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Confirmed with Link: Canucks trade Dickinson & 2nd (2024) to Chicago for Riley Stillman

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mriswith said:
It saves 2.375M for two seasons if they decide Stillman isn't worth it and bury him in the minors. They chose to try and make this roster compete now by committing to the aging UFA's on this roster so they have to free up cap space to be able to make moves to get out of bubble purgatory.

Yeah it sucks but this is the team direction they chose. We've got 2-3 years after this season at best before our UFA contracts stink, can't waste time now.
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Math doesn’t work like that. You still need to calculate the NET cost. With Dickenson out it means someone else is in his spot. Whoever that is, deduct that from 2.6M. That’s your savings. That little cap savings to lose a 2nd rounder is absolutely not worth it for where this team is at. Cupboards are less than bare.
 
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pitseleh said:
The timing is weird. If they were open to doing this now, they should have done it in June and planned to do so something with the cap space. Will wait to see if another shoe drops before passing judgment. If this is just about maneuverability during the season it is a bad move.
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Yeah, I’m very curious to see if this is spawned from the nature of the pre-season injuries and difficulties with getting compliant and a desire to have flexibility to pick up someone on waivers or if there’s something else in the works that necessitated this. That’s kind of the crux of my argument in the other thread. No reason to trade an asset just for space and to do it when space is needed.
 
Johnny Canucker said:
Math doesn’t work like that. You still need to calculate the NET cost. With Dickenson out it means someone else is in his spot. Whoever that is, deduct that from 2.6M. That’s your savings. That little cap savings to lose a 2nd rounder is absolutely not worth it for where this team is at. Cupboards are less than bare.
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May as well just say it saves 0 dollars if you're counting his replacements..... the point of the trade is to find a better use for those dollars not invest it in an index fund.
 
Wonder if they see something in Stillman, Rutherford & Allvin have a history of taking a chance on lesser/underperforming D.

Not having to watch Dickinson anymore is great, Aman has clearly outplayed him. I really don't like giving up a 2nd but we could use the help on D.

I dunno, steep price but if Stillman can be a useful regular its not all bad.
 
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dickinson's cap hit wasn't high enough to really make much difference except that the team is cap strapped right now because boeser, myers and mikheyev are all unavailable. losing dickinson now means an extra body on the roster on tuesday

they got forced into this because they couldn't move salary out earlier
 
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I kinda hate this.

Giving a 2nd to get rid of a player who is still useful. Like, if this was the deal to rid ourselves of Poolman, absolutely. Do it. Just get rid of him. But Dickinson can still at least actually play a little bit. That's a steep price.

Getting Stillman is...not really rating for me. Do we really need another fringe LHD? Cool that he can fightpunch, but other than that, is he really any better than the collection of fringe guys we already have? Feels like an overreaction to the Joshua non-action standing up for teammates.

It's not like he's a bare minimum salary either. $1.35M speaks that he's going to be on our roster pretty permanently. It's also really only a $1.2M savings, of which we could've saved $900k just by burying Dickinson and NOT sending a 2nd round pick with him.


I mean, the 2nd is so far into the future that if things don't work out, this regime won't have to care about it. And realistically, we're not seeing anything from that 2nd rounder in 2024 until like...2026-27-28 if ever. But it still stinks to be using assets to get rid of our cap problems by moving NHL players, when the real cap solution is a guy who is currently blowing chunks all over the ice in this preseason game.
 
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mriswith said:
It saves 2.375M for two seasons if they decide Stillman isn't worth it and bury him in the minors. They chose to try and make this roster compete now by committing to the aging UFA's on this roster so they have to free up cap space to be able to make moves to get out of bubble purgatory.

Yeah it sucks but this is the team direction they chose. We've got 2-3 years after this season at best before our UFA contracts stink, can't waste time now.
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I’m not sure the logic follows here: Choosing to compete now does not mean that cap space is the best yield for a 2nd rounder right now. We also don’t know what “now” means, as it pertains to how long the management team will be here.

If you’re a team that refuses to accrue futures, and you’re signing veterans to term, you’re not going to be able leverage cap space to make great gains. Instead, you’re cropping around the corners of the roster. Still middling. Still mediocre.

If they had instead planned to sign the entire core and scorch everything around it to gain futures, then maybe they could have changed their fate. (Edit: Dickinson’s contract you ride out) As is, this is just more of the same of what’s been happening here for years.
 
Sergei Shirokov said:
The other thing is, maybe injuries made this necessary.

Not being able to put guys on LTIR has them in a bind heading out on the road.
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Absolutely appears that played into things. They're in a really tight situation and didn't necessarily have a good way out. We're hardly the only team in a tricky cap situation right now, but so far...we're the only one i see making panic trades to try to buy themselves some room to operate.
 
Peen said:




Guess on top of the salary, these reasons?
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The actual f*** does the GM mean when he says he "thinks" Dermott has a concussion?

Shouldn't he be well apprised of that situation? We're not the Miami Dolphins, are we? Embarrassing thing to admit uncertainty about. Comes across totally amateurish, not even confident in what's going on with the health situations of players on his own roster. Jeeepers.
 
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Unfortunately another second rounder flushed out the door....but that's the price you have to pay for cap relief. Dickinson was another terrible signing by Benning the day it was made.

Know next to nothing about Stillman, but I suspect he ends up on waivers and if he clears to Abby. The Canucks already have a glut of depth, left-shot defenders. So unless he's a clear upgrade on guys like Rathbone, Burroughs, Poolman or Dermott, then what was the point?
 
Bleach Clean said:
I’m not sure the logic follows here: Choosing to compete now does not mean that cap space is the best yield for a 2nd rounder right now. We also don’t know what “now” means, as it pertains to how long the management team will be here.

If you’re a team that refuses to accrue futures, and you’re signing veterans to term, you’re not going to be able leverage cap space to make great gains. Instead, you’re cropping around the corners of the roster. Still middling. Still mediocre.

If they had instead planned to sign the entire core and scorch everything around it to gain futures, then maybe they could have changed their fate. As is, this is just more of the same of what’s been happening here for years.
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I also preferred the keep core/scorched earth of UFA aged players for futures plan for the exact reasons you've laid out but they chose to commit to this pretender roster and so they have to pull a few rabbits out of a hat and they need elbow room to even try.

It might turn out not to be a good move. Maybe they do nothing with it, or follow it up with a poor move. But they need to clear cap to even try and make moves.
 
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biturbo19 said:
Absolutely appears that played into things. They're in a really tight situation and didn't necessarily have a good way out. We're hardly the only team in a tricky cap situation right now, but so far...we're the only one i see making panic trades to try to buy themselves some room to operate.
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I haven't checked the #'s myself, we do have 3 big $$$ guys out though who can't go on LTIR + Dermott's 1.5M. Not sure if other teams are in quite that situation.

Maybe they also see something in Stillman & feel like we need the help with Dermott's future being uncertain (we do need some help).

biturbo19 said:
The actual f*** does the GM mean when he says he "thinks" Dermott has a concussion?
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Allvin is usually pretty guarded with info, maybe just a default way he speaks rather than not knowing or being willing to take chances with Dermott's health.

Just trying to give the benefit of the doubt.
 
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credulous said:
there's no real definitive test for a concussion. if dermott has symptoms but they can't tie it to specific trauma they might not be sure
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Does it matter though? Just say he's out with concussion-like symptoms or something. Don't say you "think" he has a concussion like you're just speculating, playing armchair Doctor.
 
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