Confirmed with Link: Canucks trade Dickinson & 2nd (2024) to Chicago for Riley Stillman

[Vector]

I’m no expert but that’s not the first article I read suggesting this type of deal might happen in order to get under the cap with no LTIR. As far as I understood the argument, it would be an entirely paper exercise so it doesn’t matter who’s healthy or not. The deadline to get under isn’t for the beginning of game 1 and we could make moves after the deadline to actually have a functional roster on our first game.

If this is what is happening I’m sure we’ll see more articles about it soon.

You only accrue if you stay off LTIR. The Canucks can’t get under and stay under while icing a full team.

 

[credulous]

Q: Does the cap space allow you to do maybe something else?
Allvin: Could be *smiles and laughs* We’ll see. You know we have a couple of days here to keep you guys busy.

I also like his response to the weird framing of the waivers question where the reporter says they could have made a waiver claim without giving up a 2nd round pick: “I believe we can still make waiver picks”.

maybe claimed kovacevic? they have (cap) room for him if they want. they'll have way too many dmen once myers and dermott return though

 

[Jyrki]

Save 1.3m in cap for this and next season

Got rid off an abundant forward for a 6/7 D
Can’t say I hat that, a 2nd seems like a reasonable price

The price is fine. Problem is, are we a team that should be moving decent picks for cap relief?

 

[m9]

Was okay with them taking a chance on Dickinson last year but hated the contract signed. Made no sense to give term in that situation. Was discussed by a few of us at the time, got burned and here we are.

So I've said for awhile that I'm not really sold on Rathbone and think he's redundant on this team. A trade like this really makes me question his future here as someone like Stillman is just a better fit as a 3rd pairing guy. I think Hughes/OEL/Dermott/Stillman is a very reasonable left side pending the health of Dermott.

I wonder if Rathbone is the bait now to dump Ferland. You probably get an add back - maybe a 3rd or 4th - so you would partially recoup the pick lost today.

 

[Vector]

I fact checked this and the last season the Canucks didn’t have a Florida panther draftee on the roster at any point was 1997-1998. The next season they trade Bure for Jovo and there’s been a Panther present ever since.

 

[The Stig]

Is he waiver exempt?

 

[Vector]

maybe claimed kovacevic? they have (cap) room for him if they want. they'll have way too many dmen once myers and dermott return though

It’s possible. He’s a guy I’m not opposed to grabbing. Given the way the defense is shaking up, I think it’s more likely they get a forward off waivers.

Karlsson looks like he needs seasoning in the AHL. Boeser and Mikheyev sound like they are close to returning. No reason to park Karlsson in the press box when you can have a waiver claim do that job. Some interesting players like Ruzicka(CAL), Zetterlund(NJ), Koivula(NYI), and Anderson-Dolet(LA) may get waived.

 

[kcunac]

You only accrue if you stay off LTIR. The Canucks can’t get under and stay under while icing a full team.

I’m not pretending to be an expert of have all the answers. All I’m saying is that it seems a reasonable rationale. Maybe there’s another move coming. If this is not the case then why oh why would we move him when clearing cap is the absolute most expensive when we didn’t need to to get compliant?

 

[Vector]

Is he waiver exempt?

Stillman? No.

Waiver exempt players that could be on the roster day 01 are: Kuzmenko, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Aman, Karlsson, and Rathbone.

 

[Vector]

I’m not pretending to be an expert of have all the answers. All I’m saying is that it seems a reasonable rationale. Maybe there’s another move coming. If this is not the case then why oh why would we move him when clearing cap is the absolute most expensive when we didn’t need to to get compliant?

Allvin was certainly being cheeky in his interview today. Kind of hinted that there is something in the works. Also inferred they could be active with waivers.

My theory for a while was they weren’t going to pay the price to move a contract unless they absolutely needed the space to get something else done. Guess we’ll see if I’m right about that.

 

[The Stig]

Stillman? No.

Waiver exempt players that could be on the roster day 01 are: Kuzmenko, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Aman, Karlsson, and Rathbone.

Meh. I doubt he'd get claimed anyway. But his contract is very manageable.

 

[Vector]

Meh. I doubt he'd get claimed anyway. But his contract is very manageable.

It’s definitely one you don’t think twice about burying if someone outperforms him.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Interested to see Stillman, the idea seems to be that he makes us harder to play against, so maybe we'll have something.

Or maybe theirs another shoe to drop here

 

[VanillaCoke]

Feels like this trade makes more sense with a follow up Defenseman waiver claim, either tomorrow morning or the upcoming few days if someone else attainable shakes loose.

 

[hawksrule]

Also, seems like Stillman isn’t just a throw in and it might have actually cost us, maybe the difference between a 2nd and 3rd.

I’ll retain judgement until I see Stillman play. I like that he adds toughness, but I hate giving up a 2nd. So many good players, especially D man, are drafted in the 2nd round

Hawks fan in peace. Stillman’s terrible. He’s okay at dropping the gloves if you’re into that sort of thing, but he mainly puck watches. He’s a bad #7 d. I wouldn’t expect anything more than that.

 

[bobbyb2009]

I really really don't like moving this pick- again. As many of you, I thought this was over and we might actually draft a few players that turn out to be good ELC players for us.

Very frustrated. Mostly, I thought the team was done giving away assets.

 

[mossey3535]

Thank god we moved on from Dickinson.

The price was too steep, but this is the price at the moment. Cap dumps were worth premium assets lately.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Now do Poolman.

 

[4Twenty]

@4Twenty and @pitseleh curious to hear your thoughts as this seems like exactly the type of trade you were hoping for.

I don’t know about exactly what im looking for as I think they need an actual top 4, RHD. But I like the age profile more than Dermott. I like that his cost is fixed for this season and next.


Love that it gets rid of an overpaid vet winger though.


Can’t say I know enough about Stillmsn though, but his dad was good.


Edit* I will say that the price to clear $1.3m seems high. But I’m assuming it’s because they’ve targeted a Dman they like and can develop into more.

It’s kinda like Hamonic for Dermott.

Edit2*
This pick projects to be late if they’re actually close to where they see themselves in 23/24. Sure it could be PK Subban but also most likely it’s another Jonah Gadjovich. Cap space is at a premium.

 

[andora]

Not a fan of the deal…thought Dickinson was a good bounce back candidate…would have rather flogged off Poolman. May have cost less than a 2nd rounder for a team in need of a defenseman.

It would have likely cost two picks for poolman

Yet another second home. Happy I don’t have to watch Dickinson suck but my god, are we ever gonna have MORE picks than less? Seems impossible.

We are are still even for now

i don't think this is actually possible

they can technically get under the cap with a compliant roster but they'd have to immediately put dermott or ferland on ltir to actually ice a team unless all of myers, boeser and mikheyev miraculously recover. once you are in ltir you can't accrue cap space

worse, if you are operating in ltir you need to make space for player bonuses for any callups. since you're presumably demoting podkolzin, hoglander, karlsson and aman to get under the cap podkolzin's cap hit goes up by 850k, hoglander's by 300k and karlsson and aman's by 85k. if you also send down kuzmenko his cap hit goes up by 850k also

they'd have to move out ferland's contract for it to make sense to do this and if they do that then they didn't really need to move out dickinson

So to be clear, i know you cannot accrue space if you are above the ceiling, but you can if you stay below even with a player in ltir?

Can it flip back and forth - if they go above for a week accrual stops, then they get back under and it starts again?


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Re trade: i believe this was a known price for awhile and i like what it does to next off season, gives some more space for anyone worth re-signing rfas wise. I think that is the crux of this deal - i think it has been there for awhile. The timing of it is completely separate as it was dictated by injuries piling up which helped initiate pulling the trigger.

I am sure they knew the cost from chicago, arizona, and any other team that can take a contract on.

I also believe some of what the timing was with was to actually see what dickinson brought into camp - and he brought nothing that showed he was improved and was outplayed by a younger player (a free player by the way ).

 

[clay]

Sick of this team bleeding assets year after year after year to toil in mediocrity.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Hawks fan in peace. Stillman’s terrible. He’s okay at dropping the gloves if you’re into that sort of thing, but he mainly puck watches. He’s a bad #7 d. I wouldn’t expect anything more than that.

Can the Blackhawks stop giving us bad defensemen? First we indirectly get Cam Barker, then we give you guys Forsling for Clendenning, then a pick for Madison Bowey and now you guys give us another awful dman.

 

[RealGudbranson]

this move seems reactionary, which isn’t a sign of good management - I hope there is more to it like some are suggesting.

 

[hawksrule]

Can the Blackhawks stop giving us bad defensemen? First we indirectly get Cam Barker, then we give you guys Forsling for Clendenning, then a pick for Madison Bowey and now you guys give us another awful dman.

At least you didn’t spend a #3oa on Barker or trade Forsling for a broken down deHaan. It’s all perspective.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

How did the analytics get Dickinson so wrong? Or was this just a Loui Eriksson fall from grace.

MS was more or less on the ball with Dickinson, so I'm not sure what the hell you're trying to say here.

He was the beneficiary of having stellar linemates and wasn't really a straw that was stirring the drink. But Benning looked at the 'hockey card stats' and fell in love, without doing any sort of due diligence or digging deeper.

It's amusing that people are mystified as to why Dickinson did not work out, like there wasn't a group of people who had outlined that this was how this was going to go.