis Zajac.
NYI
2002: Sean Bergenheim (22nd overall)
2003: Robert Nilsson (15th overall)
2004: Petteri Nokelainen (16th overall)
2005: Ryan O'Mara (15th overall)
2006: Kyle Okposo (7th overall)
1/5. Okposo at 7th overall could be argued as being bad value though. Bergenheim had a decent career but wasn't more than a 3rd or 4th liner.
NYR
2002: None
2003: Hugh Jessiman (12th overall)
2004: Al Montoya (6th overall), Lauri Korpikoski (19th overall)
2005: Marc Staal (12th overall)
2006: Bobby Sanguinetti (21st overall)
1/5. Staal is the only good get. The rest are pretty bad overall
Philadelphia
2002: Joni Pitkanen (4th overall)
2003: Jeff Carter (11th overall), Mike Richards (24th overall)
2004: None
2005: Steve Downie (29th overall)
2006: Claude Giroux (22nd overall)
I'd say 3/5. The 2003 draft for sure saved them. Pitkanen's career will always be a what if considering all of his injuries.
Pittsburgh
2002: Ryan Whitney (5th overall)
2003: Fleury (1st overall)
2004: Malkin (2nd overall)
2005: Crosby (1st overall)
2006: Jordan Staal (2nd overall)
Top 5 picks every year. I'd give them 3/5 hits. Whitney wouldn't be a 5th overall pick if you redrafted the 2002 draft. Best thing he did was give them Chris Kunitz. You could maybe argue Fleury at 1st overall over Eric Staal could have been a miss. Staal/Malkin/Crosby back to back to back years would have been insane. Jordan Staal is a miss for me considering Toews, Backstrom and Kessel were drafted directly after him.
Washington over that span went 5 (Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Green, Varlamov) for 10 over the course of those drafts judging by your logic of busts but they still had Eminger, Fehr and Gordon with 10+ NHL seasons over that span. That means that only Pittsburgh and Philadelphia had better success over those years but Pittsburgh also had all top 5 picks.
francaisvolantsparis
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Now you talk in behalf of everyone. You see what I say? You cannot imagine others have different point of view. You know why you do not accept the "do you understand?"? You do not what to understand or see something.
Skrudland2Lomakin
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francaisvolantsparis
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What team do you think wasted completely five or more first round picks in four years or less?
tenken00
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Yep, at that time, Leonsis was still a brand-spanking-new owner coming over an ownership change from Abe Pollin. The Caps as an organization was still figuring things out, as Ovies Wodka pointed out with the Jagr fail trade.
You can point blame to them for mistakes at team building during that time, yes. But they were learning the ropes still to be the organization they are now.
Hell, everything was different. I remember Ted Leonsis choking and throwing a fan to the ground during those early times. But again, you have to make mistakes in order to grow. As a player, as a team, and as a front office.
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@francaisvolantsparis, what exactly are you trying to argue here? Sure, the Caps have made bad draft picks, but so has every other team in the league. Like others have stated, the draft is a crap shoot. How many times have we seen 1st overall picks be busts? How many times have we seen late round picks blossom into star players? So yeah, if management had made better picks in the draft, the Capitals could have been a dynasty, but you could say the exact same thing about almost every team in the league.
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Can you provide examples of other teams that have done this in the salary cap era? Maybe the Pens and Hawks but how many of their players on those Cup teams were home grown? Plus the Pens had a ridiculous run of top 5 picks, while the Hawks used salary cap loopholes to stock their roster.
hb13xchamps
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What team had that many f***ing first round picks? We were 5/10 by your logic. That’s 50% success rate. Only two teams in our own division drafted better.
Again, your hot take was dumb and now your moving the goal posts to support your argument. It’s stupid
francaisvolantsparis
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| 2006 | |||
| #4 | Washington Capitals | Nicklas Bäckström (F) | ok |
| #23 | Washington Capitals | Semyon Varlamov (G) | homerun |
| #34 | Washington Capitals | Michal Neuvirth (G) | ok |
| #177 | Washington Capitals | Mathieu Perreault (F) | homerun |
| 2007 | |||
| #5 | Washington Capitals | Karl Alzner (D) | ok |
| 2008 | |||
| #21 | Washington Capitals | Anton Gustafsson (F) | waste |
| #27 | Washington Capitals | John Carlson (D) | homerun |
| #93 | Washington Capitals | Braden Holtby (G) | homerun |
| 2009 | |||
| #24 | Washington Capitals | Marcus Johansson (F) | homerun |
| #55 | Washington Capitals | Dmitri Orlov (D) | homerun |
| #85 | Washington Capitals | Cody Eakin (F) | homerun |
| 2010 | |||
| #26 | Washington Capitals | Yevgeni Kuznetsov (F) | homerun |
| #112 | Washington Capitals | Philipp Grubauer (G) | homerun |
| 2011 | |||
| #177 | Washington Capitals | Travis Boyd (F) | homerun |
| 2012 | |||
| #11 | Washington Capitals | Filip Forsberg (F) | homerun |
| #16 | Washington Capitals | Tom Wilson (F) | homerun |
| #77 | Washington Capitals | Chandler Stephenson (F) | homerun |
| #137 | Washington Capitals | Connor Carrick (D) | homerun |
| #195 | Washington Capitals | Christian Djoos (D) | homerun |
| 2013 | |||
| #23 | Washington Capitals | André Burakovsky (F) | homerun |
| #53 | Washington Capitals | Madison Bowey (D) | homerun |
| #61 | Washington Capitals | Zach Sanford (F) | homerun |
| 2014 | |||
| #13 | Washington Capitals | Jakub Vrána (F) | homerun |
| 2015 | |||
| #22 | Washington Capitals | Ilya Samsonov (G) | homerun |
| #57 | Washington Capitals | Jonas Siegenthaler (D) | ok |
| 2016 | |||
| #28 | Washington Capitals | Lucas Johansen (D) | waste |
| 2018 | |||
| #31 | Washington Capitals | Alexander Alexeyev (D) | ok |
| #46 | Washington Capitals | Martin Fehérváry (D) | homerun |
| 2019 | |||
| #25 | Washington Capitals | Connor McMichael (F) | homerun |
| #91 | Washington Capitals | Alexei Protas (F) | homerun |
In 14 years we wasted only 2 1st round picks. In four important rebuild years we wasted six.
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