Post-Game Talk: Dallas 3 - Winnipeg 1

[Mortimer Snerd]

Is it crazy to suggest that Kupari move up to center 13 and 81 and give 55 a break?

He probably has the best faceoff win percentage (didn't look it up), has the best speed and 200 foot game, is a natural Center. Easy enough to fill out the 4th line.

There are two very big unknowns on the team right now. Heinola and Kupari, and I'd like to see what we have in them. ( no, I'm not Finnish ) Just imagine if we have what we need right in house.

I don't think it is crazy. It would have been a couple of weeks ago, when we were winning everything and Scheifele was healthy.

Kupari has some nice tools but I honestly doubt there is a top 6C hiding on our 4th line. But with Scheifele not accomplishing anything right now anyway, what do we have to lose? With skilled wingers Kupari might just translate those good tools to some kind of success.

Or be a little more conservative and try Kupari with Perf and AI. He is already accustomed to AI and Perfetti is smart enough to adapt. That would mean putting Names between KC and Vilardi.

 

[ps241]

I know Stanley hasn't played a ton of NHL games, on account of how he's not very good so he's been benched a lot. But he's a 5 year NHL veteran, and a 7 year pro hockey veteran. Why are they treating him as if he's about to take a big step forward?

He's older now than Chara was when he started becoming the top level D-man people know him as, and Chara was a big outlier in how late he became an elite player.

after the Covid Division year where i thought he was solid, i was willing to hear and be more receptive on his potential. chara was the clear outlier, perhaps a bit closer to oleksiak for example. we're nearing the end of 2024 now, and he hasn't improved or imo been close to that 2021 year in terms of consistency.

iirc it was either last yr or the year prior, on WST Murat mentioned the Jets still view him having top-4 potential. i find sometimes these organizations fixate on a trait or player years after their draft despite it being eons ago. we're probably seeing that still with stanley.

I didn't really mind the Jets' play in yesterday's game or on this road trip. It's been a brutal schedule, they have some banged up players, etc. but they were still competitive.

My main concern is that Arniel has made it very plain that the Jets plan to force Stanley into the top 6 because he's a big body. I don't disagree that the Jets need more size in their D, but Stanley isn't the answer.

What it says to me is that acquiring a big LHD should be near the top of Chevy's priority list. I don't think they can go into the stretch run and playoffs as a true contender with the penalty-prone and sluggish Stanley in their top 6.

Every organization has blind spots. This one has all the ear marks of:

The sunk cost fallacy is the tendency for people to continue an endeavor or course of action even when abandoning it would be more beneficial. Because we have invested our time, energy, or other resources, we feel that it would all have been for nothing if we quit.

Sunk cost fallacy example

You are watching a movie, and after 30 minutes you realize it’s not what you expected. Instead of finding another movie, you convince yourself to continue. You think to yourself that you have already invested half an hour and the whole movie is just an hour and a half. If you quit now, you will have wasted your time, so you decide to stick it out.
As a result, we make irrational or suboptimal decisions.

The sunk cost fallacy can be observed in various contexts, such as business, relationships, and day-to-day decisions.....................or The next Chara

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wow Logan Stanley is even trending on X

I didn't think that anything trended on X (still known as Twitter) anymore.

 

[Jets 31]

Are these the same Sportsnet Super Geniuses that didn't think the Jets were going to make the playoffs despite coming off a 110 point season last year? Maybe take it with a grain of salt.

The simple fact is that this Jets team is not as good as their 15-1 start,, and not as bad as 4-6 over their last 10.

9 of the last 10 have been road games though. If we had lost 9 of our last 10 at home wouldn't you be really concerned? I know i would be.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

9 of the last 10 have been road games though. If we had lost 9 of our last 10 at home wouldn't you be really concerned? I know i would be.

I call it the TSN jinx. When the were at 16-1 there were 4 instead of 1 stories about the Jets on TSN. Now they have fallen off the yare back to having 10 stories about the leafs per day vs 1 about the Jets. Hopefully, this helps right the ship!!
However, I am concerned about this team regressing and not even playing .500 hockey on the road trip.

 

[Jets 31]

Every organization has blind spots. This one has all the ear marks of:

The sunk cost fallacy is the tendency for people to continue an endeavor or course of action even when abandoning it would be more beneficial. Because we have invested our time, energy, or other resources, we feel that it would all have been for nothing if we quit.

Sunk cost fallacy example

You are watching a movie, and after 30 minutes you realize it’s not what you expected. Instead of finding another movie, you convince yourself to continue. You think to yourself that you have already invested half an hour and the whole movie is just an hour and a half. If you quit now, you will have wasted your time, so you decide to stick it out.
As a result, we make irrational or suboptimal decisions.

The sunk cost fallacy can be observed in various contexts, such as business, relationships, and day-to-day decisions.....................or The next Chara

That happened to me with that awful Rock of Ages movie a while ago.

 

[HellebuyckOurSaviour]

Hope we can get back on track now.

I don’t want to see Stanley ever again.

There's only 1 Stanley I want to see, and his last name is spelt CUP

 

[10Ducky10]

I don't think it is crazy. It would have been a couple of weeks ago, when we were winning everything and Scheifele was healthy.

Kupari has some nice tools but I honestly doubt there is a top 6C hiding on our 4th line. But with Scheifele not accomplishing anything right now anyway, what do we have to lose? With skilled wingers Kupari might just translate those good tools to some kind of success.

Or be a little more conservative and try Kupari with Perf and AI. He is already accustomed to AI and Perfetti is smart enough to adapt. That would mean putting Names between KC and Vilardi.

Sit Scheif, move Kup up and dress who? Lambert?
Chibs?
Scheif is still miles better than any replacement.

 

[Jets 31]

I call it the TSN jinx. When the were at 16-1 there were 4 instead of 1 stories about the Jets on TSN. Now they have fallen off the yare back to having 10 stories about the leafs per day vs 1 about the Jets. Hopefully, this helps right the ship!!
However, I am concerned about this team regressing and not even playing .500 hockey on the road trip.

Honestly i think the Jets could have easily won 2 of those games at least but they didn't so i can understand you thinking like that. Let's see how the Jets play during their 4 game home stand coming up in a few games.

 

[LowLefty]

That is exactly what they want, but how long do you give it before you need to look outside the org for that piece?

If we were rebuilding I could see them continuing this, but we want to win and he still isn't close to consistent enough 7 years into his pro career.

They need a stretch where he can stay healthy - and that hasn't happened in awhile.
It doesn't matter what the first 7 yrs looked like - they want too see what he looks like now and he has to stay in the lineup to determine that.
Many won't agree with this take and want to discuss his history - but that's not what the Jets are doing

 

[LowLefty]

Yes, Stan is big and can play somewhat big. He's not very good at it though. It doesn't come naturally to him. He doesn't have that killer instinct. He is more the gentle giant type.

I'm not calling for Tyrell Bauer. You are the one who thinks we need a goon Dman. If we are going to have a goon, lets at least have a good one.

They don't want a goon - they want some beef on the blueline that can also drop the gloves when needed.
Right now, that's Stanley so they are going to play it out - more rope than many would give but it is what it is.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Flying can be a drag, but the flight itself is not a big deal when you consider that everything is handled for them: All their flights are direct. Most were short hops on this trip, around 2 hours. They don't have to wait in check-in, security or customs lines. They don't have to wait around in the terminal to pick up their bags. They don't have to worry about ground transport, hotel arrangements, etc. It's all taken care of. On the plane, off the plane, straight to the hotel.

Also, their longest flight on this trip was going west (Minneapolis to LA - about 4 hours), which is easier than travelling east. On top of that, they're sitting in comfortable, roomy seats with lots of leg room.

It's a bit different than the hassle and stress of dragging the family down to Florida in economy seats with a 3 hour layover connection in Chicago that gets cancelled and your bags don't show up when you eventually make it to Miami and the rental company's computers are down and there's an hour lineup to get your car.

Sure. Still, it is flying every day they don't play and sometimes both playing and flying one day. No days off. No practice. Time zone changes. Some of the travel was East.

 

[ecolad]

Travel is just an excuse to explain the regression to the mean - but the regression is the majority of the explanation.

This - so much this. What I find interesting is to observe how many posters seem completely oblivious to the many markers that suggest the team has enjoyed a short, unsustainable performance - and seemingly expect it to continue throughout the entire season. Expectations get set unrealistically high - a sure recipe for disappointment/heartache.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Sit Scheif, move Kup up and dress who? Lambert?
Chibs?
Scheif is still miles better than any replacement.

AJF or JAD
JAD looked pretty good in TC. AJF would replace Kupari's speed on the 4th line. Both have NHL experience in bottom 6 roles.

Scheif can't take FOs, can't shoot properly and passing may be affected too. Is he really better than any replacement right now? He appears to be trying hard but he isn't accomplishing much, if anything.

 

[John Agar]

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They don't want a goon - they want some beef on the blueline that can also drop the gloves when needed.
Right now, that's Stanley so they are going to play it out - more rope than many would give but it is what it is.

Don't disagree.

I'm not the one who said we needed a goon. I replied to the suggestion with if we need a goon then lets at least have a good one.

Seriously, if the need for a big LHD is that great then go out and find a better one. Doesn't matter if he is only 6'6 or 6'5. Doesn't have to be a top 4 man either. We are just looking to replace Stanley.

BTW, I appreciate that Stan has tried to learn to fill that role. Must have gotten someone to give him a couple of hockey fighting lessons. He sure was bad at it 2-3 years ago. Does OK now.

 

[Jets 31]

They don't want a goon - they want some beef on the blueline that can also drop the gloves when needed.
Right now, that's Stanley so they are going to play it out - more rope than many would give but it is what it is.

They should have kept Dillon but i get what you are saying about Stanley.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

lol at the amount of people that think that traveling every other day back and forth across the continent while playing hockey at the highest level isn't going to have a physical effect because they have high end accommodations

No doubt this IS a very tough road trip. There are several other excuses too. No one of these should excuse a losing streak. But the sum of them is also pretty tough.

The loss to the Kings was bad. 14 SOG. Are you kidding? But the last 2 were close against good teams.

We all knew Jets were not going to finish the season with 69 wins. I just hope they can right the ship for the next game. 4 losses in a row is getting into a rut.

 

[Flair Hay]

They need a stretch where he can stay healthy - and that hasn't happened in awhile.
It doesn't matter what the first 7 yrs looked like - they want too see what he looks like now and he has to stay in the lineup to determine that.
Many won't agree with this take and want to discuss his history - but that's not what the Jets are doing

I do think it matters what the last 7 years look like. They are a big part of what to expect in year 8...

 

[raideralex99]

I still don't understand how Kovacevic was let go since RHD are hard to find and he is 6'5" 223 lb ... I guess he was 2" too short or was it that he was drafted in the 3rd round.
Two former Jets defensmen that could help with toughest on this team.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I still don't understand how Kovacevic was let go since RHD are hard to find and he is 6'5" 223 lb ... I guess he was 2" too short or was it that he was drafted in the 3rd round.
Two former Jets defensmen that could help with toughest on this team.

Yep, but, he is gone and to lament the past is useless.

 

[Jets 31]

I do think it matters what the last 7 years look like. They are a big part of what to expect in year 8...

I totally understand why the Jets were hoping Stanley would turn into a very good player for them but 7 years is a long time , good for making whiskey but a long time to hope a player turns into something.

 

[Inanna]

Flying home for Christmas? Thats a long break.

North south flights are tolerable but its always the east west ones that knock me for a loop.

Flying to Van to spend Christmas with the family. And meet my baby sister's new fiance. Sigh.

The break is longer than I was used to as a student, but the calendar works in our favour this year. Last day of classes is 13th, grades have to be submitted by 18th, and classes resume on the 6th. So I fly out on the 19th and back on the 4th, and I'll wave to Winnipeg from my window seat as I cross over.

I won't extend the debate about flying for us versus flying for hockey players. Suffice to say that while my flight is five and a half hours, it's a much longer day when you factor in taking a cab to the shuttle early enough to ensure it hasn't left, take the shuttle to Pearson (supposedly just 75 min) early enough to negotiate the airport traffic to get to WestJet check-in at least an hour before my flight. Calculating backwards, that's already an 8 hour trip. Assuming the weather cooperates.

Incidentally, while the HFBoards meme is that Winnipeg doesn't have an airport, you don't realize how lucky you are to have one so close to the majority of Manitobans.

 

[Flair Hay]

I totally understand why the Jets were hoping Stanley would turn into a very good player for them but 7 years is a long time , good for making whiskey but a long time to hope a player turns into something.

Hopefully yesterday was a low point for the season and not the norm that has been too familiar over the last few years

 

[Inanna]

Hankering for Hagens!

More like hankering for the Haagan-Dazs.

Rocky Road, if you have it, but I'll take any flavour.