Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 1

[Barry Amsterdam]

Imagine we draft..

Trevor Daley, D
Matt Stajan, C
David Backes, RW
Andrej Sekera, D
Keith Yandle, D
Justin Abdelkader, D

and not..

#12 Steve Eminger (D) in 2002
#17 Boyd Gordon (F) in 2002
#18 Eric Fehr (F) in 2003
#27 Jeff Schultz (D) in 2004
#14 Sasha Pokulok (D) in 2005
#27 Joe Finley (D) in 2005

We spoiled the first and the brightest part of Ovechkin career by the terrible decision making in 2002-2005 Drafts.

Since 2006 by some magic, our Draft choices are consistently excellent..

Don’t think abdelkader me a defenseman

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

BREAKING news, folks!

what is

 

[895]

I'm not even following what this argument is about. We would be a better team if we drafted better? No shit.

 

[hb13xchamps]

I'm not even following what this argument is about. We would be a better team if we drafted better? No shit.

Just more posts and hot takes to stir the pot.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

I'm not even following what this argument is about. We would be a better team if we drafted better? No shit.

You got 50% of the idea. The second half is even easier: we did extremly bad in that rebuild years.

 

[hb13xchamps]

Back to actual present hockey talk. Wonder if any of our European guys are going to be loaned overseas to start the year?

 

[txpd]

Back to actual present hockey talk. Wonder if any of our European guys are going to be loaned overseas to start the year?

You would think so. I would have to guess that minor league sports remain unlikely in the US at this point

 

[VaCaps Fan]

GMFVP is giving GMBM a run for his money...

 

[RandyHolt]

All can rest assured only caps fans are here after a first round choke job.

 

[Bieronymus Trotz]

I'm not even following what this argument is about. We would be a better team if we drafted better? No shit.

Part of it is like the Forsberg argument that gets repeated here often: whether drafting Eminger was good because it eventually happened to help land the pick to draft Carlson. I would say no.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Part of it is like the Forsberg argument that gets repeated here often: whether drafting Eminger was good because it eventually happened to help land the pick to draft Carlson. I would say no.

Carlson was drafted after 2006. We were good at drafting after 2006. Eminger was not traded for Carlson. Only a fool GM would do that for Emingers' value. Eminger was traded for a #27 draft pick. I talk about 2002/06 four years.

Losing Forsberg is not nearly as bad as the Rebuild Draft Bust in 2002/06. Forsberg's value in WAR in less than what we lost in the Rebuild Draft Bust. We lost not one, not two, we lost the equivalent of three players of Forsberg caliber. Not to say we got some non-zero return for Forsberg. You see the picture? The Big Rebuild Bust is the worst thing we had in Ovi era by a country mile.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Imagine what All-Star roster Caps and Ovechkin could have in 2010, if we could draft in 2002-06 at least as good as we did from 2007 to 2019? We could see a 80 goal season for Ovi and a SC at the end of it.

 

[itsjustsurvival]

Imagine coming to a thread about the current offseason (which there is already a ton to complain about) and seeing people complaining about the Capitals ten years ago.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

All we need now is GMGM to log in on a “burner” account to argue.

 

[hb13xchamps]

You would think so. I would have to guess that minor league sports remain unlikely in the US at this point

Off the top of my head I can think of Fever, Vanecek, AA and AJF as guys who could possibly be loaned overseas. Fever is probably the least likely of the bunch given he probably is a lock to make the Caps opening night roster

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

I guess the point is what?

They missed on some picks almost 20yrs ago?

McPhee screwed up his time here?

What point are we trying to make, that wasnt already made over the last 10yrs?

It is important to name things. You see how it was hard to say evident things? I'am not so sure, it was done for good before. It is not like everyone agree in a heartbet. It was the opposit. We have serious topic here.

 

[txpd]

so........

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I guess the point is what?

They missed on some picks almost 20yrs ago?

McPhee screwed up his time here?

What point are we trying to make, that wasnt already made over the last 10yrs?

Stern fan? “The Benji vortex”......that’s what we’re in here....

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

You got 50% of the idea. The second half is even easier: we did extremly bad in that rebuild years.

Are we not literally the winningest team of the last 10 years? What are you going on about?

3 President Trophies
10 Divisional titles since Ovechkin vs. 3 in our all time history before him
1 Stanley Cup


Literally the third winningest decade for any franchise in NHL history.

Caps Finish with Most Wins in 2010s, Record Third-Most Wins in Any Decade

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I like that Francais, who joined this board 5 months after our first Cup win comes here frequently to tell us that we're trolls and not real fans.

It's fun.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

Hockey was kinda in a rut before the 2004 lockout for all teams.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

so........

We were talking about Jeff Schultz, how bad he was as a Mike Green pair. I remarked that the real problem was not Jeff but a whole part of the Rebuild years. And then I received usual senseless remarks and then I defended myself and my point of view with factual arguments.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Are we not literally the winningest team of the last 10 years? What are you going on about?

3 President Trophies
10 Divisional titles since Ovechkin vs. 3 in our all time history before him
1 Stanley Cup


Literally the third winningest decade for any franchise in NHL history.

Caps Finish with Most Wins in 2010s, Record Third-Most Wins in Any Decade

It could be much MORE. You cannot understand that. See?

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

I like that Francais, who joined this board 5 months after our first Cup win comes here frequently to tell us that we're trolls and not real fans.

It's fun.

There is no contradiction. I am talking about you.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Hockey was kinda in a rut before the 2004 lockout for all teams.

Transformative era in the style of hockey, it makes sense to have a bunch of pylons from a bygone era clogging up your developmental system when half of them were drafted in a different era. Guys like Djoos would never have gotten a serious look in the early to mid-2000s, Jeff Schultz probably would have had a better thought of career had he been born a bit earlier. I think a lot of teams struggled to cleanse the system so to speak at that time. You pick any random roster in 2006 and it's loaded with absolute plugs in the bottom 6 and lower defensive pairings that were leftovers from drafting for that style. The dead puck era maybe saw a drop in scoring, but it still had the same shitty roster philosophy from those 1980s eras.

We should be grateful that we actually get to watch palatable hockey played with bottom 6 hockey.