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Confirmed with Link: Canucks trade Dickinson & 2nd (2024) to Chicago for Riley Stillman

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Stillman is someone Ive always noticed in a good way whenever we play Chicago, and usually I walk away thinking f*** that guy, so hes probably effective in some way. However if the people who see him all the time and the numbers dont align thats not good, and hopefully Allvin thinks deeper about it than me

The price is meh, but Im more opposed because hes another LD and I dont think he should play above Rathbone
 
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Not happy to have to give up a second rounder to offload a contract but capspace is good even though I don’t understand all of the nuances with LTIR etc.

As for the timing, I reckon they waited to give Dickinson another shot in preseason this year before making a decision. I think a lot of people thought he had a decent chance to bounce back this year to at least be useful but management had seen enough. Injuries may have been another factor
 
MS said:
If he sucks you can mostly bury him.

I remember liking him when he was playing junior in Hamilton a few years ago but I’d be lying if I said I saw many Chicago games last year.
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Yeah, but if you’re burying him then you’re only getting half the cash savings of the Nemeth deal and ~$400k less in cap savings. This is probably a bit cheaper than the Nemeth deal but not a ton, given those differences.
 
Don't think Riley Stillman is an upgrade on Wolanin or Rathbone in terms of moving the puck or any in the skill department.

He does play grittier and will drop the gloves quite willingly. Defensively, always find him standing around too much in the Dzone, but he was playing on Chicago, so sometimes hard to separate player from team.

But this is clearly a cap dump/pick trade.
 
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lol our prospect pool is so bad. No way we should be trading any picks whatsoever.

Sad thing is we could have had 12 and 61 to go along with our 66 and 67.
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Without Miller we probably finish a few spots lower and have the opportunity to draft Schneider and Clarke.
 
To the dude that says the 2nd is nothing . Our last two was Hoglander and Klimovich. Yes, klimovich may be nothing and hoglander isn’t a world beater but both are still nice to have for now.

And what if it turned into Rasmus Andersson? We can’t just trade them all based on the odds. You have to at least draft to hit on some picks.

Jason Robertson was a 2nd in EP’s draft and he is already a ppg before EP.

Dang. Dallas got Heiskanen, oettinger, and robertson in the same draft. Lol that’s why you keep all your picks, just in case you fluke out a lottery.
 
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Yeah, but if you’re burying him then you’re only getting half the cash savings of the Nemeth deal and ~$400k less in cap savings. This is probably a bit cheaper than the Nemeth deal but not a ton, given those differences.
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You can bury all but $225k of the Stillman contract and Nemeth’s cap hit is $150k more than Dickinson’s so if you bury Stillman the difference in cap savings is only $75k.
 
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You can bury all but $225k of the Stillman contract and Nemeth’s cap hit is $150k more than Dickinson’s so if you bury Stillman the difference in cap savings is only $75k.
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Ah, thought it was still a $950k limit for buried contracts.
 
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Lots of stuff out there about the deal, hate giving up picks and really stays on trend for the last 8 years. Scary to think they dealt a 2nd and 3rd for Dickinson. Why not just waive him and save a bit? Dealing 2nd rounders when you’ve been a bad team for 8 years seems counter intuitive.

Stillman is fine. But lots of 3rd pairing guys on waivers. Would have rather just had the space and contract slot. Maybe they see something in him.

Hopefully they have some plan to recover the pick, maybe they don’t plan to resign Schenn because of his age and acquire a pick?
 
shottasasa said:
Not happy to have to give up a second rounder to offload a contract but capspace is good even though I don’t understand all of the nuances with LTIR etc.

As for the timing, I reckon they waited to give Dickinson another shot in preseason this year before making a decision. I think a lot of people thought he had a decent chance to bounce back this year to at least be useful but management had seen enough. Injuries may have been another factor
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And I believe they needed to see enough of Aman before shedding Dickinson.
 
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Pretty sure this is what they are doing.

TLDR: by flipping Dickinson for Stillman they can get under the cap without using LTIR, allowing them to bank cap throughout the season.

‘Even though Ferland will remain on LTIR for the entire season, it would be beneficial to the Canucks to get his contract under the salary cap when they submit their day-one roster.

The rules for LTIR are complicated but by having all of the team’s injured players on the roster at the start of the season, the Canucks could potentially accrue cap space during the season. …..

[after waiving all waiver eligible and Dickinson, Poolman ] That would leave the Canucks still $910,000 over the cap with a 23-man roster.’

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With just one preseason game remaining, the Vancouver Canucks are very close to their final 23-man roster.
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I would expect to see all waiver eligible players waived as well as Poolman (who no one will take), allowing us to get just under the cap without LTIR. This will allow us to accrue cap space during the season, making it possible for us to take on more cap as the season progresses. This makes it possible for us to acquire more salary at the deadline, either to acquire players for the playoffs or help facilitate trades for others for sweeteners at the deadline.

So we will see if this deal ends up helping us later in the season.
 
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kcunac said:
Pretty sure this is what they are doing.

TLDR: by flipping Dickinson for Stillman they can get under the cap without using LTIR, allowing them to bank cap throughout the season.

‘Even though Ferland will remain on LTIR for the entire season, it would be beneficial to the Canucks to get his contract under the salary cap when they submit their day-one roster.

The rules for LTIR are complicated but by having all of the team’s injured players on the roster at the start of the season, the Canucks could potentially accrue cap space during the season. …..

[after waiving all waiver eligible and Dickinson, Poolman ] That would leave the Canucks still $910,000 over the cap with a 23-man roster.’

www.vancouverisawesome.com

The salary cap and LTIR could determine Canucks opening-night roster

With just one preseason game remaining, the Vancouver Canucks are very close to their final 23-man roster.
www.vancouverisawesome.com www.vancouverisawesome.com
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With the way the roster is constructed, and with their injuries, there's no way the Canucks will be able to ice a team without using LTIR. They can, pretty easily, get right below the cap before the send Ferland, and probably Dermott, to LTIR. There are ways (mostly by waiving Poolman and Stillman) for them to create as much as over 3m in LTIR space. The big thing is when Boeser, Mikheyev, and Myers will return.

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The results:
-a minimum roster with no scratches
-Stillman and Poolman waived
-Mikheyev and Boeser are good to go opening night
-4 defencemen at near league minimum
-still over the cap

Now if Myers was healthy, they could get away with this. Would be about 0.64m under the cap.
 
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Damn. Agree that based on current market dynamics this trade is pretty good value. But this trade sucks. I get why management made this trade but back to those aren't we better off keeping the player discussions: are we not just better off keeping Dickinson rather than giving up a 2nd round pick? Stillman is serviceable but don't really see him as an upgrade over anyone we have. Seems like a younger but more expensive Burroughs to me.
 
kcunac said:
I would expect to see all waiver eligible players waived as well as Poolman (who no one will take), allowing us to get just under the cap without LTIR. This will allow us to accrue cap space during the season, making it possible for us to take on more cap as the season progresses. This makes it possible for us to acquire more salary at the deadline, either to acquire players for the playoffs or help facilitate trades for others for sweeteners at the deadline.

So we will see if this deal ends up helping us later in the season.
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i don't think this is actually possible

they can technically get under the cap with a compliant roster but they'd have to immediately put dermott or ferland on ltir to actually ice a team unless all of myers, boeser and mikheyev miraculously recover. once you are in ltir you can't accrue cap space

worse, if you are operating in ltir you need to make space for player bonuses for any callups. since you're presumably demoting podkolzin, hoglander, karlsson and aman to get under the cap podkolzin's cap hit goes up by 850k, hoglander's by 300k and karlsson and aman's by 85k. if you also send down kuzmenko his cap hit goes up by 850k also

they'd have to move out ferland's contract for it to make sense to do this and if they do that then they didn't really need to move out dickinson
 
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Canucks LB said:
Listen to Allvin's interview today, No way he is done.
There is more to this, I don't mind the deal as a whole, Seems decent for both parties, but theres more to this 100%

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Q: Does the cap space allow you to do maybe something else?
Allvin: Could be *smiles and laughs* We’ll see. You know we have a couple of days here to keep you guys busy.

I also like his response to the weird framing of the waivers question where the reporter says they could have made a waiver claim without giving up a 2nd round pick: “I believe we can still make waiver picks”.
 
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With the way the roster is constructed, and with their injuries, there's no way the Canucks will be able to ice a team without using LTIR. They can, pretty easily, get right below the cap before the send Ferland, and probably Dermott, to LTIR. There are ways (mostly by waiving Poolman and Stillman) for them to create as much as over 3m in LTIR space. The big thing is when Boeser, Mikheyev, and Myers will return.

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The results:
-a minimum roster with no scratches
-Stillman and Poolman waived
-Mikheyev and Boeser are good to go opening night
-4 defencemen at near league minimum
-still over the cap

Now if Myers was healthy, they could get away with this. Would be about 0.64m under the cap.
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I’m no expert but that’s not the first article I read suggesting this type of deal might happen in order to get under the cap with no LTIR. As far as I understood the argument, it would be an entirely paper exercise so it doesn’t matter who’s healthy or not. The deadline to get under isn’t for the beginning of game 1 and we could make moves after the deadline to actually have a functional roster on our first game.

If this is what is happening I’m sure we’ll see more articles about it soon.
 
i dont think alvin is done. yes the trade is to save some money but he might try to see if he can ship like ferland to another team even though his contract isnt insured to free up more cap space. maybe find a fwd or another dman on waivers? still a few days away from opening night.
 
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