Post-Game Talk: Dallas 3 - Winnipeg 1

[surixon]

Wait, did someone actually say that?

Logan Stanley is 26 YO. He is playing in D+9. He is not going to get better.

The coach did

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'd like to see the team alternate combinations of Miller, Heinola, Stanley, and Fleury to see which are the best options.

Why include Miller in that list? He plays the right side.

I think the rest we know, though Heinola needs to play to finally prove the point, one way or the other.

 

[Inanna]

Almost as if they’re tired from flying across the continent every two days….

I'm flying across the continent once this month, staying in Van for 16 days and then flying back across the continent. It's only a 6 hour flight but it will leave me tired, grouchy, sore back and mess with my internal clock. After two weeks when I've reset to the new time zone, I'll do the return trip to another time.

I don't know how hockey players can travel as much as they do and still perform at such a high level. There's a certain level of acclimatization but even experienced frequent flyers admit that crossing time zones leaves them at less than their best. This is partly why I get so exasperated at the way people dump on the Jets and dismiss the effects of a long road trip as "luxury travel".

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That's more like it. Dramatic!

Have you found your muse?

 

[raideralex99]

Heinola forced to wait 2 years. Gets 2 game "opportunity".

Meanwhile ....... Jets commitment to Stanley has become pathological. If a friend was behaving like that you would hold an intervention.

Weibe on K&R said Heinola played like 6 games in 10 games so the Jets were giving him a rest.
Everyone is mentioning Stanley lack of speed but what bothers me the most is his handling of the puck under pressure ... his passes are bad. There were a couple of bad passes yesterday one that caused the CSV line trapped in the DZ with the Stars having total control for over a minute and almost scored all because of a bad Stanley pass. Seriously any pressure on Stanley he handles the puck like a hot potato.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think the Jets would love for him to play in the A the whole year, we already have a log jam at D so unless 1 or maybe 2 D gets moved that's where he will be.

Barring further injuries.

 

[DRW204]

I'd be a bit cautious on doing a one to one comparison with the trials and tribulations of traveling bw the everyday person vs pro athlete. The latter has access to every modality possible at their finger tips to help replenish and recover and prep em for the next game. Not to mention the differences In our travel experience vs theirs. Id also say years of being in the nhl and traveling they know what to expect and probably have had their body and minds adjust to it too. Then add millions of USD being paid. Not saying it's difficult, just don't think our experience is the same.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Weibe on K&R said Heinola played like 6 games in 10 games so the Jets were giving him a rest.
Everyone is mentioning Stanley lack of speed but what bothers me the most is his handling of the puck under pressure ... his passes are bad. There were a couple of bad passes yesterday one that caused the CSV line trapped in the DZ with the Stars having total control for over a minute and almost scored all because of a bad Stanley pass. Seriously any pressure on Stanley he handles the puck like a hot potato.

Except that Heinola has played only 2 games. If you count his conditioning stint with the Moose, he has played 4 games since TC. He sat for the last 2 games. He hasn't gone through most of this road trip.

Agree. Noted that same pass. Forgot it with the penalties.

I think it is largely his lack of speed that leads to his penalties and also contributes to his bad passes. He just doesn't have the quickness to deal with pressure.

 

[Stumbledore]

I'm flying across the continent once this month, staying in Van for 16 days and then flying back across the continent. It's only a 6 hour flight but it will leave me tired, grouchy, sore back and mess with my internal clock. After two weeks when I've reset to the new time zone, I'll do the return trip to another time.

I don't know how hockey players can travel as much as they do and still perform at such a high level. There's a certain level of acclimatization but even experienced frequent flyers admit that crossing time zones leaves them at less than their best. This is partly why I get so exasperated at the way people dump on the Jets and dismiss the effects of a long road trip as "luxury travel".

Flying home for Christmas? Thats a long break.

North south flights are tolerable but its always the east west ones that knock me for a loop.

 

[raideralex99]

Wow Logan Stanley is even trending on X

 

[voyageur]

Weibe on K&R said Heinola played like 6 games in 10 games so the Jets were giving him a rest.
Everyone is mentioning Stanley lack of speed but what bothers me the most is his handling of the puck under pressure ... his passes are bad. There were a couple of bad passes yesterday one that caused the CSV line trapped in the DZ with the Stars having total control for over a minute and almost scored all because of a bad Stanley pass. Seriously any pressure on Stanley he handles the puck like a hot potato.

Couldn't have been more than 4 games, since his conditioning stint was 2, and he played 2 on the Jets. Maybe he's not healthy either, it's not like any of us know who is playing with what ailment at this time of the year. Coghlan for sure is healthy.

I like that Arniel isn't bothered by outside noise. He knows what the roles and expectations are for the players on the team. He isn't going to be reactionary after one game, though it was nice to see him get animated for the first time after the Josh Morrissey penalty. I think that rallied the team.

It will be interesting to see how many games Ville gets into in December. I'd think half of them would be good conditioning for him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I stand corrected but I called the losing streak!

Not yet you haven't. You called for 4. And started it a game early, IIRC.

Problem with that prediction was not that it was negative. It was that you were so damn specific. Just an 'uh-oh, I smell a losing streak coming up' you would not have received nearly as much backlash.

 

[Gm0ney]

I'm flying across the continent once this month, staying in Van for 16 days and then flying back across the continent. It's only a 6 hour flight but it will leave me tired, grouchy, sore back and mess with my internal clock. After two weeks when I've reset to the new time zone, I'll do the return trip to another time.

I don't know how hockey players can travel as much as they do and still perform at such a high level. There's a certain level of acclimatization but even experienced frequent flyers admit that crossing time zones leaves them at less than their best. This is partly why I get so exasperated at the way people dump on the Jets and dismiss the effects of a long road trip as "luxury travel".

Flying can be a drag, but the flight itself is not a big deal when you consider that everything is handled for them: All their flights are direct. Most were short hops on this trip, around 2 hours. They don't have to wait in check-in, security or customs lines. They don't have to wait around in the terminal to pick up their bags. They don't have to worry about ground transport, hotel arrangements, etc. It's all taken care of. On the plane, off the plane, straight to the hotel.

Also, their longest flight on this trip was going west (Minneapolis to LA - about 4 hours), which is easier than travelling east. On top of that, they're sitting in comfortable, roomy seats with lots of leg room.

It's a bit different than the hassle and stress of dragging the family down to Florida in economy seats with a 3 hour layover connection in Chicago that gets cancelled and your bags don't show up when you eventually make it to Miami and the rental company's computers are down and there's an hour lineup to get your car.

 

[Moloch]

who cares that they are traveling every other day for a month a cross the country and back again while playing hockey at the highest level! they get to sit in comfy seats! seriously you have to be clueless to think that this doesn't have an effect on performance

Personally I feel like a lot of the negativity in this thread is coming from the struggles in the last 10 games rather than the one particular game last night against the Stars.

The Jets were in a tie game in the 3rd last night with a pretty exhausted and banged up crew. It wasn't like they lost in a blowout.

Stanley is taking up most of the oxygen in this thread, and while his penalties didn't help, and his play is what it always is, when Samberg is back personally I think Fleury has passed Stanley, and once they start to give Heinola more games (I saw a post that Heinola was scratched as sort of a "load management" type thing to not overload him coming back from injury), there's a good chance that Heinola passes him as well. That would make him 5th of the LHD's.

The bigger issue IMO is the offense completely drying up. I don't know what our shooting percentage was when the Jets were winning and putting up 5 goals a game, but while it most likely had to come down, the offense now seems to be sputtering.

Connor relies on 55 which is why we're seeing him stagnate a bit, 55 is not playing well

I have no idea what kind of injury Stanley is dealing with right now, but it could be one that is affecting his mobility. I thought he looked like a stronger skater earlier in the year, and you look at that intense Tampa game, he was solid. And people were thinking ok, that's why he is in the lineup. Haven't seen too many games like that since, and it does seem like a regression coming back in.
I don't question wanting him in against the Stars, he got a bit of a cheap shot in on Benn, which I liked. That's the team that ran Helly and scored a goal with his mask knocked off, so we have come to expect the refs to help Dallas out in their batttles with us.

I wish the PK got some credit for how hard they played yesterday, Pionk was really good out there, in his battles and reads.

Stanley may take time to get back to what he is expected to be from the coaches. It's clear bad Stanley might be worse than bad Beaulieu and that's some pretty lofty standards.

Yeah, gotta take the positives with the negatives. PK was great. Close game that easily couldve gone our way. Also, people have been suggesting Pionk has completely regressed without samberg.. and I think that is completely untrue, he had a great game yesterday.

 

[buggs]

That is a bit of hyperbole. A beer level player. Even the worst of them are the best in the world and are better than players in the other leagues.

Sorry I didn't use the I'd have thought it was self evident.

 

[voyageur]

3-6 in last 9


It was too good to be true, hopefully the jets still finish 3rd or 4th in the division as they settle to their natural level

5 shots in the first against LA, 6 against LV and 7 tonight against Dallas, not good enough but it’s a process

I think it's hard to start a tank thread when you are still tied for 1st in the league, but there's hope right?

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Not yet you haven't. You called for 4. And started it a game early, IIRC.

Problem with that prediction was not that it was negative. It was that you were so damn specific. Just an 'uh-oh, I smell a losing streak coming up' you would not have received nearly as much backlash.

True. I did call a 4 gamer starting in Minni. I will know better next time I smell a losing streak. Lt's just hope they can beat St. Lou and Buff!

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I'm flying across the continent once this month, staying in Van for 16 days and then flying back across the continent. It's only a 6 hour flight but it will leave me tired, grouchy, sore back and mess with my internal clock. After two weeks when I've reset to the new time zone, I'll do the return trip to another time.

I don't know how hockey players can travel as much as they do and still perform at such a high level. There's a certain level of acclimatization but even experienced frequent flyers admit that crossing time zones leaves them at less than their best. This is partly why I get so exasperated at the way people dump on the Jets and dismiss the effects of a long road trip as "luxury travel".

I guess the difference is everything is done for them, they have their own plane, they have access to the best medical treatment, do not have to worry about meals, stay in 5 star hotels plus access to whatever else thy need to deal with the stress of traveling. It is part of their job. I think Junior and minor leaguers have it harder than NHL'ers
However, they are only human, which is acknowledged but I think relying on the travel as the reason they are losing is giving them a pass on the real reasons the losses are piling up including player mismanagement( hello logan stanley), injuries, playing injured players( hello scheif) and they are just not as good as the 16-1 record, I am hoping expectations have now been reset and we can hope they make the playoffs as a top 3 team in the division not as a wild card.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Personally I feel like a lot of the negativity in this thread is coming from the struggles in the last 10 games rather than the one particular game last night against the Stars.

The Jets were in a tie game in the 3rd last night with a pretty exhausted and banged up crew. It wasn't like they lost in a blowout.

Stanley is taking up most of the oxygen in this thread, and while his penalties didn't help, and his play is what it always is, when Samberg is back personally I think Fleury has passed Stanley, and once they start to give Heinola more games (I saw a post that Heinola was scratched as sort of a "load management" type thing to not overload him coming back from injury), there's a good chance that Heinola passes him as well. That would make him 5th of the LHD's.

The bigger issue IMO is the offense completely drying up. I don't know what our shooting percentage was when the Jets were winning and putting up 5 goals a game, but while it most likely had to come down, the offense now seems to be sputtering.

I found this article (source is:Top 10 NHL EDGE stats of Jets’ record-breaking start | NHL.com) that sheds light on just how fast the Jets started out of the gates and it certainly was not sustainable:

The Jets led the NHL in total goals (73), a franchise record through their first 16 games. They ranked in the top five of each EDGE goal location category: first in long-range goals (12), tied for second in midrange goals (22) and fifth in high-danger goals (29). Defenseman Dylan Samberg, who mostly plays on the second pair with Neal Pionk, scored all three of his goals from long range (tied for NHL lead).

 

[gojetsgo]

lol at the amount of people that think that traveling every other day back and forth across the continent while playing hockey at the highest level isn't going to have a physical effect because they have high end accommodations

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I am interested to see how Stanley bounces back from this game. I still think the Jets need a goon on defense so Lowry doesn't have to do all the battling for his teammates. And Lowry sure battled harder than anyone this afternoon. I don't know if you need that role in the playoffs as much but to make it through the regular season, Stanley might have to hurt some people. I also said earlier I think Stanley is more of a protected home matchup player, a game like this might make it harder for Arniel to draw him in on the road.

I am not going to go on a Stanley rant, because what I see is that Fleury has been respectable in two difficult road games and on the penalty kill, and that's in an unprotected top 4 role. If he can translate the good things he is doing with Pionk into a 3rd pairing role, both Stanley and Heinola are probably on the outside looking in when Sammy comes back.

The one thing I'll say is that if the PP doesn't score, you have a road trip like this one where the Jets only put up 14 goals in 6 games, and that might catch Chevy's attention, especially with Scheif obviously hurt, that secondary scoring is a need.

I guess the other thing I'll say is I'd sure like to draw Dallas in the playoffs. The way the Jets tuned them and got to Oettinger in Winnipeg, and the way Dallas really struggled to beat this tired Jets team, at the end of a 10 000 km adventure, with two key players out, I think the Jets would beat them in a 7 game series.

IF the Jets need a goon, Stanley is not that. He has tried to become that and he is better at it than he used to be, but he doesn't have the instincts for it. If it is a goon on D that you want, call up Bauer. Much better goon and probably not a lot (if any?) worse defensively.

 

[voyageur]

IF the Jets need a goon, Stanley is not that. He has tried to become that and he is better at it than he used to be, but he doesn't have the instincts for it. If it is a goon on D that you want, call up Bauer. Much better goon and probably not a lot (if any?) worse defensively.

Stanley can play big, let's not lie. He can injure people with one hit, or by falling on them. You get injured your timing is off, and you might have it in practice but game conditioning is another thing. I think that's the biggest reason why Heinola is sitting because game conditioning is something he missed all preseason. Jets don't get as much practice time with heavy schedule, but it's way too early in the season to start panicking. Or calling for Tyrel Bauer. Simon Lundmark would probably be the next callup, if he was healthy.

 

[sipowicz]

I think it's hard to start a tank thread when you are still tied for 1st in the league, but there's hope right?

Hankering for Hagens!

 

[Weezeric]

I'm flying across the continent once this month, staying in Van for 16 days and then flying back across the continent. It's only a 6 hour flight but it will leave me tired, grouchy, sore back and mess with my internal clock. After two weeks when I've reset to the new time zone, I'll do the return trip to another time.

I don't know how hockey players can travel as much as they do and still perform at such a high level. There's a certain level of acclimatization but even experienced frequent flyers admit that crossing time zones leaves them at less than their best. This is partly why I get so exasperated at the way people dump on the Jets and dismiss the effects of a long road trip as "luxury travel".

At least you get to experience one of the worst airports in the world!

 

[JetsFan815]

I'm flying across the continent once this month, staying in Van for 16 days and then flying back across the continent. It's only a 6 hour flight but it will leave me tired, grouchy, sore back and mess with my internal clock. After two weeks when I've reset to the new time zone, I'll do the return trip to another time.

I don't know how hockey players can travel as much as they do and still perform at such a high level. There's a certain level of acclimatization but even experienced frequent flyers admit that crossing time zones leaves them at less than their best. This is partly why I get so exasperated at the way people dump on the Jets and dismiss the effects of a long road trip as "luxury travel".

The Jets are not flying Flair Airlines with no leg room, a screaming crying baby on the next seat, multiple layovers and passengers packed in like sardines like the rest of us plebs. It is more like a 3 hour highway drive with you having the entire back of the SUV to yourself, even comfier than that as they can walk around etc.