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MS

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That is easy contact BU and surrounding news. Oh, that's right you can't anymore unless you use the d@rk web. Boston Globe several different places to find info.
Elite Prospects, central scouting others that are pay sites.
Juloevi's scouting report was glowing but the eye test showed no progress and should not have been drafted that high.
Behind Pettersson now. Both have similar scouting reports but Pettersson's game is moving forward against professional players. College hockey is not pro hockey. The cream of college can make a big impact but the rest may take years before seeing NHL ice on anything like regular time.
College is really good for late bloomers but even top players sometimes take years. Gaudette was really good.

Willander is a top 5 defensive prospect in hockey who will walk straight into our NHL lineup when he signs in March/April.

He's the best-skating defensive prospect in hockey and is outstanding defensively. Trying to stat watch this player is like stat watching Brock Faber when he was in the NCAA and thinking he was some sort of middling B prospect.
 

Canucker

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Always liked Cole Sillinger from his draft year, so I'd be pleased if we picked him up...however, it doesn't address the f***ing giant albatross in the room, ie our defense...so I'd hope there was more to this.
 

VanillaCoke

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Hopefully the hoglander is garbage, no value and would clear waivers narrative pushed repeatedly by some is dead, and they're objective enough to sauté some crow..

But more likely will hear how they were actually right again instead though.


In reality hoglander, like other young fast skilled players wuth proven potential, will have value until they're pushing thirty and more washed than mik.
 

bossram

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Hopefully the hoglander is garbage, no value and would clear waivers narrative pushed repeatedly by some is dead, and they're objective enough to sauté some crow..

But more likely will hear how they were actually right again instead though.


In reality hoglander, like other young fast skilled players wuth proven potential, will have value until they're pushing thirty and more washed than mik.
He has value, just not much. People like MS and I saying this will be proven correct.

Garland is a 1st line quality player at 5v5 (gee, where did the people saying he's not a top-six forward go?) and the Canucks couldn't get anyone to trade for him when they were trying to move him. You think Hoglander has more value than Garland?
 

StreetHawk

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The surgery option sucks for Hronek but if he could return for the playoffs in 5 months that would open up a bunch of LTIR possibilities for us on the trade front.
Would need to know for sure that Hronek will return. Otherwise, just treading water swapping Hronek out for whomever they trade for when it comes to playoff and advancing. Were not going super deep with the D they had going into the season.
 

Quinning

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The surgery option sucks for Hronek but if he could return for the playoffs in 5 months that would open up a bunch of LTIR possibilities for us on the trade front.

I'd rather go this way, get a bunch of cap space to bring in another top 4 defenceman, play one or two of the kids to see what we have, and then pull a Vegas cheat move to start the playoffs.

Would need to know for sure that Hronek will return. Otherwise, just treading water swapping Hronek out for whomever they trade for when it comes to playoff and advancing. Were not going super deep with the D they had going into the season.

If all of their forwards plus Demko are in the lineup and healthy, they will have enough firepower to compete with Hronek back and without adding another top 4. Swap in either or.

The real wildcards are Demko and Miller. I don't think they're going anywhere without both of them in the lineup.
 

StreetHawk

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Right now a bunch of questions for the Canucks. Health of Demko. Miller. Timing of return from Hronek. Just asking a lot for everything to align. Something won’t.

May not be in a position to take a swing this season.
 

VanillaCoke

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He has value, just not much. People like MS and I saying this will be proven correct.

Garland is a 1st line quality player at 5v5 (gee, where did the people saying he's not a top-six forward go?) and the Canucks couldn't get anyone to trade for him when they were trying to move him. You think Hoglander has more value than Garland?
Like I said looking forward to hearing how they were actually right again.


Comparing a million dollar 23 yr old to a multi yr five million vet makes no sense, but interesting to see some justify their poor opinions instead of just admit maybe they were incorrect, just like ppl.were on garland and boeser.

Hoglander has more than "not much" value. Ppl saying he'd clear waivers are and always were incorrect.
He'll return something decent and useful, nucks aren't going to have to attach a 1st to hog to get effing Provorov or Lindgren..
 

bossram

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Like I said looking forward to hearing how they were actually right again.


Comparing a million dollar 23 yr old to a multi yr five million vet makes no sense, but interesting to see some justify their poor opinions instead of just admit maybe they were incorrect, just like ppl.were on garland and boeser.

Hoglander has more than "not much" value. Ppl saying he'd clear waivers are and always were incorrect.
He'll return something decent and useful, nucks aren't going to have to attach a 1st to hog to get effing Provorov or Lindgren..
I've never said he would clear waivers.

I always believed that Garland was an excellent player, even when he had "bad" seasons (he didn't). I was one of the few people here that was adamantly against trading him. Even as late as this summer I was arguing against people saying that Garland wasn't a top-six forward!

I was one of, if not the single biggest Boeser booster here when he was having tough seasons. Kept pointing out this guy is a 65 point per 82 game player, and that he's shown a lot of growth in his forechecking and net front play.

I was correct on all fronts there.

The comparison to Garland is instructive. He is (and was) a vastly superior player to Hoglander. But given that he is small, and was perceived as a one-way soft-skilled player (thought not true), he held very little trade value.
 

Vector

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Friedman's interview with them a few minutes ago.

2011 Cup Final
  • 2011 was the best Stanley Cup Final he ever covered
  • Bieksa gave him permission to make fun of him for the 2011 final and Friedman won’t
  • Calls it an incredible series
  • Wants to see a Canadian team win the Stanley Cup “before I get fired”
Hronek
  • Was warned to be careful because anyone that jumps to conclusions on this doesn’t know what they are talking about
  • Canucks & Hronek are working on an exact timeline
  • Teams are much better at allowing players to get 2nd & 3rd opinions; this is what they are doing now
  • Hronek wants to play; he’s trying to determine what is the best course of action so he can return to help the team when it really matters
Hoglander
  • Penguins are one of the teams that are very interested
  • Fits the type of players that the Penguins have been adding; uses Cody Glass and Philip Tomasino as examples
  • His contract extension makes him more attractive to teams
  • Penguins are not the only team interested
  • Canucks management are telling other teams they don’t have to make a trade and won’t be taken advantage of
Minnesota Wild
  • Don’t give up a lot of chances
  • Kaprizov is in the Hart trophy race
  • Good checking team
 
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Vector

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He has value, just not much. People like MS and I saying this will be proven correct.

Garland is a 1st line quality player at 5v5 (gee, where did the people saying he's not a top-six forward go?) and the Canucks couldn't get anyone to trade for him when they were trying to move him. You think Hoglander has more value than Garland?

I think he has more value than Garland had but purely for reasons that have nothing to do with on-ice play. Hoglander makes barely anything this season, no longer a flat-cap world, this crop of GMs have become obsessed with cost control, younger than Garland, and even though Hoglander is small Garland is abnormally small.
 
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bossram

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I think he has more value than Garland had but purely for reasons that have nothing to do with on-ice play. Hoglander makes barely anything this season, no longer a flat-cap world, this crop of GMs have become obsessed with cost control, younger than Garland, and even though Hoglander is small Garland is abnormally small.
I think absent the extension, this argument would be more valid. I think the $3M AAV extension weighs down his value. You can find guys to play bottom-six, sheltered offensive minutes off the scrap heap every offseason.

He wouldn't be getting $3M after this season.
 

Vector

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I think absent the extension, this argument would be more valid. I think the $3M AAV extension weighs down his value. You can find guys to play bottom-six, sheltered offensive minutes off the scrap heap every offseason.

He wouldn't be getting $3M after this season.

I just don't think some of these GMs are thinking through this logically.
 
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vancityluongo

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That part wouldn’t have been true. They wanted Willander but that was a non-starter for the Canucks so there’s no info on if they would have asked for me. The McGroarty for Yager deal would have been comparable.

sorry dude love you and all, but if that's all it took for jiricek, see ya

columbus would've been a big lifestyle upgrade on abbotsford anyways :)
 

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Hoglander
  • Penguins are one of the teams that are very interested
  • Fits the type of players that the Penguins have been adding; uses Cody Glass and Philip Tomasino as examples
  • His contract extension makes him more attractive to teams
  • Penguins are not the only team interested
  • Canucks management are telling other teams they don’t have to make a trade and won’t be taken advantage of
what.
 
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