Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 1

[francaisvolantsparis]

*Scorching hot take alert!*

For the folks keeping track at home that need to keep up:
1) Lars Eller sucks and is ECHL caliber
2) Jonas Siegenthaler is an ECHL player
3) Kuznetsov and Ovehckin are the best PKers on the team
4) Nick Backstrom's 23 points in 20 games during the SC run is equivalent to John Carlson going -11 while the Caps flame out in the first round
5) The front office ruined Ovechkin's chances at an early SC, not because they couldn't field a competitive defense, but because they "wasted" 1st round draft picks.
6) Clearly you need to devise a formula to build a SC winning defense!
7) Nic Dowd is better at ES than Connor McDavid
8) Travis Boyd is better than Nick Backstrom

And that's only what I can think of off the top of my head

It is ~95% correct. You can add:

9) LuJo will never play 10 straight NHL games
10) Feherhary and Samsonov are future NHL HHoFs
11) Faceoffs and Penalty kill philia is a joke
12) Holtby is a bad goalie
13) Eller cannot pass the puck he destroys his linemates
14) 'Kempny is broken' theory is a joke
15) Vanecek and Copley are average AHL goaltenders
16) Panic is a top6 NHL forward

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Plz be a troll plz be a troll plz be a troll.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

Could you post on the Pens board with those hot takes?

 

[filinski77]

Fun thought, any interest in going after Laine? This might get it done?
2020 1st
2021 1st
Oshie
Prospect

I don't mind moving two 1sts for a player that has that much potential. Gives opposing teams an absolute headache to matchup against with Ovechkin and Laine on different lines. Hell of a top-6

Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Wilson
Vrana-Backstrom-Laine

I actually like this a lot.

We want this team to be competitors for the next 3-4 years as we run out the last good years of Ovi/Backstrom/Carlson. Oshie will be 34 around the start of next season, and in the last 3/4/5 years of his contract I'm confident he won't be the player he is today (still love him though).

Look at our history of 1st rounders, as much as we want McMichael and Alexeyev to succeed (I hope they do), we have ZERO of our first rounders playing in the NHL from the last 4 drafts (pretty close to 5 considering how little games Samsonov played this year). We could just as easily not get an NHL player in the next 4 drafts from our 1st rounder until it's over 4 years out, and we are in full rebuild mode.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Laine is like another Ovie not sure we could use both on the PP1 and

He has 1 year left on his contract at 7.5mill and will likely be a 9 million dollar player after

He’s still only 22 so I have no idea why they would trade him

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

I actually like this a lot.

We want this team to be competitors for the next 3-4 years as we run out the last good years of Ovi/Backstrom/Carlson. Oshie will be 34 around the start of next season, and in the last 3/4/5 years of his contract I'm confident he won't be the player he is today (still love him though).

Look at our history of 1st rounders, as much as we want McMichael and Alexeyev to succeed (I hope they do), we have ZERO of our first rounders playing in the NHL from the last 4 drafts (pretty close to 5 considering how little games Samsonov played this year). We could just as easily not get an NHL player in the next 4 drafts from our 1st rounder until it's over 4 years out, and we are in full rebuild mode.

You say smart things. But Ovechkin will be a top6 force until he is ~44-46 not 40.

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

We did it with Orpik, he was traded and then brought back. Holtby is not Backstrom and both of them are not Ovechkin. it's been years Backstrom has not played with Ovechkin on the same line. Ovechkin does not need him. It is not like someone didn't asked to trade Kuznetsov multiple time. We are SC champions because of Kuznetsov and Ovechkin, not Backstrom. Going back to Holtby. Why should we bring other players to the discussion, huh? It was a wrong decision to keep Holtby. It was clear from the beginning.

 

[txpd]

 

[bur and 666 others]

It is ~95% correct. You can add:

9) LuJo will never play 10 straight NHL games
10) Feherhary and Samsonov are future NHL HHoFs
11) Faceoffs and Penalty kill philia is a joke
12) Holtby is a bad goalie
13) Eller cannot pass the puck he destroys his linemates
14) 'Kempny is broken' theory is a joke
15) Vanecek and Copley are average AHL goaltenders
16) Panic is a top6 NHL forward

I don't know what is a deal here, but hope the #10 turns out to be true and asap.

 

[RVACapsFan]

I love the idea of trading our first for a young, talented winger. I wonder if Ehlers from WPG might make more sense than Laine (and be more feasible).

 

[illpucks]

Any chance McMichael can be the next generational player on the Caps?

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Any chance McMichael can be the next generational player on the Caps?

He was a late 1st rounder. He’s a nice prospect but let’s stop with this generational talk.

 

[illpucks]

He was a late 1st rounder. He’s a nice prospect but let’s stop with this generational talk.

He has 102 points in 54 games in the OHL.

McDavid is the best in the NHL and he posted

47

44

76

120

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So less than McDavid but very promising numbers. I don't know how he can be discounted.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

He has 102 points in 54 games in the OHL.

McDavid is the best in the NHL and he posted

47

44

76

120

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So less than McDavid but very promising numbers. I don't know how he can be discounted.

Sorry Generational means players like Ovechkin, Kane, and Crosby...

 

[Roshi]

He has 102 points in 54 games in the OHL.

McDavid is the best in the NHL and he posted

47

44

76

120

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So less than McDavid but very promising numbers. I don't know how he can be discounted.

Marco Rossi scored 120p in 56 games. I still discount him for not being McDavid. Can I do that?

Also DeBrincat, Labanc, Dvorak, Strome, Marner, Connor Brown had more points in OHL. Good players all, some of them great. Not generational.

Sgarbossa had 102 points.

Just saying I wouldnt jump on making "generational" conclusions from OHL point totals.

 

[illpucks]

Marco Rossi scored 120p in 56 games. I still discount him for not being McDavid. Can I do that?

Also DeBrincat, Labanc, Dvorak, Strome, Marner, Connor Brown had more points in OHL. Good players all, some of them great. Not generational.

Sgarbossa had 102 points.

Just saying I wouldnt jump on making "generational" conclusions from OHL point totals.

How about Auston Matthews level, is it possible for McMichael to be a Matthews level talent?

 

[illpucks]

Sorry Generational means players like Ovechkin, Kane, and Crosby...

I meant a Matthews level talent, if that is possible from McMichael.

 

[trick9]

Oshie sucked this playoffs? Backstrom had 5 goals and 8pts v Carolina. Was Vrana with Kuzy? I forget.

Backstrom played with Ovechkin year ago, not Vrana.

Oshie scored 2 goals in Game 1, both on the PP. 0 ES points in the series.

 

[trick9]

He has 102 points in 54 games in the OHL.

McDavid is the best in the NHL and he posted

47

44

76

120

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So less than McDavid but very promising numbers. I don't know how he can be discounted.

McDavid was a PPG player the year after he was drafted. If they sent him back to Juniors for his D+1 season what do you think his point totals would have looked like? 150? 200?

We don't need him to become a McDavid. If he becomes a 2C who provides offense and is an constant goal threat that would be perfect.

 

[illpucks]

Marco Rossi scored 120p in 56 games. I still discount him for not being McDavid. Can I do that?

Also DeBrincat, Labanc, Dvorak, Strome, Marner, Connor Brown had more points in OHL. Good players all, some of them great. Not generational.

Sgarbossa had 102 points.

Just saying I wouldnt jump on making "generational" conclusions from OHL point totals.

Wow....wtf happened to Sgarbossa???
52 pts OHL season 2
82 points OHL season 3
102 points OHL season 4

Then 8 seasons in the NHL and a total of 10 NHL points...???? WTF???

 

[Hivemind]

He has 102 points in 54 games in the OHL.

McDavid is the best in the NHL and he posted

47

44

76

120

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So less than McDavid but very promising numbers. I don't know how he can be discounted.

McDavid posted 120 points in 47 games (2.55 points/game, 1st in the OHL by a mile) in his draft year (17-18 years old).

McMichael posted 106 points in 52 games (1.96 points/game, 3rd in the OHL) in his draft + 1 year (18-19 years old).

When McDavid was McMichael's age, he was already a PPG+ player in the NHL.

Quite a few players pop off in their D+1 season in juniors. McMichael is far from a rare specimen in that regard. Nic Robertson (Toronto's 2nd rounder in 2019) had 1.87 points/game and led the OHL with 55 goals in only 46 games this season. The high end comparables from recent OHL seasons with similar D+1 campaigns would be people like Dylan Strome, Travis Konecny, and Mitch Marner. That's good company for a top end estimate, but still optimistic. Taylor Raddysh (Tampa's 2nd rounder in 2016) put up 109 points in 58 games in his D+1 season in the OHL, and he hasn't even cracked the NHL yet. Adam Brooks put up 120 and then 130 points in his 18-19 and 19-20 year old seasons in the WHL (before finally being taken by the Leafs in his final season of draft eligibility) and has a whopping 3 assists in 7 NHL games so far. Ty Rattie put up 121 points in 69 WHL games in his D+1 season, and he's in the KHL now.

McMichael is much better compared to someone like Morgan Frost than he is to Connor McMichael.

 

[Hivemind]

Wow....wtf happened to Sgarbossa???
52 pts OHL season 2
82 points OHL season 3
102 points OHL season 4

Then 8 seasons in the NHL and a total of 10 NHL points...???? WTF???

It's almost as if OHL point totals are far from a guarantee that a player can operate at the NHL level...

 

[illpucks]

McDavid posted 120 points in 47 games (2.55 points/game, 1st in the OHL by a mile) in his draft year (17-18 years old).

McMichael posted 106 points in 52 games (1.96 points/game, 3rd in the OHL) in his draft + 1 year (18-19 years old).

When McDavid was McMichael's age, he was already a PPG+ player in the NHL.

Quite a few players pop off in their D+1 season in juniors. McMichael is far from a rare specimen in that regard. Nic Robertson (Toronto's 2nd rounder in 2019) had 1.87 points/game and led the OHL with 55 goals in only 46 games this season. The high end comparables from recent OHL seasons with similar D+1 campaigns would be people like Dylan Strome, Travis Konecny, and Mitch Marner. That's good company for a top end estimate, but still optimistic. Taylor Raddysh (Tampa's 2nd rounder in 2016) put up 109 points in 58 games in his D+1 season in the OHL, and he hasn't even cracked the NHL yet. Adam Brooks put up 120 and then 130 points in his 18-19 and 19-20 year old seasons in the WHL (before finally being taken by the Leafs in his final season of draft eligibility) and has a whopping 3 assists in 7 NHL games so far. Ty Rattie put up 121 points in 69 WHL games in his D+1 season, and he's in the KHL now.

McMichael is much better compared to someone like Morgan Frost than he is to Connor McMichael.

That's interesting. I wonder why not. There was some talk that McMicheal could have played with the Backstrom injury in the playoffs and personally I wanted to see it. I think they should have gave him sheltered minutes at 4C and seen how he did. Sens gave Mark Stone sheltered minutes way back in the playoffs for his first NHL game and he's now doing very well in the NHL.

 

[HecticGlow]

I think it raises an interesting question though as to whether McMichael will grow and develop more in a leading OHL role next year, versus a sheltered role in the NHL. Getting a young guy to keep doing what he’s doing well, against increasingly younger and less skilled/developed competitors, isn’t necessarily going to prepare him for playing against hardened men in the NHL. I don’t see what you lose by putting in him in a sheltered 3rd/4th line role for 10 games and see how he does.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I think it raises an interesting question though as to whether McMichael will grow and develop more in a leading OHL role next year, versus a sheltered role in the NHL. Getting a young guy to keep doing what he’s doing well, against increasingly younger and less skilled/developed competitors, isn’t necessarily going to prepare him for playing against hardened men in the NHL. I don’t see what you lose by putting in him in a sheltered 3rd/4th line role for 10 games and see how he does.

This is assuming JR hockey has a season. He might have to play elsewhere to get ice time.