Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 1

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Found it interesting the NBC sports broadcast kept trying to say last night's game could be the last for Chara. I'll admit I don't know if he has fallen off a cliff or not but if he signs for less than his current salary and is willing to leave Boston I think it should be explored. That's assuming he even plays obviously.
 

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Adam Larsson at 15 on TSN's trade bait board. They're not getting Taylor Hall back but that's a player whose salary would slot in pretty well for the Caps. Only one year left but that's roughly what they need at RD the next few years.

My thoughts are similar. Put him behind Carlson and forget about him.

I also wonder about giving Dillon $$$ - physical defensive defensemen aren't a great bet on contracts with term.
 

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Hearing some rumors that Max Domi wants out of Montreal. He's an RFA, so we'd have to trade for his rights, but how would you guys feel about giving up Vrana for him?
 

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My thoughts are similar. Put him behind Carlson and forget about him.
The biggest concern would be durability. He's not altogether ideal but brings more size to the table than Jensen and perhaps a sliver of remaining upside. He's not as fast as Jensen and isn't dynamic but at the right price it would be sensible It's more along the lines of a Niskanen and I'd wager that's what they're after. Ethan Bear is another interesting one from Edmonton if they're looking to pave the way for Bouchard & Broberg. He's coming off of his ELC and may possess longer-term value at 2RD. Plus, he's from Regina. That's more of a developmental target but some targeted youth wouldn't be the worst idea. I'd prefer that to short-sightedly going with vets unless there are prevailing secondary factors. They are win-now but should also be sensible in that vets aren't always the best option. There are trade-offs to be made in opting for reliability over upside or youthful engagement.

Hamonic, Tanev, TVR or Bogosian in UFA could also roughly fit. Bogosian in a good situation now looks fairly serviceable.

Pass on Domi. Vrana should be worth way more. That's a pretty severe downgrade. Domi was largely invisible for Montreal. Vrana didn't produce either but it would be very difficult to subtract his speed and I'm not sure what exactly Domi brings to the table these days. He may be a good buy low target for someone but I doubt it's the Caps and he also seems a little high maintenance.
 
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The biggest concern would be durability. He's not altogether ideal but brings more size to the table than Jensen and perhaps a sliver of remaining upside. He's not as fast as Jensen and isn't dynamic but at the right price it would be sensible It's more along the lines of a Niskanen and I'd wager that's what they're after. Ethan Bear is another interesting one from Edmonton if they're looking to pave the way for Bouchard & Broberg. He's coming off of his ELC and may possess longer-term value at 2RD. Plus, he's from Regina. That's more of a developmental target but some targeted youth wouldn't be the worst idea. I'd prefer that to short-sightedly going with vets unless there are prevailing secondary factors. They are win-now but should also be sensible in that vets aren't always the best option. There are trade-offs to be made in opting for reliability over upside or youthful engagement.

Hamonic, Tanev, TVR or Bogosian in UFA could also roughly fit. Bogosian in a good situation now looks fairly serviceable.

Pass on Domi. Vrana should be worth way more. That's a pretty severe downgrade. Domi was largely invisible for Montreal. Vrana didn't produce either but it would be very difficult to subtract his speed and I'm not sure what exactly Domi brings to the table these days. He may be a good buy low target for someone but I doubt it's the Caps and he also seems a little high maintenance.

He's capable of near PPG production on a mediocre Montreal, 72 in 82 in 18-19. Really think he'd flourish in the right environment, brings a lot of grit to the table. The only reason I suggest Vrana is because he himself was invisible the last two post seasons. Can't afford to have any passengers on a championship team.
 

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Fun fact about Dillon and Jensen - they rank #3 and #4 in the NHL over the last three seasons in GA/60 on the penalty kill (min. 300 minutes). That's despite both of them spending most of that time on teams with godawful goaltending. Jensen was particularly good this season. His 2.98 GA/60 was the fourth best single season mark (min. 150 minutes) since the '05 lockout.

I don't think it's news for anyone that those guys are good PKers, but it was news to me that they're that good.

Side note: the guy that's #1 over the last three years is Erik Cernak, whose ELC ends this summer and whose team is facing a brutal cap crunch. If the Caps offered him something like 5x4M, the offer sheet compensation would just be the 2021 2nd rounder, and it's hard to imagine the Lightning would be able to match it. Carlson-Cernak-Jensen seems like a pretty solid right side.
 
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Hearing some rumors that Max Domi wants out of Montreal. He's an RFA, so we'd have to trade for his rights, but how would you guys feel about giving up Vrana for him?
He wants out because he doesn't want to play wing and the Habs have Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, and Danault ahead of him at center. So no, not interested in Domi since I like Vrana's upside more and since Domi wouldn't have a place on the roster.

Rumors are that Danault also may want out because he wants to be a top 6 center and he's behind Kotkaniemi and Suzuki. I'd definitely acquire Danault and slide Kuznetsov to wing. Less high on Domi as a center replacement though does offer more of the sandpaper game BMac seems to covet.
 

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He wants out because he doesn't want to play wing and the Habs have Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, and Danault ahead of him at center. So no, not interested in Domi since I like Vrana's upside more and since Domi wouldn't have a place on the roster.

Rumors are that Danault also may want out because he wants to be a top 6 center and he's behind Kotkaniemi and Suzuki. I'd definitely acquire Danault and slide Kuznetsov to wing. Less high on Domi as a center replacement though does offer more of the sandpaper game BMac seems to covet.
I'd definitely acquire Danault and send Eller back to ECHL to MTL.
 

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Found it interesting the NBC sports broadcast kept trying to say last night's game could be the last for Chara. I'll admit I don't know if he has fallen off a cliff or not but if he signs for less than his current salary and is willing to leave Boston I think it should be explored. That's assuming he even plays obviously.

I'd eat my hat if Chara leaves Boston. It's Bruins or retirement for him. And given his play the last couple seasons, hopefully retirement.
 

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Dillon doesn't seem worth the money. He's fine, i guess, but does he bring that much more to the table than a Siegenthaler? $4 million for a shot blocker that takes a lot of penalties and scores 15 points is not good in my opinion. Roll with Kempny/Fehervary/Siegenthaler/ and may mix in some AA.

If both Kempny and Siegenthaler didn't suck buttcheeks in the playoffs, I'd agree. But both did, and Kempny sucked a large portion of the regular season as well. Not sure if it's injury or if 2018 was a mirage, but I'm not counting on a return to form for Kempny and Dillon is a sensible way to mitigate that risk.
 

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He wants out because he doesn't want to play wing and the Habs have Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, and Danault ahead of him at center. So no, not interested in Domi since I like Vrana's upside more and since Domi wouldn't have a place on the roster.

Rumors are that Danault also may want out because he wants to be a top 6 center and he's behind Kotkaniemi and Suzuki. I'd definitely acquire Danault and slide Kuznetsov to wing. Less high on Domi as a center replacement though does offer more of the sandpaper game BMac seems to covet.

I feel like Julien has been grossly mismanaging Domi. How does your top point scorer from the previous year go to centering your 4th line? I dunno, just speculating here and this is a super long shot, but I've always liked Domi since he won the WJC in 2015.
 

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If both Kempny and Siegenthaler didn't suck buttcheeks in the playoffs, I'd agree. But both did, and Kempny sucked a large portion of the regular season as well. Not sure if it's injury or if 2018 was a mirage, but I'm not counting on a return to form for Kempny and Dillon is a sensible way to mitigate that risk.
I'm in no way thrilled with Kempny or Siegenthaler by any means, just don't see how they're that much different than Dillon, who didn't impress me all that much either. Perhaps I could be convinced with some strong underlying stats supporting Dillon's case, but I think it's a good rule to not give term to dmen that don't produce much of anything offensively. Dillon seems to be a good penalty killer, but Siegenthaler can do that just fine, no? I don't really know what else he brings.
 

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I'm in no way thrilled with Kempny or Siegenthaler by any means, just don't see how they're that much different than Dillon, who didn't impress me all that much either. Perhaps I could be convinced with some strong underlying stats supporting Dillon's case, but I think it's a good rule to not give term to dmen that don't produce much of anything offensively. Dillon seems to be a good penalty killer, but Siegenthaler can do that just fine, no? I don't really know what else he brings.

Dillon is a defender and a top penalty killer. Kempny isnt. Dillon is a legit top 4 NHL defenseman with an unusual skill set. Siegenthaler is an inexperienced young penalty killer not ready for prime time otherwise. Combine Kempny and Siegenthaler and you dont get Dillon.
 
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My thoughts are similar. Put him behind Carlson and forget about him.

I also wonder about giving Dillon $$$ - physical defensive defensemen aren't a great bet on contracts with term.
What would the price be for Larsson?
 

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Dillon is a defender and a top penalty killer. Kempny isnt. Dillon is a legit top 4 NHL defenseman with an unusual skill set. Siegenthaler is an inexperienced young penalty killer not ready for prime time otherwise. Combine Kempny and Siegenthaler and you dont get Dillon.
I didn't really see anything that would justify a four year contract for Dillon. I'm not sure what this unusual skillset is that you're referring to, but what I do know is that he led the league in penalties taken, and added a grand total of 1 assist in his 18 games here. I'm not that impressed. That's completely replaceable in my opinion. Not that I'm super impressed by Kempny or Siegenthaler, but don't think any of those guys are making much of difference on a nightly basis so I'd rather roll with the cheap internal options we already control
 

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I didn't really see anything that would justify a four year contract for Dillon. I'm not sure what this unusual skillset is that you're referring to, but what I do know is that he led the league in penalties taken, and added a grand total of 1 assist in his 18 games here. I'm not that impressed. That's completely replaceable in my opinion. Not that I'm super impressed by Kempny or Siegenthaler, but don't think any of those guys are making much of difference on a nightly basis so I'd rather roll with the cheap internal options we already control

Dillon is a quality top 4 defenseman with a physical game the brings the pain where playing like Brooks Orpik is becoming a hard to find d game. The Capitals bring the pain. That is the kind of team that MacLellan has built. I have suggested that the Caps should look for a player like Brodin who is more of what today's game brings but I certainly saw plenty of quality from Dillon starting with punching Malkin in the face.

Part of playoff series hockey is creating fear in the opposition. You didnt stand in front of Holtby or dig for rebounds with Brooks Orpik there unless you were willing to get hurt. Dillon hurts people. Kempny, for instance, creates no fear. He brings no pain.
 

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Dillon is a defender and a top penalty killer. Kempny isnt. Dillon is a legit top 4 NHL defenseman with an unusual skill set. Siegenthaler is an inexperienced young penalty killer not ready for prime time otherwise. Combine Kempny and Siegenthaler and you dont get Dillon.
How can you get something from Siege? He is a zero. Combine Dillon and Siegenthaler and you don’t get Kempny. Sounds about right. Dillon is not a top4 D. He never had a top4 role except the last 1.5 seasons then he was on an atrociously disbalanced SJ defense. He was NEVER given an opportunity to play vs best opposing lines and best players. He is not good defensively and he is not good offensively. He was disappointing on Carlson pair and inexistent on Orlovs pair. Dillon is much closer to Lewington and Siegenthaler than he is to Kempny and Jensen. Penalty killer specialist is an ironic way to say he is good at nothing.
 
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