Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 1

[francaisvolantsparis]

While adding a talent like Pietrangelo is interesting it’s easy to look at the sharks adding Karlson and turning into suck.

Joel Edmundson is exactly what we need. He is young, big, excellent shutdown D, not so expensive, and a SC champion too.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Tanev misses a lot of games. Pass.

 

[um]

While adding a talent like Pietrangelo is interesting it’s easy to look at the sharks adding Karlson and turning into suck.

Karlsson was sucking before signing that contract.

 

[txpd]

@txpd has done a better job than @francaisvolantsparis convincing me not to want to pay Dillon $2M a year

He is making a cap hit of $3.27m and a salary of $3.9m this season. He is 29 years old. I would be pretty surprised if he is killed so bad as a UFA that he gets only $2m. This is why I chose Brodin. He is making $4m and that is likely where Dillon is coming in. As opposed to Kovalchuk, Dillon didnt damage his career with the Capitals

 

[maacoshark]

A defense with Fehervary and Alexayev playing in the same game is awful. Add Siegenthaler to that and who are your top 4 defense? If you think thats better than having players that can make reliable NHL reads, I would differ.

Next season it might be that Fehervary becomes an established NHL player. A good defenseman he will not be yet.

I think the problem with Jensen now isnt so much Jensen but his partner. They need somebody that can produce some offense in that spot. Means it has to be Orlov or someone new. Dillon wont make that work.

I think more and more we will see Orlov and Carlson together next season matched up against opposing first lines with most often Backstrom and Oshie.

Who the 2nd left d is, i dont know

I'm not really high on our dcore. And I'm all for adding established defencemen if we have the cap space. I'm not sure we have the space unless we somehow free up some cap space.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Brodin does make some sense.

I think we may see 2 vet d-men added (one of which will be Dillon, IMO). Then someone in trade.

I think Kempny is gone.

 

[txpd]

I'm not really high on our dcore. And I'm all for adding established defencemen if we have the cap space. I'm not sure we have the space unless we somehow free up some cap space.

MacLellan may have to give some forward cap space to get enough established defense on the ice. Of course, Mac apparantly thought the defense was fine and it was Reirden's fault

 

[maacoshark]

MacLellan may have to give some forward cap space to get enough established defense on the ice. Of course, Mac apparantly thought the defense was fine and it was Reirden's fault

Well I think it was more on the system than the dcore. Defensive play isn't just your defencemen but your forwards as well. And most of our forwards haven't been very responsible defensively since Trotz left.
I think a coach like Trotz could work with this dcore.
And I have no problem giving some of our prospects an opportunity. I think Fehervary could already be a top 4 dman on this roster.
I think our left side is decent. We are very weak on the right side after Carlson, unless they put one of the lefties on the right side. I know they tried Orlov over there but he seemed to struggle on that side. They could try Fehrevary on the right side. Supposedly he can play either side.

 

[maacoshark]

Brodin does make some sense.

I think we may see 2 vet d-men added (one of which will be Dillon, IMO). Then someone in trade.

I think Kempny is gone.

Who do we trade? You would think we would have to trade a forward.

 

[txpd]

Well I think it was more on the system than the dcore. Defensive play isn't just your defencemen but your forwards as well. And most of our forwards haven't been very responsible defensively since Trotz left.
I think a coach like Trotz could work with this dcore.
And I have no problem giving some of our prospects an opportunity. I think Fehervary could already be a top 4 dman on this roster.
I think our left side is decent. We are very weak on the right side after Carlson, unless they put one of the lefties on the right side. I know they tried Orlov over there but he seemed to struggle on that side. They could try Fehrevary on the right side. Supposedly he can play either side.

Reirden was agreed to be a super defenseman coach. He gets a lot of the credit for the position play before he was a head coach. Niskanen's step up and Carlson's step up were not Trotz. Kempny's cup run play and his play the next season before the injury was not Trotz. Lets be fair to Reirden. I am fairly sure the reason they went cheap with Kempny and tried again with Jensen was Reirden's track record.

Fehervary isnt a top 4 defenseman on a competitive team. Rookies and inexperienced defensemen are rarely top 4 good on the defensive side of the game. They can surely impact games if they are offensive players, but not so defensively. Hell, Siegenthaler is a rarity being so young and a penalty kill specialist.

The only way the Caps go into next season with Fehervary in a top 4 spot, is to give him experience and then replace him with a trade deadline acquisition. My view is that wont happen because the Caps need to get it right as early as they can.

 

[txpd]

Brodin does make some sense.

I think we may see 2 vet d-men added (one of which will be Dillon, IMO). Then someone in trade.

I think Kempny is gone.

Not sure how they make 2 veteran D work under the cap. They would have to part with a forward. Would they not?

Brodin/Dillon/X-Jensen
Orlov-Carlson
Siegenthaler-Fehervary

is my guess

 

[Ridley Simon]

Who do we trade? You would think we would have to trade a forward.

Probably someone like Siegenthaler and prospects. Or even salary like Hathaway or Panik, especially if Sprong and McMichael need to get sweaters. If that’s the case, another forward would need to be moved.

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
McMichael - Backstrom - Oshie
Vrana - Eller - Sprong
Panik - Dowd - Hagelin
Boyd/Hershey F


Brodin - Carlson
Dillon - Orlov
Ferhervary - Jensen
Vet D/Hershey D

Samsanov
Vanacek

I like that team, especially if coached by Laviolette

 

[Ridley Simon]

Not sure how they make 2 veteran D work under the cap. They would have to part with a forward. Would they not?

Brodin/Dillon/X-Jensen
Orlov-Carlson
Siegenthaler-Fehervary

is my guess

Something around Siegenthaler, Hathaway, and futures for Brodin.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Probably someone like Siegenthaler and prospects. Or even salary like Hathaway or Panik, especially if Sprong and McMichael need to get sweaters. If that’s the case, another forward would need to be moved.

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
McMichael - Backstrom - Oshie
Vrana - Eller - Sprong
Panik - Dowd - Hagelin
Boyd/Hershey F


Brodin - Carlson
Dillon - Orlov
Ferhervary - Jensen
Vet D/Hershey D

Samsanov
Vanacek

I like that team, especially if coached by Laviolette

McMichael on the second line? Really? Two new victims on the arid Eller-The-Disaster line.

 

[Kalopsia]

Who do we trade? You would think we would have to trade a forward.

I think they'd ask for McMichael. Center is far and away their biggest need.

 

[Ridley Simon]

McMichael on the second line? Really? Two new victims on the arid Eller-The-Disaster line.

we all know your disdain for Eller. But our GM doesn’t share they disdain. I think McMichael would benefit greatly from playing with 2 warriors like Backstrom and Oshie. His speed and vision would compliment really well there. I like Vrana and Sprong to bookend Eller.

that’s a nice top 9 that can do a lot, assuming McMichael is ready.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I think they'd ask for McMichael. Center is far and away their biggest need.

Zero chance they’d trade McMichael for a middle pair D. I like Brodin, but not enough to send our best forward prospect for him.
Leason could easily get dealt, IMO.

Siegenthaler
Hathaway
Leason
pick

 

[Kalopsia]

Zero chance they’d trade McMichael for a middle pair D. I like Brodin, but not enough to send our best forward prospect for him.
Leason could easily get dealt, IMO.

Siegenthaler
Hathaway
Leason
pick

I'm not saying the Caps should do it, just saying that's what they'd want. They don't need depth wingers or 3rd pairing defensemen, they need high-end centers. I think that offer gets turned down without much consideration by the Wild.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I'm not saying the Caps should do it, just saying that's what they'd want. They don't need depth wingers or 3rd pairing defensemen, they need high-end centers. I think that offer gets turned down without much consideration by the Wild.

Dillon returned a 2nd. He’s a comparable player to Brodin. Brodin is better, but not McMichael or a top end prospect better.

Brodin is not worth a high end C prospect. Not even close.

 

[maacoshark]

Probably someone like Siegenthaler and prospects. Or even salary like Hathaway or Panik, especially if Sprong and McMichael need to get sweaters. If that’s the case, another forward would need to be moved.

Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Wilson
McMichael - Backstrom - Oshie
Vrana - Eller - Sprong
Panik - Dowd - Hagelin
Boyd/Hershey F


Brodin - Carlson
Dillon - Orlov
Ferhervary - Jensen
Vet D/Hershey D

Samsanov
Vanacek

I like that team, especially if coached by Laviolette

I'm not liking those forwards very much. Alot of offense only players.

 

[maacoshark]

we all know your disdain for Eller. But our GM doesn’t share they disdain. I think McMichael would benefit greatly from playing with 2 warriors like Backstrom and Oshie. His speed and vision would compliment really well there. I like Vrana and Sprong to bookend Eller.

that’s a nice top 9 that can do a lot, assuming McMichael is ready.

Eller is a hit and miss player. Very inconsistant. He does some things very well. Strong on the puck, good possession guy and good on the pk. But he is prone to making very poor decisions with the puck. It happens way too often.
He isn't the first guy I would ship out though.

 

[maacoshark]

Something around Siegenthaler, Hathaway, and futures for Brodin.

You like Brodin that much?

 

[Ridley Simon]

You like Brodin that much?

I think he’d be a terrific compliment to the top 4....assuming they resign Dillon.

 

[maacoshark]

Reirden was agreed to be a super defenseman coach. He gets a lot of the credit for the position play before he was a head coach. Niskanen's step up and Carlson's step up were not Trotz. Kempny's cup run play and his play the next season before the injury was not Trotz. Lets be fair to Reirden. I am fairly sure the reason they went cheap with Kempny and tried again with Jensen was Reirden's track record.

Fehervary isnt a top 4 defenseman on a competitive team. Rookies and inexperienced defensemen are rarely top 4 good on the defensive side of the game. They can surely impact games if they are offensive players, but not so defensively. Hell, Siegenthaler is a rarity being so young and a penalty kill specialist.

The only way the Caps go into next season with Fehervary in a top 4 spot, is to give him experience and then replace him with a trade deadline acquisition. My view is that wont happen because the Caps need to get it right as early as they can.

So you are saying the play of these players was Reirden and not Trotz? I don't buy it at all.
I think Reirden was a complete bust.
We were a strong defensive team under Trotz. One of those seasons we were the best defensive team in the league. That was all the system Trotz brought in.

 

[maacoshark]

I think he’d be a terrific compliment to the top 4....assuming they resign Dillon.

I have no problem with Brodin. I don't mind him at all.